Re: [tor-bugs] #25012 [Applications/Tor Browser]: Tor Browser 7.5 doesn't have a Browser/TorBrowser/Docs/sources/versions file

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#25012: Tor Browser 7.5 doesn't have a Browser/TorBrowser/Docs/sources/versions
file
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 Reporter:  boklm |  Owner:  tbb-team
 Type:  defect| Status:  closed
 Priority:  Medium|  Milestone:
Component:  Applications/Tor Browser  |Version:
 Severity:  Normal| Resolution:  wontfix
 Keywords:  tbb-rbm   |  Actual Points:
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Comment (by boklm):

 Replying to [comment:15 gk]:
 >
 > They were available in alpha releases weeks and months before to test
 different configurations and patches. Yet no one came up and filed a bug
 about torbrowser-launcher being broken. The reasons for that might
 manifold but, yes, I think torbrowser-launcher being barely maintained is
 at least one of them and not being any communication about what
 torbrowser-launcher needs and uses is another.

 By the way, if someone wants to add an option to torbrowser-launcher to be
 able to select the alpha channel instead of the stable one, I think this
 would help to detect this kind of issues earlier.

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Re: [tor-bugs] #25012 [Applications/Tor Browser]: Tor Browser 7.5 doesn't have a Browser/TorBrowser/Docs/sources/versions file

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#25012: Tor Browser 7.5 doesn't have a Browser/TorBrowser/Docs/sources/versions
file
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 Reporter:  boklm |  Owner:  tbb-team
 Type:  defect| Status:  closed
 Priority:  Medium|  Milestone:
Component:  Applications/Tor Browser  |Version:
 Severity:  Normal| Resolution:  wontfix
 Keywords:  tbb-rbm   |  Actual Points:
Parent ID:| Points:
 Reviewer:|Sponsor:
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Comment (by gk):

 Replying to [comment:10 cypherpunks]:
 > Replying to [comment:2 gk]:
 > > I am not convinced yet this is a Tor Browser bug. If we don't need a
 versions file (which we apparently don't do) then just adding one because
 torbrowser-launcher depends on it does not make much sense to me.
 Especially as it is barely maintained anymore. I think the much better
 solution would be to get this fixed on torbrowser-launcher's end.
 >
 > With all due respect, gk (and much is due!), the very fact that TBL ever
 needed to be written (and the fact that many people still use it) is
 itself an egregiously longstanding Tor Browser bug.
 >
 > How many Debian developers have worked for Tor over the years without
 getting this fixed? I can think of at least five, but there are probably
 more. Why is it still not possible to apt-get install Tor Browser??! How
 many times has a Tor Browser non-bug broken Micah's hacky solution to
 Tor's failure to package Tor Browser for Debian/Ubuntu/etc? WTH?

 Let me add some thoughts to this comment:

 1) I did not mean to imply that we don't care about a broken Tor Browser
 shipped by torbrowser-launcher, especially if we could have prevented
 that. Quite to the contrary, I am sorry for that. But I think that we
 learned from the versions file being necessary for torbrowser-launcher
 basically with this bug report is at least part of the problem. IIRC all
 of the broken things that we caused for torbrowser-launcher in the past
 did not come over night. They were available in alpha releases weeks and
 months before to test different configurations and patches. Yet no one
 came up and filed a bug about torbrowser-launcher being broken. The
 reasons for that might manifold but, yes, I think torbrowser-launcher
 being barely maintained is at least one of them and not being any
 communication about what torbrowser-launcher needs and uses is another.

 2) Regarding the missing Tor Browser packaging let me add that I'd be
 happy to review and merge (sets) of patches that would make this easier or
 possible at all in the first place. But someone other than us has to step
 up to do the work as we won't do it. What we want to do is getting rid of
 Tor Browser as a Firefox fork: we should *not* be needed to develop such a
 fork in the first place. Getting their privacy stuff right should be the
 priority of browser developers/manufacturers. And, look, we get there
 https://medium.com/read-write-participate/leveraging-tor-technology-in-
 firefox-3e40288995c8 albeit slowly and it took us years with all the
 effort we could manage. But, finally, there is light at the end of the
 tunnel. So, yes, if someone wants to have Tor Browser in Debian, please
 stand up and grab that project, but we will continue to put our efforts
 into making our fork obsolete instead.

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Re: [tor-bugs] #25012 [Applications/Tor Browser]: Tor Browser 7.5 doesn't have a Browser/TorBrowser/Docs/sources/versions file

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#25012: Tor Browser 7.5 doesn't have a Browser/TorBrowser/Docs/sources/versions
file
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 Reporter:  boklm |  Owner:  tbb-team
 Type:  defect| Status:  closed
 Priority:  Medium|  Milestone:
Component:  Applications/Tor Browser  |Version:
 Severity:  Normal| Resolution:  wontfix
 Keywords:  tbb-rbm   |  Actual Points:
Parent ID:| Points:
 Reviewer:|Sponsor:
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Comment (by ToringOnion):

 I can't think of a Linux OS that doesn't allow you to download Tor Browser
 from a package repo. I think the fact that a person had to create the Tor
 Launcher is a defect in itself.

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Re: [tor-bugs] #25012 [Applications/Tor Browser]: Tor Browser 7.5 doesn't have a Browser/TorBrowser/Docs/sources/versions file

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#25012: Tor Browser 7.5 doesn't have a Browser/TorBrowser/Docs/sources/versions
file
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 Reporter:  boklm |  Owner:  tbb-team
 Type:  defect| Status:  closed
 Priority:  Medium|  Milestone:
Component:  Applications/Tor Browser  |Version:
 Severity:  Normal| Resolution:  wontfix
 Keywords:  tbb-rbm   |  Actual Points:
Parent ID:| Points:
 Reviewer:|Sponsor:
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Comment (by cypherpunks):

 I'm okay with current Tor Browser. I use APT just for Tor, not a browser.
 (just posting my opinion)

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Re: [tor-bugs] #25012 [Applications/Tor Browser]: Tor Browser 7.5 doesn't have a Browser/TorBrowser/Docs/sources/versions file

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#25012: Tor Browser 7.5 doesn't have a Browser/TorBrowser/Docs/sources/versions
file
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 Reporter:  boklm |  Owner:  tbb-team
 Type:  defect| Status:  closed
 Priority:  Medium|  Milestone:
Component:  Applications/Tor Browser  |Version:
 Severity:  Normal| Resolution:  wontfix
 Keywords:  tbb-rbm   |  Actual Points:
Parent ID:| Points:
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Comment (by cypherpunks):

 Hey cpunk, before complaining something you could do something better.
 Have you talked to Debian APT management team? If not, do it.

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Re: [tor-bugs] #25012 [Applications/Tor Browser]: Tor Browser 7.5 doesn't have a Browser/TorBrowser/Docs/sources/versions file

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#25012: Tor Browser 7.5 doesn't have a Browser/TorBrowser/Docs/sources/versions
file
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 Reporter:  boklm |  Owner:  tbb-team
 Type:  defect| Status:  closed
 Priority:  Medium|  Milestone:
Component:  Applications/Tor Browser  |Version:
 Severity:  Normal| Resolution:  wontfix
 Keywords:  tbb-rbm   |  Actual Points:
Parent ID:| Points:
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Comment (by cypherpunks):

 Replying to [comment:10 cypherpunks]:
 > How many Debian developers have worked for Tor over the years without
 getting this fixed? I can think of at least five, but there are probably
 more. Why is it still not possible to apt-get install Tor Browser??! How
 many times has a Tor Browser non-bug broken Micah's hacky solution to
 Tor's failure to package Tor Browser for Debian/Ubuntu/etc? WTH?
 I don't understand why people aren't happy with the portable state of the
 Tor Browser, it's great, and updates via apt-get will make it a nightmare.

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Re: [tor-bugs] #25012 [Applications/Tor Browser]: Tor Browser 7.5 doesn't have a Browser/TorBrowser/Docs/sources/versions file

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#25012: Tor Browser 7.5 doesn't have a Browser/TorBrowser/Docs/sources/versions
file
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 Reporter:  boklm |  Owner:  tbb-team
 Type:  defect| Status:  closed
 Priority:  Medium|  Milestone:
Component:  Applications/Tor Browser  |Version:
 Severity:  Normal| Resolution:  wontfix
 Keywords:  tbb-rbm   |  Actual Points:
Parent ID:| Points:
 Reviewer:|Sponsor:
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Comment (by cypherpunks):

 Replying to [comment:2 gk]:
 > I am not convinced yet this is a Tor Browser bug. If we don't need a
 versions file (which we apparently don't do) then just adding one because
 torbrowser-launcher depends on it does not make much sense to me.
 Especially as it is barely maintained anymore. I think the much better
 solution would be to get this fixed on torbrowser-launcher's end.

 With all due respect, gk (and much is due!), the very fact that TBL ever
 needed to be written (and the fact that many people still use it) is
 itself an egregiously longstanding Tor Browser bug.

 How many Debian developers have worked for Tor over the years without
 getting this fixed? I can think of at least five, but there are probably
 more. Why is it still not possible to apt-get install Tor Browser??! How
 many times has a Tor Browser non-bug broken Micah's hacky solution to
 Tor's failure to package Tor Browser for Debian/Ubuntu/etc? WTF?

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Re: [tor-bugs] #25012 [Applications/Tor Browser]: Tor Browser 7.5 doesn't have a Browser/TorBrowser/Docs/sources/versions file

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#25012: Tor Browser 7.5 doesn't have a Browser/TorBrowser/Docs/sources/versions
file
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 Reporter:  boklm |  Owner:  tbb-team
 Type:  defect| Status:  closed
 Priority:  Medium|  Milestone:
Component:  Applications/Tor Browser  |Version:
 Severity:  Normal| Resolution:  wontfix
 Keywords:  tbb-rbm   |  Actual Points:
Parent ID:| Points:
 Reviewer:|Sponsor:
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Comment (by boklm):

 Replying to [comment:2 gk]:
 > I am not convinced yet this is a Tor Browser bug. If we don't need a
 versions file (which we apparently don't do) then just adding one because
 torbrowser-launcher depends on it does not make much sense to me.
 Especially as it is barely maintained anymore. I think the much better
 solution would be to get this fixed on torbrowser-launcher's end.

 Yes, getting that fixed on torbrowser-launcher's end makes sense,
 especially since adding the versions file to the next version of Tor
 Browser would not fix the issue for the users who have 7.5 installed.

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Re: [tor-bugs] #25012 [Applications/Tor Browser]: Tor Browser 7.5 doesn't have a Browser/TorBrowser/Docs/sources/versions file

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#25012: Tor Browser 7.5 doesn't have a Browser/TorBrowser/Docs/sources/versions
file
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 Reporter:  boklm |  Owner:  tbb-team
 Type:  defect| Status:  closed
 Priority:  Medium|  Milestone:
Component:  Applications/Tor Browser  |Version:
 Severity:  Normal| Resolution:  wontfix
 Keywords:  tbb-rbm   |  Actual Points:
Parent ID:| Points:
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Comment (by yawning):

 Replying to [comment:7 gk]:
 > Well, I think that is a reasonable request in general. I don't think,
 though, that jumping back to including the `versions` file to fix just the
 torbrowser-launcher case is the right thing to do here.

 Indeed.  I went and opened #25020 with a replacement proposal.

 As a side note, the `torbrowser-launcher` "fix" that's proposed looks
 incredibly brittle to me (a more robust kludge would be something like
 extracting `browser.startup.homepage_override.torbrowser.version` from
 `prefs.js`), but the new ticket when implemented will remove the need for
 kludges in the long run.

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Re: [tor-bugs] #25012 [Applications/Tor Browser]: Tor Browser 7.5 doesn't have a Browser/TorBrowser/Docs/sources/versions file

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#25012: Tor Browser 7.5 doesn't have a Browser/TorBrowser/Docs/sources/versions
file
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 Reporter:  boklm |  Owner:  tbb-team
 Type:  defect| Status:  closed
 Priority:  Medium|  Milestone:
Component:  Applications/Tor Browser  |Version:
 Severity:  Normal| Resolution:  wontfix
 Keywords:  tbb-rbm   |  Actual Points:
Parent ID:| Points:
 Reviewer:|Sponsor:
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Comment (by gk):

 Replying to [comment:6 yawning]:
 > Replying to [comment:5 gk]:
 > > It seems there is a fix proposed downstream, good. Let's get the
 problem solved there then.
 >
 > I'm not going to re-open this, but it would be nice if there was an easy
 way to programmatically obtain the version of an installed bundle
 (https://trac.torproject.org/projects/tor/ticket/20792#comment:2 has an
 example of me wishing for such a thing).
 >
 > That said, the context where I wanted is also a barely maintained tool,
 so perhaps this is unimportant.

 Well, I think that is a reasonable request in general. I don't think,
 though, that jumping back to including the `versions` file to fix just the
 torbrowser-launcher case is the right thing to do here.

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Re: [tor-bugs] #25012 [Applications/Tor Browser]: Tor Browser 7.5 doesn't have a Browser/TorBrowser/Docs/sources/versions file

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#25012: Tor Browser 7.5 doesn't have a Browser/TorBrowser/Docs/sources/versions
file
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 Reporter:  boklm |  Owner:  tbb-team
 Type:  defect| Status:  closed
 Priority:  Medium|  Milestone:
Component:  Applications/Tor Browser  |Version:
 Severity:  Normal| Resolution:  wontfix
 Keywords:  tbb-rbm   |  Actual Points:
Parent ID:| Points:
 Reviewer:|Sponsor:
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Comment (by yawning):

 Replying to [comment:5 gk]:
 > It seems there is a fix proposed downstream, good. Let's get the problem
 solved there then.

 I'm not going to re-open this, but it would be nice if there was an easy
 way to programmatically obtain the version of an installed bundle
 (https://trac.torproject.org/projects/tor/ticket/20792#comment:2 has an
 example of me wishing for such a thing).

 That said, the context where I wanted is also a barely maintained tool, so
 perhaps this is unimportant.

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Re: [tor-bugs] #25012 [Applications/Tor Browser]: Tor Browser 7.5 doesn't have a Browser/TorBrowser/Docs/sources/versions file

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#25012: Tor Browser 7.5 doesn't have a Browser/TorBrowser/Docs/sources/versions
file
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 Reporter:  boklm |  Owner:  tbb-team
 Type:  defect| Status:  closed
 Priority:  Medium|  Milestone:
Component:  Applications/Tor Browser  |Version:
 Severity:  Normal| Resolution:  wontfix
 Keywords:  tbb-rbm   |  Actual Points:
Parent ID:| Points:
 Reviewer:|Sponsor:
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Changes (by gk):

 * status:  new => closed
 * resolution:   => wontfix


Comment:

 It seems there is a fix proposed downstream, good. Let's get the problem
 solved there then.

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Re: [tor-bugs] #25012 [Applications/Tor Browser]: Tor Browser 7.5 doesn't have a Browser/TorBrowser/Docs/sources/versions file

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#25012: Tor Browser 7.5 doesn't have a Browser/TorBrowser/Docs/sources/versions
file
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 Reporter:  boklm |  Owner:  tbb-team
 Type:  defect| Status:  new
 Priority:  Medium|  Milestone:
Component:  Applications/Tor Browser  |Version:
 Severity:  Normal| Resolution:
 Keywords:  tbb-rbm   |  Actual Points:
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Changes (by gk):

 * cc: ToringOnion (added)


Comment:

 Resolved #25010 as duplicate.

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Re: [tor-bugs] #25012 [Applications/Tor Browser]: Tor Browser 7.5 doesn't have a Browser/TorBrowser/Docs/sources/versions file

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#25012: Tor Browser 7.5 doesn't have a Browser/TorBrowser/Docs/sources/versions
file
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 Reporter:  boklm |  Owner:  tbb-team
 Type:  defect| Status:  new
 Priority:  Medium|  Milestone:
Component:  Applications/Tor Browser  |Version:
 Severity:  Normal| Resolution:
 Keywords:  tbb-rbm   |  Actual Points:
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Changes (by gk):

 * cc: e-inquirer (added)


Comment:

 Resolved #25015 as duplicate.

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Re: [tor-bugs] #25012 [Applications/Tor Browser]: Tor Browser 7.5 doesn't have a Browser/TorBrowser/Docs/sources/versions file

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#25012: Tor Browser 7.5 doesn't have a Browser/TorBrowser/Docs/sources/versions
file
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 Reporter:  boklm |  Owner:  tbb-team
 Type:  defect| Status:  new
 Priority:  Medium|  Milestone:
Component:  Applications/Tor Browser  |Version:
 Severity:  Normal| Resolution:
 Keywords:  tbb-rbm   |  Actual Points:
Parent ID:| Points:
 Reviewer:|Sponsor:
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Comment (by gk):

 I am not convinced yet this is a Tor Browser bug. If we don't need a
 versions file (which we apparently don't do) then just adding one because
 torbrowser-launcher depends on it does not make much sense to me.
 Especially as it is barely maintained anymore. I think the much better
 solution would be to get this fixed on torbrowser-launcher's end.

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Re: [tor-bugs] #25012 [Applications/Tor Browser]: Tor Browser 7.5 doesn't have a Browser/TorBrowser/Docs/sources/versions file

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#25012: Tor Browser 7.5 doesn't have a Browser/TorBrowser/Docs/sources/versions
file
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 Reporter:  boklm |  Owner:  tbb-team
 Type:  defect| Status:  new
 Priority:  Medium|  Milestone:
Component:  Applications/Tor Browser  |Version:
 Severity:  Normal| Resolution:
 Keywords:  tbb-rbm   |  Actual Points:
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Comment (by boklm):

 https://github.com/micahflee/torbrowser-launcher/issues/306

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