Re: [tor-dev] Using Tor w/o GeoIP
On Jan 23, 2012, at 2:38 AM, Nathan Freitas wrote: > It is legal on Android, but I have always been concerned about that sort > of secondary download from a Tor perspective, in that you would want to > make sure it was downloaded through the Tor network itself, right? > > Maybe I can just create an Orbot-lite version that does not include > privoxy and geoip, etc. I think that is kind of what I meant, tell users they need this other app from the market as well to use geoip features. Users could install it via the market or separately, in the same way they installed orbot in the first place. ___ tor-dev mailing list tor-dev@lists.torproject.org https://lists.torproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/tor-dev
Re: [tor-dev] Using Tor w/o GeoIP
On 01/22/2012 08:14 PM, Sebastian Hahn wrote: > As a client, the geoipdb is only required for specification of nodes by > country code, yes. On relays/bridges, we also use it for statistics. One Thanks for the clarification. > idea for you might be to not include the geoip thing by default at all, > and only when the user requests a feature that requires it do you inform > them that they need to fetch another file. I'm not clear if that's legal > on Android, but if it is, it could be an effective mechanism. It is legal on Android, but I have always been concerned about that sort of secondary download from a Tor perspective, in that you would want to make sure it was downloaded through the Tor network itself, right? Maybe I can just create an Orbot-lite version that does not include privoxy and geoip, etc. > Also we've had plans to make the geoip db a thing the tor client > downloads on demand only, but haven't gotten far with that. If you > wanted to help with that on an 0.2.4 timeframe, that'd probably be > fantastic. It would be easier if that was just part of the native Tor functionality, instead of something tacked on as part of Orbot. I will do what I can, so keep me in the loop. +n8fr8 ___ tor-dev mailing list tor-dev@lists.torproject.org https://lists.torproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/tor-dev
Re: [tor-dev] Using Tor w/o GeoIP
On Jan 20, 2012, at 1:48 AM, Nathan Freitas wrote: > Is it the geoip database only required if you are specifying > Exit/Entrances nodes by country code? > > I am thinking about not fully unpacking it into Android storage, unless > the user activates those option in Orbot. This will save quite a bit of > internal storage space. > > Thanks! > > +n8fr8 As a client, the geoipdb is only required for specification of nodes by country code, yes. On relays/bridges, we also use it for statistics. One idea for you might be to not include the geoip thing by default at all, and only when the user requests a feature that requires it do you inform them that they need to fetch another file. I'm not clear if that's legal on Android, but if it is, it could be an effective mechanism. Also we've had plans to make the geoip db a thing the tor client downloads on demand only, but haven't gotten far with that. If you wanted to help with that on an 0.2.4 timeframe, that'd probably be fantastic. ___ tor-dev mailing list tor-dev@lists.torproject.org https://lists.torproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/tor-dev
Re: [tor-dev] Windows Alternative of torsocks/tsocks ?
On Sun, Jan 22, 2012 at 04:11:03PM -0500, Catalin Patulea wrote: > > On 1/22/12 11:28 AM, Roger Dingledine wrote: > >> See also TorCap2: http://www.virtualventures.ca/~cat/ > >> but I've never succeeded at getting a license statement out of the author. > Roger, I'm sorry if I seemed uncooperative when you asked about the > licensing terms of TorCap2. I can see a reference to a discussion with > you back in 2006, but I no longer have copies of the actual > correspondence, so I don't recall what happened. Great to see that you're still around; and I'm happy to see that torcap2 has a license now! (The correspondence in 2006 was me sending one mail and not getting (or seeing) a response. No worries.) --Roger ___ tor-dev mailing list tor-dev@lists.torproject.org https://lists.torproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/tor-dev
[tor-dev] Windows Alternative of torsocks/tsocks ?
[resending after subscribing to list] Hi Fabio, > On 1/22/12 11:28 AM, Roger Dingledine wrote: >> See also TorCap2: http://www.virtualventures.ca/~cat/ >> but I've never succeeded at getting a license statement out of the author. Roger, I'm sorry if I seemed uncooperative when you asked about the licensing terms of TorCap2. I can see a reference to a discussion with you back in 2006, but I no longer have copies of the actual correspondence, so I don't recall what happened. > Can you confirm whether the TorCap2 is licensed under BSD, GPL or other > opensource license? I have released TorCap2 under the LGPL 3.0 (I have updated the readme and included a license.txt in the zip files). You can use TorCap2 as-is in an application of any license. Any modifications to TorCap2 must be published under the LGPL. > at some Tor related Project we would like to use TorCap2 as a part of an > OpenSource Project whose concept is described at > https://piratenpad.de/p/AnonymousWebApplicationFramework . On a technical note, I doubt that TorCap2 is the right approach here. If you can limit yourself to support Python-only applications to start, then a SOCKS client in Python that implements the same interface as the 'socket' module seems like a much cleaner solution to me. This is now platform-independent, less complex (easier to debug), and gives the Python code the *option* between native sockets and Tor-ified sockets, under the same interface. (maybe you want to check connectivity.. or find the hosts's external IP by fetching a URL.. or talk to hosts on the local network.. etc.) Porting existing Python code would be a matter of search-replacing 'socket' with 'torsocket' (or even just 'import torsocket as socket'). Of course, with this design you would leak network traffic if you spawned a separate process, or if you used a Python native library that directly accesses the OS's socket API. But maybe it's good to start with supporting Python-only applications initially, given the complexity of Win32 API hooking.. Just my $0.02.. Catalin ___ tor-dev mailing list tor-dev@lists.torproject.org https://lists.torproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/tor-dev
Re: [tor-dev] Windows Alternative of torsocks/tsocks ?
On 1/22/12 11:28 AM, Roger Dingledine wrote: > On Sun, Jan 22, 2012 at 10:55:50AM +0100, Fabio Pietrosanti (naif) wrote: >> does anyone know if there is a windows alternative to torsocks/tsocks? > [snip] >> But to make this "library preload" under windows we only found: >> Torcap: http://www.freehaven.net/~aphex/torcap/ >> Freecap: http://www.freecap.ru/eng/ > > See also TorCap2: http://www.virtualventures.ca/~cat/ > but I've never succeeded at getting a license statement out of the author. Hi Catalin Patulea, at some Tor related Project we would like to use TorCap2 as a part of an OpenSource Project whose concept is described at https://piratenpad.de/p/AnonymousWebApplicationFramework . We downloaded the source code of TorCap2 http://www.virtualventures.ca/~cat/code/TorCap2-src.zip It appear that the source code license it's not defined. Can you confirm whether the TorCap2 is licensed under BSD, GPL or other opensource license? In the source-code and in your home-page it's not defined. We hope to ear news from you about which license apply to Torcap2, as it's a tool that can be really helpful if it can be integrated within other opensource project :-) -naif ___ tor-dev mailing list tor-dev@lists.torproject.org https://lists.torproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/tor-dev
Re: [tor-dev] Windows Alternative of torsocks/tsocks ?
On Sun, Jan 22, 2012 at 10:55:50AM +0100, Fabio Pietrosanti (naif) wrote: > does anyone know if there is a windows alternative to torsocks/tsocks? [snip] > But to make this "library preload" under windows we only found: > Torcap: http://www.freehaven.net/~aphex/torcap/ > Freecap: http://www.freecap.ru/eng/ See also TorCap2: http://www.virtualventures.ca/~cat/ but I've never succeeded at getting a license statement out of the author. > Does anyone know if there's something else for win32 that can just run > as a commandline tool to be included in a startup script, handling the > DNS Query and TCP Connect torrifying them? There isn't a good answer to this question, I believe. It might be good to look into what the various openvpn tools use. Or what the open source VM tools use to hook traffic. I haven't seen any versions of those that are broken out into a modular way though. There's a recurring theme where some organization realizes there's no generic open source tool to wrap network syscalls in Windows, so they write one, but it takes way more effort than they anticipated, and by the time they're done they don't release it as open source, and instead try to commercialize it and fail. Goto step 1. You could be the one to break the cycle. :) --Roger ___ tor-dev mailing list tor-dev@lists.torproject.org https://lists.torproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/tor-dev
[tor-dev] Windows Alternative of torsocks/tsocks ?
Hi all, does anyone know if there is a windows alternative to torsocks/tsocks? We sketched down a draft to build up an anonymous web application framework that would allow to build TorHS exposed python webapps on a desktop computer. The draft is available at https://piratenpad.de/p/AnonymousWebApplicationFramework (feel free to modify) The idea is to deliver "GlobaLeaks.exe" (but possibly other software) including Tor, with a web-application framework that include all the functionalities to handle: - Tor Hidden Service exposure - Tor outbound communication For Tor Outbound outbound connections, the idea is to wrap all the application (Python, Tornadoweb, scripts) under Torsocks/tsocks. For Mac OS X / Linux it's easy, we can use torsocks/tsocks: TorSocks: http://code.google.com/p/torsocks/ But to make this "library preload" under windows we only found: Torcap: http://www.freehaven.net/~aphex/torcap/ Freecap: http://www.freecap.ru/eng/ Does anyone know if there's something else for win32 that can just run as a commandline tool to be included in a startup script, handling the DNS Query and TCP Connect torrifying them? -naif ___ tor-dev mailing list tor-dev@lists.torproject.org https://lists.torproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/tor-dev
