Re: [tor-dev] recreated website png diagrams as svg

2013-11-11 Thread Lunar
Justin Findlay:
 Item h under
 
 https://www.torproject.org/getinvolved/volunteer.html.en#OtherCoding
 
 discusses (at least) the images at this page,
 
 https://www.torproject.org/about/overview.html.en
 
 which look as if they're copied from some EFF presentation.  I've
 recreated them as svg.  Svg being a fairly standard vector markup, I
 supposed that it would be more amenable to automatic string
 replacement than a png (I'm not sure what wml is).  Please look them
 over and give me feedback.  If they are ultimately found acceptable,
 you are welcome to use them for the site.  Thanks.

I think they look great. :)

But something has always bothered me with these diagrams: they make it
look like Tor relays are run on everyone's computer. With Justin's
revision, it looks like they are run on laptops. The vast majority of
Tor relays are run on stable servers and most of the traffic flows
through high capacity servers, hosted in datacenters behind high
capacity links. So I think picturing a laptop might be misleading…

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Lunar lu...@torproject.org


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Re: [tor-dev] recreated website png diagrams as svg

2013-11-11 Thread Ximin Luo
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On 11/11/13 14:10, Lunar wrote:
 Justin Findlay:
 Item h under

 https://www.torproject.org/getinvolved/volunteer.html.en#OtherCoding

 discusses (at least) the images at this page,

 https://www.torproject.org/about/overview.html.en

 which look as if they're copied from some EFF presentation.  I've
 recreated them as svg.  Svg being a fairly standard vector markup, I
 supposed that it would be more amenable to automatic string
 replacement than a png (I'm not sure what wml is).  Please look them
 over and give me feedback.  If they are ultimately found acceptable,
 you are welcome to use them for the site.  Thanks.
 
 I think they look great. :)
 
 But something has always bothered me with these diagrams: they make it
 look like Tor relays are run on everyone's computer. With Justin's
 revision, it looks like they are run on laptops. The vast majority of
 Tor relays are run on stable servers and most of the traffic flows
 through high capacity servers, hosted in datacenters behind high
 capacity links. So I think picturing a laptop might be misleading?
 
 

Whilst we're on that topic, labelling the final link from the exit node to the 
destination as unencrypted is unnecessarily scary as well Perhaps we could 
reword it to encrypted if destination service is encrypted and the other 
links to always-encrypted.

X

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Re: [tor-dev] recreated website png diagrams as svg

2013-11-11 Thread Roger Dingledine
On Mon, Nov 11, 2013 at 02:42:24PM +, Ximin Luo wrote:
 Whilst we're on that topic, labelling the final link from the exit node
to the destination as unencrypted is unnecessarily scary as well Perhaps
we could reword it to encrypted if destination service is encrypted
and the other links to always-encrypted.

Great point.

But applying the word 'encrypted' for both Tor's crypto and the horrible
web CA model makes me itch.

How about Encrypted by Tor / Not encrypted by Tor?

With pointers in the text to
https://www.eff.org/pages/tor-and-https
and
https://svn.torproject.org/svn/projects/articles/circumvention-features.html#7

--Roger

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Re: [tor-dev] recreated website png diagrams as svg

2013-11-09 Thread andrew
On Sat, Nov 09, 2013 at 03:16:41AM -0700, jfind...@gmail.com wrote 263K bytes 
in 0 lines about:
: which look as if they're copied from some EFF presentation.  I've
: recreated them as svg.  Svg being a fairly standard vector markup, I
: supposed that it would be more amenable to automatic string
: replacement than a png (I'm not sure what wml is).  Please look them
: over and give me feedback.  If they are ultimately found acceptable,
: you are welcome to use them for the site.  Thanks.

Thanks! These look great. 

They weren't copied from an EFF presentation, they were
made by the EFF for us. You can find the originals inside
https://media.torproject.org/image/official-images/tor_design_archive.zip

I've added them to the site image directory for now.

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Andrew
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