Re: [tor-relays] tor-relays Digest, Vol 35, Issue 25
i don't know, who knows how tor-weather sends the t-shirt e-mail. i took a look at the code and found that the mail is sent after 1464 hours of uptime (=61 days), checking every hour. according to this the downtime due to updates is really not that relevant. i'd guess that there are approx. 3 or 4 updates in the required 2 months, which would cost you an equivalent amount of hours. i don't think that it matters whether you get your mail 3 or 4 hours later. so i think the algorithm is fine. Am 30.12.2013 um 13:00 schrieb tor-relays-requ...@lists.torproject.org: Send tor-relays mailing list submissions to tor-relays@lists.torproject.org To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit https://lists.torproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/tor-relays or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to tor-relays-requ...@lists.torproject.org You can reach the person managing the list at tor-relays-ow...@lists.torproject.org When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than Re: Contents of tor-relays digest... Today's Topics: 1. Re: Tor Weather getting T-shirt email. Problem (Random Tor Node Operator) Von: Random Tor Node Operator t...@unterderbruecke.de Betreff: Aw: [tor-relays] Tor Weather getting T-shirt email. Problem Datum: 30 .Dezember 2013 12:48:16 MEZ An: tor-relays@lists.torproject.org Antwort an: tor-relays@lists.torproject.org Signierter PGP Teil On 12/28/2013 01:26 AM, I wrote: I think two months is a bit short to be rewarded with a t-shirt from donated resources. It makes more sense to extend the time but include the total time running ignoring minor disruptions. I agree with that point, because currently, relay operators have the incentive to not update to the latest Tor version whenever a new version is released, in order to keep the consecutive uptime high. That is probably not in the best interest of Tor. Maybe Tor Weather could look at the flags instead of the consecutive uptime instead. For example, you typically don't lose your Guard or Stable flag due to a reboot. Robert : i noticed a problem with tor weather. I should have recieved a email : -Uptime is nearly 100%, Tor weather needs some updating, however it continues to email plenty of relay operators. The reason you didn't get an email is tor weather didn't see your relay matching the uptime requirement, GET FREE SMILEYS FOR YOUR IM EMAIL - Learn more at http://www.inbox.com/smileys Works with AIM®, MSN® Messenger, Yahoo!® Messenger, ICQ®, Google Talk™ and most webmails ___ tor-relays mailing list tor-relays@lists.torproject.org https://lists.torproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/tor-relays ___ tor-relays mailing list tor-relays@lists.torproject.org https://lists.torproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/tor-relays signature.asc Description: Message signed with OpenPGP using GPGMail ___ tor-relays mailing list tor-relays@lists.torproject.org https://lists.torproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/tor-relays
Re: [tor-relays] tor-relays Digest, Vol 35, Issue 25
On 13-12-30 07:14 AM, Oliver Schönefeld wrote: i don't know, who knows how tor-weather sends the t-shirt e-mail. i took a look at the code and found that the mail is sent after 1464 hours of uptime (=61 days), checking every hour. according to this the downtime due to updates is really not that relevant. i'd guess that there are approx. 3 or 4 updates in the required 2 months, which would cost you an equivalent amount of hours. i don't think that it matters whether you get your mail 3 or 4 hours later. so i think the algorithm is fine. the algorithm could arguably be finetuned but keep in mind that t-shirts and other adcessories have a cost to produce and ship - money that could be going into research, development, legal support, lobbying, network growth etc. maybe thats the *real* reason every Tor client isnt a relay ;) the t-shirt in the mail was a great milestone and i still wear it proudly, but after a couple years and hundreds of dollars i wouldnt mind the occasional bonus appreciation. what about a lottery-like system for recognizing relays, where you get a ticket by relay fingerprint every N months of uptime and there are multiple winners of goodies from http://www.printfection.com/torprojectstore with quantity based on the project's promotion budget? or could that be more appropriately run by a friends of Tor sort of organization that buys stock from the store... signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature ___ tor-relays mailing list tor-relays@lists.torproject.org https://lists.torproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/tor-relays
Re: [tor-relays] Tor Weather getting T-shirt email. Problem
I've run several middle relays for over a year but they keep getting knocked down due to circuit creation storms (on RPIs) or powercuts or updates or some other issue. Yes uptime is important, but 100% is not practical for most relay operators. Also, if you want a shirt so badly, donate to Tor! In fact, I just realised I do want a shirt! Tom On 30 December 2013 11:48, Random Tor Node Operator t...@unterderbruecke.dewrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 12/28/2013 01:26 AM, I wrote: I think two months is a bit short to be rewarded with a t-shirt from donated resources. It makes more sense to extend the time but include the total time running ignoring minor disruptions. I agree with that point, because currently, relay operators have the incentive to not update to the latest Tor version whenever a new version is released, in order to keep the consecutive uptime high. That is probably not in the best interest of Tor. Maybe Tor Weather could look at the flags instead of the consecutive uptime instead. For example, you typically don't lose your Guard or Stable flag due to a reboot. Robert : i noticed a problem with tor weather. I should have recieved a email : -Uptime is nearly 100%, Tor weather needs some updating, however it continues to email plenty of relay operators. The reason you didn't get an email is tor weather didn't see your relay matching the uptime requirement, GET FREE SMILEYS FOR YOUR IM EMAIL - Learn more at http://www.inbox.com/smileys Works with AIM®, MSN® Messenger, Yahoo!® Messenger, ICQ®, Google Talk™ and most webmails ___ tor-relays mailing list tor-relays@lists.torproject.org https://lists.torproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/tor-relays -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.11 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Thunderbird - http://www.enigmail.net/ iQIcBAEBAgAGBQJSwV11AAoJEJe61A/xrcOQbPUP/RtgN4CQSJeUC8ZPt1/r0ryU rc8ssBWHcmZBj513UaIes2HcmL72RMUXaaRtzDxrZR3F0gd7eRLWfBYXZw3M4XF+ 6SFVkesG2Mb5L41rRyqwHlIw/Cj9y9ilH6loQfAWDTaQJVtd9JQ8UQuVzIqTcAfd /ZNJnC4lZGzmH+Iih0nS0hTb+NG9jEN/32pMFc4eh7fHDg4/A6TVKftHeAcjnnv1 eIeY8kOELT3U8Dd2OV0j8tpWbvC/Rz5KYnLA2EMQLdifhSMCtbXv0a3fr58Ph8JS BfFKNFd+YvQNRUSPvkiUrCdjr8btPKYsNb9OPaNjUVkum6K1m8U/+z1OssdiGIxM IDMKmxNpQ6xlmaaWh+KegVtvV/azo51PbMlj2f/8PmqAxeJokFBaHx5V07InaA62 OKtpcLhb3zrJNmLdjp2GQ5tuRJwnXc+B2ulCO1OtjWq3Snl04quMr6GL2IPbnUMB UO8b3uN5tZp9IrO2rDTjlPLYNMLWhlgvaCKNpMDL83s1CzBJIzq2980fdd8KpSlY ThTe2DfLM3uXgbHu77ff1NXLK9UCTQZ9jMhk7UUg9pPYpjeYIZwuB9F7fZN4lr/h cdnFTJlo7P9n2MESfxzAshNg0fzSz3daTj524NnFvkl9W/ew+YqEocPkf/7Wn9xi 2M2t1wC0QeFzdhMkXGqq =IPcb -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ tor-relays mailing list tor-relays@lists.torproject.org https://lists.torproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/tor-relays ___ tor-relays mailing list tor-relays@lists.torproject.org https://lists.torproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/tor-relays
Re: [tor-relays] Tor Weather getting T-shirt email. Problem
I agree there should be another way. I just recently had to start overhttps://atlas.torproject.org/#details/9748228B9BC40C154F74AA9EDFDF698B902C986Fbecause I updated Tor. I don't plan on updating again until two months have passed. Jason On Mon, Dec 30, 2013 at 1:14 PM, Thomas Hand th6...@gmail.com wrote: I've run several middle relays for over a year but they keep getting knocked down due to circuit creation storms (on RPIs) or powercuts or updates or some other issue. Yes uptime is important, but 100% is not practical for most relay operators. Also, if you want a shirt so badly, donate to Tor! In fact, I just realised I do want a shirt! Tom On 30 December 2013 11:48, Random Tor Node Operator t...@unterderbruecke.de wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 12/28/2013 01:26 AM, I wrote: I think two months is a bit short to be rewarded with a t-shirt from donated resources. It makes more sense to extend the time but include the total time running ignoring minor disruptions. I agree with that point, because currently, relay operators have the incentive to not update to the latest Tor version whenever a new version is released, in order to keep the consecutive uptime high. That is probably not in the best interest of Tor. Maybe Tor Weather could look at the flags instead of the consecutive uptime instead. For example, you typically don't lose your Guard or Stable flag due to a reboot. Robert : i noticed a problem with tor weather. I should have recieved a email : -Uptime is nearly 100%, Tor weather needs some updating, however it continues to email plenty of relay operators. The reason you didn't get an email is tor weather didn't see your relay matching the uptime requirement, GET FREE SMILEYS FOR YOUR IM EMAIL - Learn more at http://www.inbox.com/smileys Works with AIM®, MSN® Messenger, Yahoo!® Messenger, ICQ®, Google Talk™ and most webmails ___ tor-relays mailing list tor-relays@lists.torproject.org https://lists.torproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/tor-relays -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.11 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Thunderbird - http://www.enigmail.net/ iQIcBAEBAgAGBQJSwV11AAoJEJe61A/xrcOQbPUP/RtgN4CQSJeUC8ZPt1/r0ryU rc8ssBWHcmZBj513UaIes2HcmL72RMUXaaRtzDxrZR3F0gd7eRLWfBYXZw3M4XF+ 6SFVkesG2Mb5L41rRyqwHlIw/Cj9y9ilH6loQfAWDTaQJVtd9JQ8UQuVzIqTcAfd /ZNJnC4lZGzmH+Iih0nS0hTb+NG9jEN/32pMFc4eh7fHDg4/A6TVKftHeAcjnnv1 eIeY8kOELT3U8Dd2OV0j8tpWbvC/Rz5KYnLA2EMQLdifhSMCtbXv0a3fr58Ph8JS BfFKNFd+YvQNRUSPvkiUrCdjr8btPKYsNb9OPaNjUVkum6K1m8U/+z1OssdiGIxM IDMKmxNpQ6xlmaaWh+KegVtvV/azo51PbMlj2f/8PmqAxeJokFBaHx5V07InaA62 OKtpcLhb3zrJNmLdjp2GQ5tuRJwnXc+B2ulCO1OtjWq3Snl04quMr6GL2IPbnUMB UO8b3uN5tZp9IrO2rDTjlPLYNMLWhlgvaCKNpMDL83s1CzBJIzq2980fdd8KpSlY ThTe2DfLM3uXgbHu77ff1NXLK9UCTQZ9jMhk7UUg9pPYpjeYIZwuB9F7fZN4lr/h cdnFTJlo7P9n2MESfxzAshNg0fzSz3daTj524NnFvkl9W/ew+YqEocPkf/7Wn9xi 2M2t1wC0QeFzdhMkXGqq =IPcb -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ tor-relays mailing list tor-relays@lists.torproject.org https://lists.torproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/tor-relays ___ tor-relays mailing list tor-relays@lists.torproject.org https://lists.torproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/tor-relays ___ tor-relays mailing list tor-relays@lists.torproject.org https://lists.torproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/tor-relays
Re: [tor-relays] Tor Weather getting T-shirt email. Problem
I donated to Tor a few times because I couldn't use Linux, a VPS, or get past the port problems from home. Donations of cash are far better than using volunteers to send a partly profitable t-shirt.After the threshold of my first relay (an exit on a Windows VPS) Tor weather promised a t-shirt which seemed a fair trade. Learning and restarting after daily stoppages of the VPS took much time. The t-shirt was to be symbolic of commitment to Tor ideals in a small way. Donations of time and VPS hire to expand the network are better than cash donations to Tor, I feel.Now after numerous relays and exits, copyright threats and pleadings, and many hours and $ a t-shirt or mug would mean the commitment to the ideals was recognised.Tor Weather hasn't registered it but it should have to ensure encouragement to broaden the network.[IMO] The t-shirt or whatever should be a good design such as Jacob wore at 30c3 rather than the the current one.Robert -Original Message-From: th6...@gmail.comSent: Mon, 30 Dec 2013 18:14:04 +To: tor-relays@lists.torproject.orgSubject: Re: [tor-relays] Tor Weather getting T-shirt email. ProblemI've run several middle relays for over a year but they keep getting knocked down due to circuit creation storms (on RPIs) or powercuts or updates or some other issue. Yes uptime is important, but 100% is not practical for most relay operators. Also, if you want a shirt so badly, donate to Tor! In fact, I just realised I do want a shirt! TomOn 30 December 2013 11:48, Random Tor Node Operator t...@unterderbruecke.de wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 12/28/2013 01:26 AM, I wrote: I think two months is a bit short to be rewarded with a t-shirt from donated resources. It makes more sense to extend the time but include the total time running ignoring minor disruptions. I agree with that point, because currently, relay operators have the incentive to not update to the latest Tor version whenever a new version is released, in order to keep the consecutive uptime high. That is probably not in the best interest of Tor. Maybe Tor Weather could look at the flags instead of the consecutive uptime instead. For example, you typically don't lose your Guard or Stable flag due to a reboot. Robert : i noticed a problem with tor weather. I should have recieved a email : -Uptime is nearly 100%, Tor weather needs some updating, however it continues to email plenty of relay operators. The reason you didn't get an email is tor weather didn't see your relay matching the uptime requirement, GET FREE SMILEYS FOR YOUR IM EMAIL - Learn more at http://www.inbox.com/smileys Works with AIM®, MSN® Messenger, Yahoo!® Messenger, ICQ®, Google Talk™ and most webmails ___ tor-relays mailing list tor-relays@lists.torproject.org https://lists.torproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/tor-relays -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.11 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Thunderbird - http://www.enigmail.net/ iQIcBAEBAgAGBQJSwV11AAoJEJe61A/xrcOQbPUP/RtgN4CQSJeUC8ZPt1/r0ryU rc8ssBWHcmZBj513UaIes2HcmL72RMUXaaRtzDxrZR3F0gd7eRLWfBYXZw3M4XF+ 6SFVkesG2Mb5L41rRyqwHlIw/Cj9y9ilH6loQfAWDTaQJVtd9JQ8UQuVzIqTcAfd /ZNJnC4lZGzmH+Iih0nS0hTb+NG9jEN/32pMFc4eh7fHDg4/A6TVKftHeAcjnnv1 eIeY8kOELT3U8Dd2OV0j8tpWbvC/Rz5KYnLA2EMQLdifhSMCtbXv0a3fr58Ph8JS BfFKNFd+YvQNRUSPvkiUrCdjr8btPKYsNb9OPaNjUVkum6K1m8U/+z1OssdiGIxM IDMKmxNpQ6xlmaaWh+KegVtvV/azo51PbMlj2f/8PmqAxeJokFBaHx5V07InaA62 OKtpcLhb3zrJNmLdjp2GQ5tuRJwnXc+B2ulCO1OtjWq3Snl04quMr6GL2IPbnUMB UO8b3uN5tZp9IrO2rDTjlPLYNMLWhlgvaCKNpMDL83s1CzBJIzq2980fdd8KpSlY ThTe2DfLM3uXgbHu77ff1NXLK9UCTQZ9jMhk7UUg9pPYpjeYIZwuB9F7fZN4lr/h cdnFTJlo7P9n2MESfxzAshNg0fzSz3daTj524NnFvkl9W/ew+YqEocPkf/7Wn9xi 2M2t1wC0QeFzdhMkXGqq =IPcb -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ tor-relays mailing list tor-relays@lists.torproject.org https://lists.torproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/tor-relays Free Online Photosharing - Share your photos online with your friends and family! Visit http://www.inbox.com/photosharing to find out more! ___ tor-relays mailing list tor-relays@lists.torproject.org https://lists.torproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/tor-relays
Re: [tor-relays] Tor Relay Operators Meeting at 30c3 Chaos Communication Congress
Moritz Bartl: Torservers.net invites Tor exit relay operators and organizations to a meetup. If possible/relevant, for example if you're a member of one of the 'Torservers partner organizations', please prepare some slides on your activities. We will do quick presentations on recent and future activities around Torservers.net. Could every organizations who presented something send [1] a link to their slides? I remember also that NoiseTor gave an update without slides. Were there any other organizations who did the same? Thanks everyone who attended. It was super exciting to see all these projects commited to grow the Tor network who started this past year. :) [1] That can be done privately, I'll do a report it on tor-reports or on the next Tor Weekly News, but I need links, not attachements. -- Lunar lu...@torproject.org signature.asc Description: Digital signature ___ tor-relays mailing list tor-relays@lists.torproject.org https://lists.torproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/tor-relays
