Re: [tor-relays] Estimating the value and cost of the Tor network
Hello Perry. 5 TB/month for 20 euro/month at transip in the NL. I run a non-exit relay there. (Thinking about making it an exit.) Kees -- Kees on the move > On 25 Sep 2014, at 03:03, Mike Perry wrote: > > Moritz Bartl: >> Prices vary widely across different countries. We pay between $400 and >> $1500 per Gbit/s per month in "popular and cheap locations". In a >> scenario where we want to grow the network and at least keep the current >> geographical diversity (or even grow it), we'd have to at least equally >> strengthen less fortunate locations. > > Right. With just one or two identity fingerprints, I can give an > estimate on the minimum cost to build an equivalent Tor network with the > same capacity, as I have already done. This is not very interesting, > though, as you point out. > > But with just one or two good example identity fingerprints (with > pricing) in key locations, I can tell us how much investment it would > take to build the Tor network with the diversity we want, using our > current load balancing and network load. > > In other words, I can easily calculate what it would cost to ensure that > the network path selection was made up of W% of RU, X% of US relays, Y% > of EU relays, Z% of JP relays, etc etc. > > With many more datapoints I can tell us how much the current Tor network > actually costs with its current diversity, but I think that is actually > less interesting, unless we wanted to be able to make assumptions like > "As soon as we start paying people for bandwidth, all of (or X% of) our > volunteers will instantly disappear" (which seems unlikely to me, but > others think is a realistic concern). > > *But* In order to do any of this, I need specific identity fingerprints > and prices to do that calculation first. Again, I want to extrapolate > from real relays, using our current load balancing. > > So far only two people have given me identity fingerprints with actual > pricing information. I need way more. > > > -- > Mike Perry > ___ > tor-relays mailing list > tor-relays@lists.torproject.org > https://lists.torproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/tor-relays ___ tor-relays mailing list tor-relays@lists.torproject.org https://lists.torproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/tor-relays
Re: [tor-relays] Call for a big fast bridge (to be the meek backend)
On Mon, Sep 15, 2014 at 07:12:23PM -0700, David Fifield wrote: > The meek pluggable transport is currently running on the bridge I run, > which also happens to be the backend bridge for flash proxy. I'd like to > move it to a fast relay run by an experienced operator. I want to do > this both to diffuse trust, so that I don't run all the infrastructure, > and because my bridge is not especially fast and I'm not especially > adept at performance tuning. > > All you will need to do is run the meek-server program, add some lines > to your torrc, and update the software when I ask you to. The more CPU, > memory, and bandwidth you have, the better, though at this point usage > is low enough that you won't even notice it if you are already running a > fast relay. I think it will help if your bridge is located in the U.S., > because that reduces latency from Google App Engine. > > The meek-server plugin is basically just a little web server: > https://gitweb.torproject.org/pluggable-transports/meek.git/tree/HEAD:/meek-server A couple of other requirements have shown themselves in helping set up a meek-server relay. The first is that it has to be a 0.2.5.x version of tor. This is so that the ExtORPort option will be supported. The ExtORPort option is needed in order to collect statistics on pluggable transports (see #4773). One of the lines you will have to add to torrc is: ExtORPort auto If your tor does not support the option, you will see in the log: [warn] Failed to parse/validate config: Unknown option 'ExtORPort'. Failing. The second requirement is that the relay needs to have either BridgeRelay or DirPort set. If neither of these options is set, the relay will not be a directory cache, and clients will not be able to bootstrap past "20%: Asking for networkstatus consensus." As I understand it, #12538 will make it so that every relay is a directory cache, but it is not committed yet. I'll check back privately with the people who offered to run a relay and check if setting these options is okay. David Fifield ___ tor-relays mailing list tor-relays@lists.torproject.org https://lists.torproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/tor-relays
Re: [tor-relays] Estimating the value and cost of the Tor network
Moritz Bartl: > Prices vary widely across different countries. We pay between $400 and > $1500 per Gbit/s per month in "popular and cheap locations". In a > scenario where we want to grow the network and at least keep the current > geographical diversity (or even grow it), we'd have to at least equally > strengthen less fortunate locations. Right. With just one or two identity fingerprints, I can give an estimate on the minimum cost to build an equivalent Tor network with the same capacity, as I have already done. This is not very interesting, though, as you point out. But with just one or two good example identity fingerprints (with pricing) in key locations, I can tell us how much investment it would take to build the Tor network with the diversity we want, using our current load balancing and network load. In other words, I can easily calculate what it would cost to ensure that the network path selection was made up of W% of RU, X% of US relays, Y% of EU relays, Z% of JP relays, etc etc. With many more datapoints I can tell us how much the current Tor network actually costs with its current diversity, but I think that is actually less interesting, unless we wanted to be able to make assumptions like "As soon as we start paying people for bandwidth, all of (or X% of) our volunteers will instantly disappear" (which seems unlikely to me, but others think is a realistic concern). *But* In order to do any of this, I need specific identity fingerprints and prices to do that calculation first. Again, I want to extrapolate from real relays, using our current load balancing. So far only two people have given me identity fingerprints with actual pricing information. I need way more. -- Mike Perry signature.asc Description: Digital signature ___ tor-relays mailing list tor-relays@lists.torproject.org https://lists.torproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/tor-relays
Re: [tor-relays] Good hosting location for exit relay
> finding the best country and provider. Tired of people asking here what's the most best/friendly provider. Do people think saturating popular names like Amazon AWS, OVH, Dreamhost, Rackspace, Lowendbox, Hurricane, Digitalocean, etc with nodes is helping Tor's physical, logical or legal diversity? Or is that helping small independant businesses that just might have crazy ideas like say... anonymity and privacy... prosper? https://www.google.com/search?q=vps+provider+in+chile https://www.google.com/search?q=vps+provider+in+taiwan https://www.google.com/search?q=vps+provider+in+ukraine https://www.google.com/search?q=vps+provider+in+india https://www.google.com/search?q=vps+provider+in+south+africa https://www.google.com/search?q=vps+provider+in+uae https://www.google.com/search?q=vps+provider+in+greece https://www.google.com/search?q=vps+provider+in+latvia http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_urban_areas_by_population Just pick some third or second world country, or random city with 1M pop or more and start looking with credit card in hand. Pay monthly, document it on the wiki, and move on to another if they suck. The place/provider that will keep the node, move a useful amount of bandwidth, and that no one else has picked... that's the best place. And having not been picked before, you won't find it by asking this list :) ___ tor-relays mailing list tor-relays@lists.torproject.org https://lists.torproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/tor-relays
[tor-relays] Help collect hidden service usage stats?
Hi folks, If you are comfortable compiling Tor from git, and you want to help investigate what fraction of Tor network load comes from hidden service use, I have a shiny new git branch called hs-stats that will collect per-thirty-minute statistics about number of circuits and number of cells your relay sees that have to do with exiting, with hidden services, with circuits where you're not the final hop, and a fourth none-of-the-above category. https://trac.torproject.org/projects/tor/ticket/13192 It skips all circuits and cells that come from non-relays, which should help make sure the stats aren't useful for hurting anonymity. It doesn't automatically send the output anywhere -- it just writes it to its notice-level log for now. So you'll need to either send me the log lines, or add them to the trac ticket like I did here: https://trac.torproject.org/projects/tor/ticket/13192#comment:2 Preliminary results are that load from hidden services is actually a tiny fraction of overall load. A bonus use from these statistics would be to learn what fraction of load comes from exit connections vs middle connections, for relays with various consensus flags. And of course, it's possible there are bugs in how I'm doing the counting. I'll keep investigating to make sure I'm doing it right. Thanks! --Roger ___ tor-relays mailing list tor-relays@lists.torproject.org https://lists.torproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/tor-relays
Re: [tor-relays] Good hosting location for exit relay
> If I had the cash I would rent a server at Cyberbunker but it's to > expensive to only run a relay there. If you want to run your exit node anonymously, checkout chmuranet https://chmuranet.com/ They are in the seedbox business but accept tor exits, too. You need to handle abuse within 24h. You need to use a reduced exit policy, but the important ports like 80 and 443 are fine. It's a small company, so you have to ask if they can handle another tor exit. I'm currently their first and only exit. You don't have to give them your name and they accept paypal and bitcoin. Join their irc and ping wBuddha. ___ tor-relays mailing list tor-relays@lists.torproject.org https://lists.torproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/tor-relays
Re: [tor-relays] Alternative Nobel Prize
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA512 Hell yeeeh, praise the LORD!!! On 24. September 2014 16:01:33 MESZ, Sebastian Urbach wrote: >Hi, > >The german magazine "der Spiegel" reports that Edward Snowden will >receive >the Alternative Nobel Prize. > >Congratulations Edward ! >-- >Mit freundlichen Grüssen / Sincerely yours > >Sebastian Urbach > >- >Definition of TOR: >10% luck, 20% skill, 15% concentrated >power of will, 5% pleasure, 50% pain and >100% reason to remember the name! >- > > >___ >tor-relays mailing list >tor-relays@lists.torproject.org >https://lists.torproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/tor-relays - -- We don't bubble you, we don't spoof you ;) Keep your data encrypted! Log you soon, your Admin elri...@elrippoisland.net Encrypted messages are welcome. 0x84DF1F7E6AE03644 - -BEGIN PGP PUBLIC KEY BLOCK- Version: GnuPG v1.4.11 (GNU/Linux) mQINBFH797MBEAC0Y0NeI7lmDR9szTEcWuHuRe0r/WjSRC0Nr5nXsghuMcxpJ3Dd BOBimi4hdMMK4iqPVMwNw6GpKYR3A9LHHjbYRXHUKrJmB+BaJVyzJXN5H6XvxTTb UfX+DaXAGJW/G+3cBB3qm/QaU8QGkBKfXq0DLTaTGPkGKxEAldj/8onGZhawdJs+ B92JrW+S2HDh15pIuXzSqe7eCcIOdvvwfWe0fJi2AraA7LYGpxP6GcC/b9JJpbq5 Y6DfE2Aun9ZK3iHqURyrms0Whbv1CgmUahL2MVYCsTsXwe0GwlAxxKvjXAiXuo+R 9wO5wsXvVVSVNqsk9Yqi+wYzdPKndTU0GyxSApQHroF+cxaZ8Lk0xloj18+LdCSs e5IiTSXH0MMsDdWWdHlrgk+bgDG+0Gu3ne4vMwGdKO7AhYgQW/ueMy4RnkG/nsV9 jry5BO4gGAI1Ij8KvqUzEnvJFGE3ptJogU+zazWWDUWmL3ecKb3aDRlJFnZ3kJ5h q8GolZVjpk99V+4B5WVRPXdej/p5J19tXycK/jdNmr4oC8NyUhIpe8xHELnfoB4z +rxiTx+KMnW0rY8EQg8O2ixEYt5my90IwQkxcxIxextVrqjJjYn8extc2/v8yGzI KmTEJxdADB5v/Jx4HiLHNDSfBUb8gfONCkNSTYvTcSwTjWzHOkXeE/9ZbQARAQAB tD5lbHJpcHBvIChrZWVwIHlvdXIgZGF0YSBlbmNyeXB0ZWQpIDxlbHJpcHBvQGVs cmlwcG9pc2xhbmQubmV0PokCOAQTAQIAIgUCUfv3swIbLwYLCQgHAwIGFQgCCQoL BBYCAwECHgECF4AACgkQhN8ffmrgNkT8+BAAoAXBqu4/O2Cs5FSWWZpzgScNEgq7 uHhOKeYmRfgKlOUPoYlPB1DBqdOAXSKb9OvsmyOvpoGnqijB7aAJBoyQYW/OCQgd U8L4eTCf4yRZnfFLdgskcPfN1p0Rs/yinGEooBJFtYa7mT6J0UTW2JjCLZK2AFCW oF+KBu5JICXGBXigb2ZbX1jWjxP5H1RidQw6HF5z4z34SjLWAOOeZ8B/Xfz6Fs0s IAuLu2O4HE4DI8Qu196LhSVHHgr3uMTkvN1t5nKwyjrRQztwXXk9qIomII3ydNYb BYAGdWNNMfLb1kmDwC5wQHAFvSP1aiMF3aKAY+gl2wXSGO6JqM0SteJS3dytIljI kzu0atc9HuGs/HDQgdmpAS4WU2YefEr/WieltSiAKlwuC+3wg+CONJ6TE1vgNDU/ axerttb0jq7UQb/nAp05bsrB7XH1Vs+1ON9lUPEfWRmwQcrVK5JUrUWa/4tA/UeM XvFcPFtFluGTlLewgJIqcvjPXFwpbDZprXJsMkwew/A6B6n3+0sbgf7p3QSGkVbi dwQAymTbHdYqLnbcnKZhjto3Wjw1J5QB2wuiRYlpjV3i7AWTGlqoSTOWCCV+HamQ qeFYNYAWNFx3+J/oi7xDi8t9bHVNA205equ+y2sj3G5uGJ6LSHQ8AXp9uOipUUvU 1MJN0yLXr9PIwvi5Ag0EUfv3swEQAL0+MnxHGrTjSYdfdua4SBpmytDONM1EngeY s+WyaC/760MughKbaysI/nK2LB1vnwEY7f3NM4fxBx8u2T7VBm6Ez6Fs23Bb8Rkz f97bPSdxCmg64GPHfLA9uwTIXcYS+MpI86WOf6eWY0rRpf7Y9Nl7YoUNvzOyUPqc ggdcnHce8zYv7A/WS8flZDm8tVFPsHrQDEwNMws7ZhiNnHkeZeRJrvCuB7oEVich O/ROYoA5o6NozWYQbjxe1f6Yur4Q10qgVcxVnyLFJSbg6vZSzL7KYh3Z5iBOzPHt 7cwEDrW8W4Kl2Qj8rhJ4Wxs94CAtua7IXK44sVZWQbyHcOXRikgGMZKkEZzVCQa5 KD1u1ZrcBCyuMAir0hsmS3jhCUwpiE2c3SRk8O8CgixhTcBk0X/k9ZFu3Hbi1JMB FLzs/Nq3tYAYvVivhPloSxmYBPsafYHCZM83yBNNsralXh5zjB+di90G+AMXt2PN LTcdovZuWtC0s8/jrx+zv/AA4FAGYU9OVl+YL9ybFX8gSdMEcixyzQcKfiFBjpWv 5iFrwIuDlaXMcheyrhc9aGOxfx44OXc505+VjO/1Q/8EOWlJ6UwOi6GMkj5T+RFJ MDyP0UixS7dt6wTuD5t6PRuyWWxZswgrbL9hjwGFr154Z19TWeNWc23pWtUvQJos UCxl2nFHABEBAAGJBD4EGAECAAkFAlH797MCGy4CKQkQhN8ffmrgNkTBXSAEGQEC AAYFAlH797MACgkQJEPd69lQ0evA+Q/+M7lSFlrQWiRsFqDjh+kTJc+0OEBCvnfo N2KPyXXbfc//qup55PfEygE6C60zvrlv3WE33GZ5GS5MLuDMP82b+a5Yt16NQU7L WtAg1g0S0BvazW+28TgnfO8bhbGaFeE9ccw3xLmlbwZQ3f3LtMKdwFIROiG6hvAs 9U54QYti3tv9DowRYYWpdr0Ga8RqeGNtCKc0v2opy51MpzKWjwUW0i3XlSlyY8Lj 1KT8PyznNPw32nYpmDizz+0OUJNnn/kT+GnFoR3DJnFosTOrnxFJp+N+nejMp/gW r9NM0/E7H+P53IiytBOt5/0vsOaCFGdYGhKEjmJi3dHS4Xk1ObD1mjdD1YDOlWWU 3Md6BDHd4W7Q8gT7oQfTIMLd3HzV+WNPIdocPLBaeA/tRD8Pg5CCmncAmSub4F5T An7FlnACtSOv3cIWQ0TymS42DihDaJ5d1RvNzKw+zHYdPvf471JFZR3TDhkPbLIr 9czR7kbpnXRwchgwXQn306NVWf37TgA8wpbnFTazZ38iOeqcb9oKprqnbgEdr3PN OhKSlMTkzAqf3MEi2Fyua4BADMhS3oBwCRgDTlt6wquEytpNSlZaHnyiyIgOpekF Uy5K3w8NhHqeifRPrNb/UcCbXtXz+puqIEZHMenpv6FRlTTKpdoHoVXSkp1TPMGN /VaCiLbP4Z3xEw/9EbAJJkhmmx1Qw3ueoqc4h1MmhUtIdxSZ/oA9SjwlnY++zvaZ 6w1wTS4P+OUkETNDtItdpxXMJ9qfSy9voAQc2K43WMZCCmpPJYSdqaZZNPFj+Ne8 6FNtNKuUkXREybpHwlVAXnHzInmFOOM9RAmF70r3zEmKt77W1ztBLo2o9X79gPgL u9ThgrH6Oc2k46n+9nc3joccr7miiX/bp976DNWcWdOYThiSSOCb8Zw9/Zs935i1 wUVkYTj24tmBH4H5ov9ib7RPmU21ru458RbUKG0ONAqBtAHNyXHzUnXsrke+D4VW MI06YcXSk8YeYgQ8GxgHQc+W2bb8LIbKN1hEYJ0wzM62vKR2/Oiwuf8lXutIKTuz +v7Vj1PQd66DGHsxtWRaWnr1c54JTL2wICHJYKFH4grp7864+GL/uQ1O/Z/XxVku E1JQ/AnwBGU1M1S6otwWGWVRjzEzQtxsfcCEPvV/9td3FIFQAbGTPb+48XFU+TY9 8AlcXBlDzXq7c5f8Evn/oSIsZDt63K4HNTmMGqOTl/p1aA0e4eyX76LczY06rDP5 GMSNs+AHmYgZiS4RYhRUIvS9uLXMnnDAMYst0SDl2orDUUeHBTzu0rchyknBZMGP p5wQuWQ9CFlV+dj3UYbrBwC1lTkAMXRG2vlhA0V0TZqos7A5D4VHgSUQQjE= =otlL - -END PGP PUBLIC KEY BLOCK- -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: APG v1.1.1 iQJcBAEBCgBGBQJUIs+jPxxlbHJpcHBvIChrZWVwIHlvdXIgZGF0YSBlbmNyeXB0 ZWQpIDxlbHJpcHBvQGVscmlwcG9pc2xhbmQubmV0PgAKCRAkQ93r2VD
Re: [tor-relays] How about a TWN entry about hosting locations?
* Lunar schrieb am 2014-09-24 um 15:10 Uhr: > So the first step is to start the wiki page and send a call. Then it can > be featured in TWN. A wiki page is there: https://trac.torproject.org/projects/tor/wiki/doc/HostingLocations> I'll fill it later with some numbers I read at the mailing list. If others have numbers, please help growing the tables. ;) -- Jens Kubieziel http://www.kubieziel.de Die Zehn Gebote Gottes sind deshalb so klar und verständlich, weil sie ohne Mitwirkung einer Sachverständigenkommission zustande gekommen sind. Charles de Gaulle signature.asc Description: Digital signature ___ tor-relays mailing list tor-relays@lists.torproject.org https://lists.torproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/tor-relays
Re: [tor-relays] Good hosting location for exit relay
I couldn't agree more with this statement, IMHO there's more importance in bringing exits to diverse locales that spread the jurisdictional problems over a wide geographic space. The more exits running in various places the more of a normalizing effect this has on what Tor is, how it functions and how useful it is. It also acts as a subtle indicator about when there's regional resistance to tools like Tor, possibly due to it's censorship bypass abilities, and avoidance of national surveillance programs. It would be very nice to get a weighted list of which countries need more exits, balanced against common reasons there aren't more there already. -Jason > > This issue has been discussed a few times before. In my opinion, even if > there was an ISP that happily accepts Tor exit nodes, we should not > place more and more nodes in their network. Remember that Tor network > needs diversity. > > So, i think the goal is to expand the list of Tor-friendly ISPs rather > than picking an entry from that list. You need to contact the ISP > beforehand, explain what a Tor relay is and what is not. Also it helps a > lot to handle yourself the abuse reports rather than letting your ISP do > that. > > More information can be found here: > https://blog.torproject.org/blog/tips-running-exit-node-minimal-harassment > > Greetings > > ___ > tor-relays mailing list > tor-relays@lists.torproject.org > https://lists.torproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/tor-relays > ___ tor-relays mailing list tor-relays@lists.torproject.org https://lists.torproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/tor-relays
[tor-relays] Alternative Nobel Prize
Hi, The german magazine "der Spiegel" reports that Edward Snowden will receive the Alternative Nobel Prize. Congratulations Edward ! -- Mit freundlichen Grüssen / Sincerely yours Sebastian Urbach - Definition of TOR: 10% luck, 20% skill, 15% concentrated power of will, 5% pleasure, 50% pain and 100% reason to remember the name! - ___ tor-relays mailing list tor-relays@lists.torproject.org https://lists.torproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/tor-relays
Re: [tor-relays] Good hosting location for exit relay
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hey, Looking for an appropriate ISP is indeed quite a search. Since I started hosting Tor Exit nodes my own search still continues. The Good/Bad ISPs list is handy but there are more ways to help you on your journey. I myself want to be able to push a lot of traffic for a decent price so I use the torstatus page of Blutmagie (http://torstatus.blutmagie.de/) to see what ISPs the big nodes are hosted. Together with general search engine searching and e-mailing the ISPs about their policies towards Exit nodes being hosted there, this gives quite some options to look into. Spreading all nodes over as many geolocations and different ISPs is important but as most ISPs do not like Tor there is no endless pool of possible ISPs. When looking for the best country to host I always try to avoid the USA and most Middle East/Asian countries if they have dodgy human rights infringing laws of some kind. Like mentioned on the Good/Bad ISPs page they advise to not host in Austria because of some dude getting sued there. I do not know exactly what the risk is if you are not a resident of Austria yourself though. Even though clustering nodes at the same ISP is not best for geo-spreading, I can tell you that from my own experience there are quite some parties which offer hosting for a decent price. - - server.lu Located in Luxembourg, fair prices. Their VPS-es can push 200 Mbps but they will shut it down as you are not allowed that much. They allow exit nodes on their dedicated servers though (starting at EU 35,00). - - Leaseweb Used to offer dedicated servers with 100 Mbps in Germany and The Netherlands starting at EU 39,00. It looks though that they have changed the packages they offer recently. - - Unmetered.com Starting at EU 59,00 they offer dedicated servers with guaranteed 500 Mbps in Germany and the States. Some big nodes seem to be hosted here. My advise would be to look around and use the Good/Bad ISPs wiki page as part of the set of tools to look for the best ISP to host your Exit node. Hope my thoughts about this will be of some help. For me I am still looking around every week to see what ISP can make me a happier Tor Exit node hoster. Best regards, On 09/24/2014 12:49 PM, DerTor Steher wrote: > Hey, for a few days now I'm looking for an appropriate ISP for my > new exit relay. There are a few problem I am facing now: 1.) Since > I'm living in germany it isn't the very best to host an exit relay > in germany, so I need to know which country is (law related) the > best country I could host my VPS. 2.) The choice of a hoster. It's > not easy to find a good and reliable and (if possible) cheap hoster > which allows tor exit relays so I need to crawl to whole Good/Bad > ISPs list for such providers. > > If I had the cash I would rent a server at Cyberbunker but it's to > expensive to only run a relay there. > > I would appreciate if you could help me or at least give me some > tips with finding the best country and provider. > > Thanks. :) > > > > ___ tor-relays mailing > list tor-relays@lists.torproject.org > https://lists.torproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/tor-relays > - -- Tim Semeijn pgp 0x08CE9B4D -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v2.0.22 (GNU/Linux) iQEcBAEBAgAGBQJUIsYVAAoJEB4F+FYIzptN0ecH/ipYyrtpCVGgvaHIgtdJCOlx OHTYDx0DCBQ0oHQtlrgbh2CEBsMLCSEMYCE5PPNl37dqYSR2KE/7DDBV7P3PQ6Mc yyjF37dbQBPP83/HHhtWXRWaOS3RGC31gbkFzSEVfQ2skFDYhqlI6WBefzKYyA06 yxNZWm2djFI6lty2vpw2r42whHNwQIlZj2bpaojXEnC1FjgaIvIU22V5Bq2Hgn46 bL3aQE37CzTENXexyvXp5EyugUHb2dB5SpYp6Nz0kayXeARo1nxJcEfyYVoNrgLd zjFBj6lPawEHevKAe/hir6uxuSddAoYwD3tOhmZV0lfgAlhws5XwKepkUHS9qAQ= =mxqx -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ tor-relays mailing list tor-relays@lists.torproject.org https://lists.torproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/tor-relays
Re: [tor-relays] Good hosting location for exit relay
Thanks Alexandros, for your reply. At first it's not the abuse reports that I fear. It's more the legal problems. In germany you can get in big problems when the "wrong" traffic goes over your exit relay. I know german hosters (including my ISP) that allow exit relays but it isn't the very best country to host one if you do not want to get in contact with police searching your house and taking away all your computer stuff for investigation. 2014-09-24 15:24 GMT+02:00 Alexandros : > On 09/24/2014 01:49 PM, DerTor Steher wrote: > > Hey, > > for a few days now I'm looking for an appropriate ISP for my new exit > relay. > > There are a few problem I am facing now: > > 1.) Since I'm living in germany it isn't the very best to host an exit > > relay in germany, so I need to know which country is (law related) the > > best country I could host my VPS. > > 2.) The choice of a hoster. It's not easy to find a good and reliable > > and (if possible) cheap hoster which allows tor exit relays so I need to > > crawl to whole Good/Bad ISPs list for such providers. > > > > If I had the cash I would rent a server at Cyberbunker but it's to > > expensive to only run a relay there. > > > > I would appreciate if you could help me or at least give me some tips > > with finding the best country and provider. > > > > Thanks. :) > > > > Hi, > > just adding a few thoughts. > > This issue has been discussed a few times before. In my opinion, even if > there was an ISP that happily accepts Tor exit nodes, we should not > place more and more nodes in their network. Remember that Tor network > needs diversity. > > So, i think the goal is to expand the list of Tor-friendly ISPs rather > than picking an entry from that list. You need to contact the ISP > beforehand, explain what a Tor relay is and what is not. Also it helps a > lot to handle yourself the abuse reports rather than letting your ISP do > that. > > More information can be found here: > https://blog.torproject.org/blog/tips-running-exit-node-minimal-harassment > > Greetings > > ___ > tor-relays mailing list > tor-relays@lists.torproject.org > https://lists.torproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/tor-relays > ___ tor-relays mailing list tor-relays@lists.torproject.org https://lists.torproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/tor-relays
[tor-relays] A friendly reminder for all ScrambleSuit bridge operators.
Hello all, This is a friendly reminder to all ScrambleSuit bridge operators that unless you are running tor-0.2.5.x, you should not be running a ScrambleSuit bridge. This is because the method for propagating the ScrambleSuit password (or any other future pluggable transport server side argument) for inclusion in the Bridge line served from BridgeDB was implemented in 0.2.5.x, and is not present in 0.2.4.x, and to make matters worse, 0.2.4.x has a bug that will allow this configuration to run instead of failing with an error[0]. If you are running a ScrambleSuit bridge with tor-0.2.4.x, it is useless. Users that happen to be served your ScrambleSuit bridge will not be able to connect, because the password is missing. Approximately 1/7th of the ScrambleSuit bridges in BridgeDB exhibit this behavior and we will most likely start filtering them on the BridgeDB side. Please see https://trac.torproject.org/projects/tor/ticket/13202 if you wish to know more about this. Best Regards, -- Yawning Angel [0]: Apparently this is not worth patching 0.2.4.x for, which I personally view as unfortunate. signature.asc Description: PGP signature ___ tor-relays mailing list tor-relays@lists.torproject.org https://lists.torproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/tor-relays
Re: [tor-relays] Good hosting location for exit relay
On 09/24/2014 01:49 PM, DerTor Steher wrote: > Hey, > for a few days now I'm looking for an appropriate ISP for my new exit relay. > There are a few problem I am facing now: > 1.) Since I'm living in germany it isn't the very best to host an exit > relay in germany, so I need to know which country is (law related) the > best country I could host my VPS. > 2.) The choice of a hoster. It's not easy to find a good and reliable > and (if possible) cheap hoster which allows tor exit relays so I need to > crawl to whole Good/Bad ISPs list for such providers. > > If I had the cash I would rent a server at Cyberbunker but it's to > expensive to only run a relay there. > > I would appreciate if you could help me or at least give me some tips > with finding the best country and provider. > > Thanks. :) > Hi, just adding a few thoughts. This issue has been discussed a few times before. In my opinion, even if there was an ISP that happily accepts Tor exit nodes, we should not place more and more nodes in their network. Remember that Tor network needs diversity. So, i think the goal is to expand the list of Tor-friendly ISPs rather than picking an entry from that list. You need to contact the ISP beforehand, explain what a Tor relay is and what is not. Also it helps a lot to handle yourself the abuse reports rather than letting your ISP do that. More information can be found here: https://blog.torproject.org/blog/tips-running-exit-node-minimal-harassment Greetings ___ tor-relays mailing list tor-relays@lists.torproject.org https://lists.torproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/tor-relays
Re: [tor-relays] How about a TWN entry about hosting locations?
Great idea! We could even share information about the legal situation on exit relays of the different countries. This would help people to get orientation in finding the best location. Maybe we have some people in this list who have got experience with those different countries and could provide legal information. 2014-09-24 15:10 GMT+02:00 Lunar : > Jens Kubieziel: > > it seems quite much work for a person to collect information about > > hosting locations. So what do you think about putting a section into > > next TWN which links to a wiki page where everyone can share information > > about costs in different regions? > > Tor Weekly News is meant to relay what's happening in the community. > > So the first step is to start the wiki page and send a call. Then it can > be featured in TWN. > > -- > Lunar > > ___ > tor-relays mailing list > tor-relays@lists.torproject.org > https://lists.torproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/tor-relays > > ___ tor-relays mailing list tor-relays@lists.torproject.org https://lists.torproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/tor-relays
Re: [tor-relays] How about a TWN entry about hosting locations?
Jens Kubieziel: > it seems quite much work for a person to collect information about > hosting locations. So what do you think about putting a section into > next TWN which links to a wiki page where everyone can share information > about costs in different regions? Tor Weekly News is meant to relay what's happening in the community. So the first step is to start the wiki page and send a call. Then it can be featured in TWN. -- Lunar signature.asc Description: Digital signature ___ tor-relays mailing list tor-relays@lists.torproject.org https://lists.torproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/tor-relays
[tor-relays] How about a TWN entry about hosting locations?
Hi, it seems quite much work for a person to collect information about hosting locations. So what do you think about putting a section into next TWN which links to a wiki page where everyone can share information about costs in different regions? -- Jens Kubieziel http://www.kubieziel.de Es genügt nicht, keine Gedanken zu haben. Man muß auch unfähig sein, sie auszudrücken. Karl Kraus signature.asc Description: Digital signature ___ tor-relays mailing list tor-relays@lists.torproject.org https://lists.torproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/tor-relays
[tor-relays] Good hosting location for exit relay
Hey, for a few days now I'm looking for an appropriate ISP for my new exit relay. There are a few problem I am facing now: 1.) Since I'm living in germany it isn't the very best to host an exit relay in germany, so I need to know which country is (law related) the best country I could host my VPS. 2.) The choice of a hoster. It's not easy to find a good and reliable and (if possible) cheap hoster which allows tor exit relays so I need to crawl to whole Good/Bad ISPs list for such providers. If I had the cash I would rent a server at Cyberbunker but it's to expensive to only run a relay there. I would appreciate if you could help me or at least give me some tips with finding the best country and provider. Thanks. :) ___ tor-relays mailing list tor-relays@lists.torproject.org https://lists.torproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/tor-relays
Re: [tor-relays] Estimating the value and cost of the Tor network
* Tim schrieb am 2014-09-24 um 08:32 Uhr: > But I don't know how much hope there is for this - I've tried to find > pricing in Australia, and the figures I've found are: > $8000 per month for 100Mbps.[2] > $1500 per month for 25Mbps.[3] > $800 per month for 10Mbps.[4] That fits to the numbers Cloudflare provided recently. They wrote in their blog post, that Australia is the most expensive region: // /* To give you some sense of how out-of-whack Australia is, at CloudFlare */ /* we pay about as much every month for bandwidth to serve all of Europe as */ /* we do to for Australia. That’s in spite of the fact that approximately */ /* 33x the number of people live in Europe (750 million) versus Australia */ /* (22 million).*/ // from https://blog.cloudflare.com/the-relative-cost-of-bandwidth-around-the-world/> -- Jens Kubieziel http://www.kubieziel.de Wir leben in einem gefährlichen Zeitalter: Der Mensch beherrscht die Natur, bevor er gelernt hat, sich selbst zu beherrschen. Albert Schweitzer signature.asc Description: Digital signature ___ tor-relays mailing list tor-relays@lists.torproject.org https://lists.torproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/tor-relays
