Re: [tor-relays] Accounting and the 'Stable' flag

[Green Dream]

> I just want to make sure that... the ISP is not throttling traffic without 
> notification.


Yeah, that's a valid concern. Aside from running through some of the
M-LAB tests (https://www.measurementlab.net/tests/), it can be hard to
predict or detect this.

Another issue that can crop up is poor peering capacity between your
ISP and the rest of the Internet. In particular, in order to get a
good consensus weight, the Tor bandwidth authorities need a good path
to your relay. This can be really hard to measure. I have run into at
least one provider that had great bandwidth when measured with nearby
hosts or localized CDNs, but somewhere in the path to the bandwidth
authorities there was congestion or some other issue preventing good
connectivity.
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Re: [tor-relays] Accounting and the 'Stable' flag

[Ralph Seichter]

On 22.08.16 19:22, Green Dream wrote:

> https://blog.torproject.org/blog/lifecycle-of-a-new-relay

Thank you. I had read about this, but the relay in question already had
both the 'stable' and 'guard' flags (which probably meant it was in
phase 3), and lost both flags after I enabled accounting. I don't mean
to be impatient, though, and I will keep the relay running and see if
the coming week brings changes. I just want to make sure that a) I did
not screw up configuring things and b) the ISP is not throttling traffic
without notification. The latter possibility only occurred to me some
hours ago.

-Ralph
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Re: [tor-relays] Accounting and the 'Stable' flag

[Green Dream]

@Ralph

https://blog.torproject.org/blog/lifecycle-of-a-new-relay

It is normal to experience a dip in traffic. Just keep the relay
running and let things play out. It can take weeks for utilization to
peak.
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Re: [tor-relays] relay on a vps not exclusively used for tor?

[Toralf Förster]

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> Thx for sharing this kernel option, and this experience.
Under Gentoo Linux it is very easy to have GRSecurity. I do use it both on my 
desktop and my server w/o bigger problems.

> But if I understand well, a user from the IP address 5.79.67.47 has
> tried to execute system commands after beeing connected successfully to
> your boinc instance ?
That was my understanding - right. OTOH I'm unsure if this is the only 
explanation - maybe there's a harmless one too.


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Re: [tor-relays] #torstrike

[attila]

Arisbe  writes:

>   
>

I agree in general with a lot of what is said here, but I have to take
issue with one point:

> 
>   
>   
> Okay, so I've been concerned about the safety of at-risk Tor users
> since all this shit broke. New employees at the organizational
> structure serving as the main accuser, an all new board with
> interrelationships and motivation unknown, grenades rolled under
> office doors and all of the rest leaves a bad taste in my mouth. I
> cannot, at this time, recommend to a third world citizen, that (s)he
> trust the Tor network. I hope that changes.
> 
> The issue is whether or not someone new in the Tor organization
> will, accidentally or intentionally, put third world users at risk.
> I cannot trust an all-new board. Tor needs to be on their best
> behavior in order for me to re-establish trust in the organization.
> 
> 
> As a retired corporate manager I've seen these problems before. I
> have several suggestions that I feel are must-do tasks for the Tor
> Project:
> 1) Secure an independent investigator to look into the allegations
> against Jacob. Either demonstrate that he is not an honorable
> employee or reinstate him. No one should trust anonymous claims
> that can ruin his career. If Jacob is guilty, he should be
> prosecuted;

... and this is it.

I've seen this now over and over in these discussions: if Applebaum is
guilty then some legal action must follow.

Involving your local legal system in rape and sexual misconduct cases
is problematic for many reasons.  I highly encourage anyone who thinks
that the obvious answer to the kinds of wrongdoing that Jacob
Applebaum is accused of is "the courts" to read *something* about rape
culture.  Here are three links that aren't bad starting points:

http://time.com/40110/rape-culture-is-real/
http://jezebel.com/5822649/why-a-rape-doesnt-get-prosecuted
http://everydayfeminism.com/2014/03/examples-of-rape-culture/

I would also encourage anyone who thinks the police or court system of
any country on the planet are always good ways to resolve these issues
should also read this article and follow the links in it:


https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/wonk/wp/2016/03/18/idaho-sheriff-said-most-rape-victims-hes-worked-with-are-lying-the-numbers-disagree/

There are obviously a lot more articles online about this issue, and I
want to stress that this goes well beyond these accusations against a
specfic person.  The cries of "due process" (whatever that means
wherever you happen to be) and "if it's true charge him with a crime"
sound thin and naive to me.  They are based on assumptions that aren't
true.  If you accept this then the actions of the accusers in this
case don't look so strange or off-base and the constant scolding to
let the courts decide guilt or innocence look hollow.  It also means
that the real path forward is not so clean or easy.

> 2) Board member should be open, accessible and available to
> employees and node operators. Their background and motivation for
> being a director of the Tor Project should be disseminated. There
> interrelationship with other board members should be known;
> 3) As one of the founders of Tor, Roger should openly discuss these
> and all issues in a public manner (on the web page, webinar,
> magazine article, etc.);
> 4) An organizational plan should be placed in the employment manual
> that puts significant distance between coding employees and
> directors;
> 5) Employees and directors should not operate nor have access to
> authority servers.
> 
> I've operated a number of exits and guards for several years now
> (including, as far as I know, the only Tor node in Albania). [1] I
> will leave these operational for now but I expect changes in this
> unprofessionally operated 501c3.
> 
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Re: [tor-relays] #torstrike

[Pi3]

Or six-years-old-sand...@lists.torproject.org
This whole manifesto sounds like it was written by spoiled teenager or counter 
intelligence 
agent who is trying to incite unrest. Its designed to provoke emotions and 
doesn't deal with anything real. 
And I think its really awesome. This means that tor is a pain on someone's ass 
and doing its job 
for people who really need it. This someone is likely from said intelligence 
because spinning sexual scandals 
and building new stuff on those "scandals" is their way of doing their job 
where people get socially crucified 
without any evidence or legal conduct. Even when and _if_ such conduct happens 
it _always_ ends fast and 
without conclusions, but the harm was already made.
Noise around tor is good for tor - it means its alive. Its just sad to see that 
people can get destroyed 
in this information war. 
Actually this stuff made me to slap another relay somewhere
On Mon, Aug 22, 2016 at 9:08 AM, I  wrote:
This thread should be moved to [ tor-knitting-cir...@lists.torproject.org ] or 
write to The Tor Corporation you think exists.
 
Robert
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Re: [tor-relays] relay on a vps not exclusively used for tor?

[jensm1]

Thanks for all the replies!

It's actually a good advice, not to run backup and tor on the same 
server, in case it gets seized or the ISP kills it.
Also, the small monetary savings aren't really worth the increased 
attack surface for both, the tor relay and the other services.


I therefore won't be running a relay on that VPS, but I will check if my 
funds will allow me (student, so money is always a bit tight) to spin up 
a second VPS just for tor.


Thanks again for all your advice and help!

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Re: [tor-relays] Accounting and the 'Stable' flag

[Ralph Seichter]

On 21.08.2016 13:29, Sebastian Hahn wrote:

> Just keep your relay up and you should regain the flag.

Followup:

Now that another day has passed, the relay's traffic has unfortunately
dropped significantly, to roughly 10% of what the relay could process
according to AccountingMax and the specified bandwidth limitations. The
number of connections has dropped to approximately 20% of the former
value. That's quite a shame.

Can I do anything to actively promote the relay, or am I left with
leaving it running and hoping that it is not "tainted" in some way? The
'Fast' flag is still present, but actual use is minimal.

-Ralph
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Re: [tor-relays] Tiny computers (RPi-like) for exit nodes?

[Petrusko]

Sometimes it can because of a bad/cheap power supply... Not the ARM-Pi
or the OS :s

> Hi, used to run a Banana PI with Debian as a TOR Relay. This is not 
> recommendable since the system froze after a while. Although this could just 
> be my system that is unstable. 
>
> but from my experience I can not recommend it. 

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Re: [tor-relays] #torstrike

[Zenaan Harkness]

I concur with all you say below.

Exceptionally well spoken. Evidently you have some solid experience in
your corporate managerial role.

Thanks for speaking up.


On Sun, Aug 21, 2016 at 11:50:37PM -0700, Arisbe wrote:
>Okay, so I've been concerned about the safety of at-risk Tor users since 
> all this shit broke.  New employees at the
>organizational structure serving as the main accuser, an all new board 
> with interrelationships and motivation
>unknown, grenades rolled under office doors and all of the rest leaves a 
> bad taste in my mouth.  I cannot, at this
>time, recommend to a third world citizen, that (s)he trust the Tor 
> network.  I hope that changes.
>The issue is whether or not someone new in the Tor organization will, 
> accidentally or intentionally, put third world
>users at risk.  I cannot trust an all-new board.  Tor needs to be on their 
> best behavior in order for me to
>re-establish trust in the organization.
>As a retired corporate manager I've seen these problems before.  I have 
> several suggestions that I feel are must-do
>tasks for the Tor Project:
>1)  Secure an independent investigator to look into the allegations 
> against Jacob.  Either demonstrate that he is not
>an honorable employee or reinstate him.  No one should trust anonymous 
> claims that can ruin his career.  If Jacob is
>guilty, he should be prosecuted;
>2)  Board member should be open, accessible and available to employees and 
> node operators.  Their background and
>motivation for being a director of the Tor Project should be disseminated. 
>  There interrelationship with other board
>members should be known;
>3)  As one of the founders of Tor, Roger should openly discuss these and 
> all issues in a public manner (on the web
>page, webinar, magazine article, etc.);
>4)  An organizational plan should be placed in the employment manual that 
> puts significant distance between coding
>employees and directors;
>5)  Employees and directors should not operate nor have access to 
> authority servers.
>I've operated a number of exits and guards for several years now 
> (including, as far as I know, the only Tor node in
>Albania). [1]  I will leave these operational for now but I expect changes 
> in this unprofessionally operated 501c3.
>[1]
> 
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>4061C553CA88021B8302F0814365070AAE617270
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>D3E5EDDBE5159388704D6785BE51930AAFACEC6F
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Re: [tor-relays] Tiny computers (RPi-like) for exit nodes?

[Michael Andersen]

Torsdag den 18. august 2016 12:35:11 skrev Zack Weinberg:
> Has anyone had any experience running *exit* nodes on Raspberry Pi-grade
> hardware, or slightly beefier?  We are thinking of replacing the old,
> bulky, power-hungry machine currently running exit
> 78C7C299DB4C4BD119A22B87B57D5AF5F3741A79 with something on that level.
> It only has to hit 10Mbps.
> 
> thanks,
> zw
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Hi, used to run a Banana PI with Debian as a TOR Relay. This is not 
recommendable since the system froze after a while. Although this could just 
be my system that is unstable. 

but from my experience I can not recommend it. 
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Re: [tor-relays] #torstrike

[I]

This thread should be moved to [ tor-knitting-cir...@lists.torproject.org ] or 
write to The Tor Corporation you think exists.

Robert

> -Original Message-
> From: tor-am...@foofus.com
> Sent: Sun, 21 Aug 2016 20:35:50 -0700
> To: tor-relays@lists.torproject.org
> Subject: Re: [tor-relays] #torstrike
> 
> I'm not switching off my relay, primarily because I'm lazy and can't be
> arsed to figure out what all the politics bullshit is about.
> 
> Some project member did some shit and other project members are mad at
> them. Other people may or may not be righteously mad at the first people
> for reasons I haven't bothered to learn.
> 
> I started my relay so oppressed people in third world countries could
> communicate with the outside world and each other in relative safety. If
> that objective is still being achieved by the software, I could give a
> shit
> what beefs the coders have with each other.
> 
> 
> 
> On Sun, Aug 21, 2016 at 8:14 PM, krishna e bera 
> wrote:
> 
>> On 21/08/16 10:02 PM, Zenaan Harkness wrote:
>>> Fact: Jacob Applebaum's directory authority was a target of NSA's
>>> XKEYSCORE:
>>> https://contraspin.co.nz/the-weaponising-of-social-part-3-
>> the-resurrection-of-ioerror/
>> 
>> Of course, perhaps they all are.
>> 
>>> Fact: Jacob Applebaum got kicked from Tor Inc, prior to a proper
>>> investigation.
>> 
>> Any organization would do the same with similar allegations.  If he was
>> exonerated, he could rejoin afterwards.
>> 
>> 
>>> Fact: The investigation done by Tor Inc, was run by the primary
>>> accusers
>>> of Jacob Applebaum.
>> 
>> Evidence?
>> 
>> 
>>> In the USA's war against Bradley Manning, Julian Assange, Wikileaks and
>>> Edward Snowden, Jacob Applebaum was a very high target, and caused the
>>> three letter agencies a lot of problems.
>>> 
>>> So yes, operation of the network you use for -genuine- privacy needs,
>>> is
>>> very much dependent on those running the organisation.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Fact: The ENTIRE board of Tor Inc got replaced after Jacob was given
>>> the
>>> boot!
>>> 
>>> My conclusion: This was a coup, blunt and bloody, take no prisoners,
>>> respect no righteousness.
>> 
>> Overdramatic.  Where's the blood?  Who was behind the coup, and what
>> hard evidence do you have?  Are you looking for #torstrike to prompt
>> leaks of such info?
>> 
>> Makes more sense for the Board to be distinct from the day to day
>> operations people anyway.
>> 
>> 
>>> My conclusion: The operation of the Tor directory authorities can no
>>> longer be trusted.
>> 
>> Perhaps it never could be.  Are you ready to run one?
>> 
>> 
>>> My conclusion: The deployment of TBB by Tor Inc can no longer be
>>> trusted.
>> 
>> Fork it.
>> 
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