Re: [tor-relays] Abuse Complaints
I have been running an exit at Linode.com for a month now - no complaints yet On 2018/08/29 06:38, Paul Templeton wrote: Question: are exit operators seeing many abuse complaints now days? I have only had one in the last two months from 5 exits. I used to see a lot now nothing really. I just find it weird. Paul 137CF322859E400455E457DB920F65FFDD222CDF ___ tor-relays mailing list tor-relays@lists.torproject.org https://lists.torproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/tor-relays ___ tor-relays mailing list tor-relays@lists.torproject.org https://lists.torproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/tor-relays
Re: [tor-relays] The truth about Greypony
Who cares if someone is annoying or peculiar if they contribute positively?What should matter is whether their effort aligns with the collective good, in my opinion.https://metrics.torproject.org/rs.html#details/FF79CA5A50970E21E9AB320CE62C2178E963970CThat says over 17 MB/sec which would tend to support the other claims of speed.Rob ___ tor-relays mailing list tor-relays@lists.torproject.org https://lists.torproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/tor-relays
Re: [tor-relays] 4 of Conrad Rockenhaus trial servers are in the top ten exit relays for Canada
Just banish them from Tor already! They are ruining our network, they lie about their network speeds, and they lie about their capabilities. On Tue, Aug 28, 2018 at 11:37 PM teor wrote: > Hi Conrad (and staff and operators), > > > On 28 Aug 2018, at 22:16, Conrad Rockenhaus > wrote: > > > >> > >> On Aug 27, 2018, at 8:02 PM, Jordan wrote: > >> > >>> ... > >>> The research in this paper ( > https://www.freehaven.net/anonbib/cache/DBLP:conf/ccs/EdmanS09.pdf) is > becoming more relevent and is worth discussing as more ISPs come out with > the goal of hosting lots and lots of exit relays. > >> > >> ... > >> I have the utmost belief your intentions are good, but the > concentration of exits under a non-advertised central control warrants > conversation, at least. > >> > >> If the end goal is turning $ into relays, not all paths are paved with > equal mind to security and it might be worth considering donation-backed > alternatives. > > > > Actually, Jordan, I appreciate your input, but Greypony is technically > operating as a nonprofit organization right now. We’re completing the > paperwork to be considered an official nonprofit. We allow people to > operate their own relay, on their own HVM instance (which we don’t have > access to) for a donation of $15/month for a basic model A instance. > > > > They’re totally separately and independently operated relays. We don’t > tell them how to operate their relays. We provide support, we provide > suggestions, but we don’t operate it for them, we don’t install anything > for them, and we’re completely hands off unless they need support with > something. Our job is to provide the instance and the bandwidth. > > This is the 5th list post in the last few weeks describing Greypony IT's > services, operators, or relays. > > There have also been several critical posts. > > Please take a break from promoting or criticising Greypony on this list > until at least October 2018. > > If you feel the need to respond, please use another platform. > > Thanks > > T > ___ > tor-relays mailing list > tor-relays@lists.torproject.org > https://lists.torproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/tor-relays > ___ tor-relays mailing list tor-relays@lists.torproject.org https://lists.torproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/tor-relays
[tor-relays] Abuse Complaints
Question: are exit operators seeing many abuse complaints now days? I have only had one in the last two months from 5 exits. I used to see a lot now nothing really. I just find it weird. Paul 137CF322859E400455E457DB920F65FFDD222CDF ___ tor-relays mailing list tor-relays@lists.torproject.org https://lists.torproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/tor-relays
Re: [tor-relays] 4 of Conrad Rockenhaus trial servers are in the top ten exit relays for Canada
Hi Conrad (and staff and operators), > On 28 Aug 2018, at 22:16, Conrad Rockenhaus wrote: > >> >> On Aug 27, 2018, at 8:02 PM, Jordan wrote: >> >>> ... >>> The research in this paper >>> (https://www.freehaven.net/anonbib/cache/DBLP:conf/ccs/EdmanS09.pdf) is >>> becoming more relevent and is worth discussing as more ISPs come out with >>> the goal of hosting lots and lots of exit relays. >> >> ... >> I have the utmost belief your intentions are good, but the concentration of >> exits under a non-advertised central control warrants conversation, at least. >> >> If the end goal is turning $ into relays, not all paths are paved with equal >> mind to security and it might be worth considering donation-backed >> alternatives. > > Actually, Jordan, I appreciate your input, but Greypony is technically > operating as a nonprofit organization right now. We’re completing the > paperwork to be considered an official nonprofit. We allow people to operate > their own relay, on their own HVM instance (which we don’t have access to) > for a donation of $15/month for a basic model A instance. > > They’re totally separately and independently operated relays. We don’t tell > them how to operate their relays. We provide support, we provide suggestions, > but we don’t operate it for them, we don’t install anything for them, and > we’re completely hands off unless they need support with something. Our job > is to provide the instance and the bandwidth. This is the 5th list post in the last few weeks describing Greypony IT's services, operators, or relays. There have also been several critical posts. Please take a break from promoting or criticising Greypony on this list until at least October 2018. If you feel the need to respond, please use another platform. Thanks T signature.asc Description: Message signed with OpenPGP ___ tor-relays mailing list tor-relays@lists.torproject.org https://lists.torproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/tor-relays
Re: [tor-relays] The truth about Greypony
I am not a troll and I am merely trying to have a conversation about this horrible company after the emotional toll the have done to this community. Did you know that Conrad was in the US Navy and served in Afghanistan and Iraq? Is this the type of guy you want to trust with your relay? I bet you are covering for him because you know there is no legitimate customer and you know that by saying "Do not feed the trolls" no one will think the wiser. On Tue, Aug 28, 2018 at 11:23 PM teor wrote: > Hi, > > This post is off-topic, and further discussion of this issue is off-topic. > > Please don't feed the trolls. > > A reminder: > > This list is for "support and questions about running Tor relays". > > Please: > * keep on topic, we are here to help each other run Tor relays > * make sure each post contains new, useful information > * avoid promoting or criticising the same providers more than once > a month > > https://lists.torproject.org/pipermail/tor-relays/2018-August/015992.html > > T > ___ > tor-relays mailing list > tor-relays@lists.torproject.org > https://lists.torproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/tor-relays > ___ tor-relays mailing list tor-relays@lists.torproject.org https://lists.torproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/tor-relays
Re: [tor-relays] The truth about Greypony
Hi, This post is off-topic, and further discussion of this issue is off-topic. Please don't feed the trolls. A reminder: This list is for "support and questions about running Tor relays". Please: * keep on topic, we are here to help each other run Tor relays * make sure each post contains new, useful information * avoid promoting or criticising the same providers more than once a month https://lists.torproject.org/pipermail/tor-relays/2018-August/015992.html T signature.asc Description: Message signed with OpenPGP ___ tor-relays mailing list tor-relays@lists.torproject.org https://lists.torproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/tor-relays
[tor-relays] The truth about Greypony
The truth must come out eventually about the menace known as Greypony. Now that people are beginning to realize what a menace to our network Greypony really is maybe this information will finally get us to banish him once and for all. Greypony has no real customers. You will not find a legitimate customer because they do not exist. They are all one Conrad Rockenhaus. Just so you know. Do you know any of the people that are bragging about using Greypony? Are they true professionals that use Tor? I do not think so. Find one person that you can legitimately trust that has used Greypony or that has dealt with Rockenhaus legitimately and you will not find one because such a person does not exist. Greypony lies about their bandwidth numbers. Those numbers are impossible. How are they eclipsing some of the fastest tor exits on the Internet? How are they operating the fastest exits in Canada? By lying about their numbers and cheating. What are Rockenhaus' motives for doing this? He says he wants to help Tor but we all know that he is full of it. Why would someone like him want to help us? We do not need someone like him. We can do better. We are better. Let us apply a little chemotherapy to the cancer and kill off Greypony. ___ tor-relays mailing list tor-relays@lists.torproject.org https://lists.torproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/tor-relays
Re: [tor-relays] switching to OfflineMasterKey mode
Thanks for the heads up. On Tue, Aug 28, 2018 at 8:42 PM teor wrote: > > > On 29 Aug 2018, at 05:38, nusenu wrote: > > > > Signed PGP part > > > > > > Nathaniel Suchy: > >> Is there a way to switch my current relays to use offline keys and > >> invalidate the old keys without losing current stats? > > > > you can switch between the modes (OfflineMasterKey 0|1) but to get the > best out of it, > > it is best to start with fresh masterkeys that never touched an online > > system > > > > (that means, creating a new set of keys and loosing the > "history"/reputation of the relay) > > To be clear: > > You must create a new ed25519 key *and* a new RSA key. > > If you only change one, the directory authorities will drop your relay > from the consensus. (This "key-pinning" is a security feature.) > > T > ___ > tor-relays mailing list > tor-relays@lists.torproject.org > https://lists.torproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/tor-relays > ___ tor-relays mailing list tor-relays@lists.torproject.org https://lists.torproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/tor-relays
Re: [tor-relays] switching to OfflineMasterKey mode
> On 29 Aug 2018, at 05:38, nusenu wrote: > > Signed PGP part > > > Nathaniel Suchy: >> Is there a way to switch my current relays to use offline keys and >> invalidate the old keys without losing current stats? > > you can switch between the modes (OfflineMasterKey 0|1) but to get the best > out of it, > it is best to start with fresh masterkeys that never touched an online > system > > (that means, creating a new set of keys and loosing the "history"/reputation > of the relay) To be clear: You must create a new ed25519 key *and* a new RSA key. If you only change one, the directory authorities will drop your relay from the consensus. (This "key-pinning" is a security feature.) T signature.asc Description: Message signed with OpenPGP ___ tor-relays mailing list tor-relays@lists.torproject.org https://lists.torproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/tor-relays
Re: [tor-relays] switching to OfflineMasterKey mode
Nathaniel Suchy: > Is there a way to switch my current relays to use offline keys and > invalidate the old keys without losing current stats? you can switch between the modes (OfflineMasterKey 0|1) but to get the best out of it, it is best to start with fresh masterkeys that never touched an online system (that means, creating a new set of keys and loosing the "history"/reputation of the relay) -- https://twitter.com/nusenu_ https://mastodon.social/@nusenu signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature ___ tor-relays mailing list tor-relays@lists.torproject.org https://lists.torproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/tor-relays
Re: [tor-relays] Should a hoster be considered a relay operator because he hosts relays? I don't think so.
Sorry for late. Whats up...? here is my : alexflores866@yahoo.comtlak to here... Sent from my iPhone On Wednesday, August 29, 2018 1:07 AM, Nathaniel Suchy wrote: Is there a way to switch my current relays to use offline keys and invalidate the old keys without losing current stats? On Tue, Aug 28, 2018 at 7:28 AM nusenu wrote: Jordan: > I'd be much more supportive of the typical "donate x to have a relay > hosted for you" [1][2] rather than "host a relay with us" without > maintaining them under the same family. > > If relays are running on his machines and he has access to relay > keys, Not necessarily, it depends on what keys. You can run a relay on infrastructure, without exposing the relay's ed25519 identity keys to that infrastructure (and therefore the hoster) https://trac.torproject.org/projects/tor/wiki/doc/TorRelaySecurity/OfflineKeys -- https://twitter.com/nusenu_ https://mastodon.social/@nusenu ___ tor-relays mailing list tor-relays@lists.torproject.org https://lists.torproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/tor-relays ___ tor-relays mailing list tor-relays@lists.torproject.org https://lists.torproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/tor-relays | | Virus-free. www.avast.com | ___ tor-relays mailing list tor-relays@lists.torproject.org https://lists.torproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/tor-relays
Re: [tor-relays] Should a hoster be considered a relay operator because he hosts relays? I don't think so.
Is there a way to switch my current relays to use offline keys and invalidate the old keys without losing current stats? On Tue, Aug 28, 2018 at 7:28 AM nusenu wrote: > Jordan: > > I'd be much more supportive of the typical "donate x to have a relay > > hosted for you" [1][2] rather than "host a relay with us" without > > maintaining them under the same family. > > > > If relays are running on his machines and he has access to relay > > keys, > > Not necessarily, it depends on what keys. > You can run a relay on infrastructure, without exposing the relay's > ed25519 identity keys to that infrastructure (and therefore the hoster) > > > https://trac.torproject.org/projects/tor/wiki/doc/TorRelaySecurity/OfflineKeys > > > -- > https://twitter.com/nusenu_ > https://mastodon.social/@nusenu > > ___ > tor-relays mailing list > tor-relays@lists.torproject.org > https://lists.torproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/tor-relays > ___ tor-relays mailing list tor-relays@lists.torproject.org https://lists.torproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/tor-relays
Re: [tor-relays] Individual Operator Exit Probability Threshold
> Yes, there are compiled tor relay packages for BSD, they exist in packages -
> for FreeBSD is pkg install tor and for OpenBSD it’s pkg_add tor.
https://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/handbook/
https://www.openbsd.org/faq/index.html
> For FreeBSD, you’ll want to switch packages from quarterly to latest prior
> to installing tor though.
/etc/pkg/FreeBSD.conf:
url: "pkg+https://pkg.FreeBSD.org/${ABI}/latest";,
> You may also compile from source - the ports collection is available on each
> instance.
If not using ports, only the libevent and tor tarballs from
their sites are needed, they work fine.
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[tor-relays] [release] ExoneraTor 3.0.1
Hi relay operators, today we released ExoneraTor 3.0.1 which fixes links to IP addresses in the same /24 or /48 IP network (#27266). This is also the first release after making several code improvements, which ideally should not affect operation. But just in case something breaks that was previously working, this could be the reason. Please direct any comments or questions to the (public) metrics-team mailing list: https://lists.torproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/metrics-team All the best, Karsten signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature ___ tor-relays mailing list tor-relays@lists.torproject.org https://lists.torproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/tor-relays
Re: [tor-relays] Individual Operator Exit Probability Threshold
The website is old and has been updated. We are providing up do 100 MiB/s now. Thanks, Conrad > On Aug 28, 2018, at 7:16 AM, livak wrote: > > 10 MiB/s may right for me, but I would try to get > as much bandwidth as I could, up to the 10% of the > consensus weight limit criteria. > > Livak > > > Sent with ProtonMail Secure Email. > > ‐‐‐ Original Message ‐‐‐ > On August 25, 2018 11:56 PM, Paul Templeton wrote: > >>> About finding sponsors for high speed exits, it could be nice >>> to gather ideas. >> >> Can I ask what is a high speed/capacity exit? For me it would be >10MiB/s am >> I correct? >> >> Paul >> >> tor-relays mailing list >> tor-relays@lists.torproject.org >> https://lists.torproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/tor-relays > > > ___ > tor-relays mailing list > tor-relays@lists.torproject.org > https://lists.torproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/tor-relays signature.asc Description: Message signed with OpenPGP ___ tor-relays mailing list tor-relays@lists.torproject.org https://lists.torproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/tor-relays
Re: [tor-relays] Individual Operator Exit Probability Threshold
Hi Livak, Yes, there are compiled tor relay packages for BSD, they exist in packages - for FreeBSD is pkg install tor and for OpenBSD it’s pkg_add tor. For FreeBSD, you’ll want to switch packages from quarterly to latest prior to installing tor though. You may also compile from source - the ports collection is available on each instance. Thanks, Conrad > On Aug 28, 2018, at 7:09 AM, livak wrote: > > Hi Conrad: > > I'm pretty sure I'm taking your offer about the free trial. > > I'm having a question, though: > > I think there are no compiled tor relay packages for BSD, > so I may compile it on my own, right ? > > Livak > > > Sent with ProtonMail Secure Emai signature.asc Description: Message signed with OpenPGP ___ tor-relays mailing list tor-relays@lists.torproject.org https://lists.torproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/tor-relays
Re: [tor-relays] Individual Operator Exit Probability Threshold
10 MiB/s may right for me, but I would try to get as much bandwidth as I could, up to the 10% of the consensus weight limit criteria. Livak Sent with ProtonMail Secure Email. ‐‐‐ Original Message ‐‐‐ On August 25, 2018 11:56 PM, Paul Templeton wrote: > > About finding sponsors for high speed exits, it could be nice > > to gather ideas. > > Can I ask what is a high speed/capacity exit? For me it would be >10MiB/s am > I correct? > > Paul > > tor-relays mailing list > tor-relays@lists.torproject.org > https://lists.torproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/tor-relays ___ tor-relays mailing list tor-relays@lists.torproject.org https://lists.torproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/tor-relays
Re: [tor-relays] 4 of Conrad Rockenhaus trial servers are in the top ten exit relays for Canada
> On Aug 27, 2018, at 8:02 PM, Jordan wrote: > >> Tor will already avoid making circuits where two IP Addresses in the same >> /24 are involved. The research in this paper >> (https://www.freehaven.net/anonbib/cache/DBLP:conf/ccs/EdmanS09.pdf) is >> becoming more relevent and is worth discussing as more ISPs come out with >> the goal of hosting lots and lots of exit relays. > > A valid point, thanks for linking the paper. I have the utmost belief your > intentions are good, but the concentration of exits under a non-advertised > central control warrants conversation, at least. > > If the end goal is turning $ into relays, not all paths are paved with equal > mind to security and it might be worth considering donation-backed > alternatives. > > Have a good one, > > -- > Jordan > https://yui.cat/ Actually, Jordan, I appreciate your input, but Greypony is technically operating as a nonprofit organization right now. We’re completing the paperwork to be considered an official nonprofit. We allow people to operate their own relay, on their own HVM instance (which we don’t have access to) for a donation of $15/month for a basic model A instance. They’re totally separately and independently operated relays. We don’t tell them how to operate their relays. We provide support, we provide suggestions, but we don’t operate it for them, we don’t install anything for them, and we’re completely hands off unless they need support with something. Our job is to provide the instance and the bandwidth. Thank you, Conrad signature.asc Description: Message signed with OpenPGP ___ tor-relays mailing list tor-relays@lists.torproject.org https://lists.torproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/tor-relays
Re: [tor-relays] Individual Operator Exit Probability Threshold
Hi Conrad: I'm pretty sure I'm taking your offer about the free trial. I'm having a question, though: I think there are no compiled tor relay packages for BSD, so I may compile it on my own, right ? Livak Sent with ProtonMail Secure Email. ‐‐‐ Original Message ‐‐‐ On August 26, 2018 2:49 PM, Conrad Rockenhaus wrote: > > On Aug 25, 2018, at 6:56 PM, Paul Templeton p...@coffswifi.net wrote: > > > > > About finding sponsors for high speed exits, it could be nice > > > to gather ideas. > > > > Can I ask what is a high speed/capacity exit? For me it would be >10MiB/s > > am I correct? > > Paul > > I’m not advertising, but I run a nonprofit organization that offers instances > to run Tor exits that burst up to 1 Gbit/s for $15/month with no caps on data > transfer and guaranteed bandwidth. One person who runs an exit within this > group has the fastest exit in Canada at this point. $15/mo is three cups of > coffee from Starbucks, a meal at a restaurant, or going to a movie. I have > been told that this is an excessive charge and quite frankly some of the > excuses I read were ridiculous. > > Do people really need to pursue corporate sponsorship when you can get fast > exits starting at $15/mo? Get three guys to give up a cup of coffee and you > have an exit. Done. > > There’s other organizations as well, but I just brought up my own because, > well, I know my own pricing the best. > > Livak- > > Would you like to have a server dedicated just to you? I’m game, I’ll even > chip in, if you put some skin in the game. I have some conditions: > > 1. It has to run a BSD Operating System > 2. No Corporate sponsorship. Corporate Sponsors want governance, which we > don’t want. A sponsor is never hands off. > 3. You must find some people that are willing to chip in to pay for the > bandwidth costs of this server. I’m not going to completely sponsor you. I > have spent enough supporting Tor exits over the past three months. > 4. Over 9000? > > Excluding colocation costs, power, and all of that stuff I pay, it’s > about $85/server, and I’m estimating here, so you’re probably winning in the > end. Get a couple of people to throw you $10, you throw in a couple of bucks, > then bam, done. Easy day, mission accomplished, and not in the Bush way > either. > > Thanks, > > Conrad > ___ tor-relays mailing list tor-relays@lists.torproject.org https://lists.torproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/tor-relays
Re: [tor-relays] Should a hoster be considered a relay operator because he hosts relays? I don't think so.
Jordan: > I'd be much more supportive of the typical "donate x to have a relay > hosted for you" [1][2] rather than "host a relay with us" without > maintaining them under the same family. > > If relays are running on his machines and he has access to relay > keys, Not necessarily, it depends on what keys. You can run a relay on infrastructure, without exposing the relay's ed25519 identity keys to that infrastructure (and therefore the hoster) https://trac.torproject.org/projects/tor/wiki/doc/TorRelaySecurity/OfflineKeys -- https://twitter.com/nusenu_ https://mastodon.social/@nusenu signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature ___ tor-relays mailing list tor-relays@lists.torproject.org https://lists.torproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/tor-relays
