Re: [tor-relays] 10 Years Torservers.net: Death or Future?

2019-08-07 Thread teor 
Hi niftybunny, Mitar,

> On 7 Aug 2019, at 17:37, niftybunny  
> wrote:
> 
> Thats complete and utter bullshit.

After thinking about it for a while, I have allowed this email through 
moderation.

I considered rejecting it, because this thread is getting repetitive.
And it seems like you're getting frustrated, because you don't agree with each 
other.
Disagreements are ok, but sometimes you need to summarise, then move on.

Please stay on topic, provide new, useful information, and stay calm.

If that doesn't happen, we might reject or delay future emails on this thread.

T



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Re: [tor-relays] 10 Years Torservers.net: Death or Future?

2019-08-07 Thread niftybunny 
Thats complete and utter bullshit.

First off, nice to see you are fighting for the good in the world, while having 
a company in Delaware. Paying 0% taxes. Fuck the working poor, fuck all 
taxpayers and fuck the government that need these taxes … nice touch .

https://docs.opencollective.com/help/about/company 


The point of a non profit is that donations to it are tax deductible.

Donations from NON EU organisations are NON  tax deductible. Paragraph.

https://www.steuerberater-haffner.de/wissenswertes/steuertipps-steuertricks/auslandsspenden/
 


https://www.expat-news.com/13146/recht-steuern-im-ausland/wann-spenden-ins-ausland-steuerlich-absetzbar-sind/
 


https://www.buhl.de/steuernsparen/spenden-ins-ausland-2/ 


https://winheller.com/blog/auslandsspenden-an-stiftung-in-der-eu/ 


You can donate to EU non profits but the DONOR has to PROOF without  doubt that 
these organisations have the same non profits standards as a German one.

https://www.esche.de/news/publikationen/compact-2009/compact-spezial-stiftungen-022009/spenden-ins-eu-ausland-abzugsfaehig-eugh-entscheidet-in-der-rechtssache-persche/
 



Non donor will do this.  Even if he will try its almost impossible and lots of 
lots of work.

For your 5% cut you offer some shiny badges and things nobody really needs. 
Getting under an umbrella organisation is extra.

https://opencollective.com/hosts

You are misleading the donors and everyone with this setup.

Avoid like the plague.

> On 6. Aug 2019, at 18:56, Mitar  wrote:
> 
> Hi!
> 
> On Tue, Aug 6, 2019 at 6:30 AM niftybunny
>  wrote:
>> Okay, I´ll bite. How do they solve this?
> 
> You can see the list of hosts they have here:
> 
> https://opencollective.com/hosts
> 
>> They have ready made non profits in Germany (eingetragener gemeinnütziger 
>> Verein) that I can use and rename and you will take care of it?
> 
> You do not rename. They are just fiscal sponsor:
> 
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fiscal_sponsorship
> 
> That process is being abstracted by Open Collective.
> 
>> And the 6 people will be delivered to?
> 
> I do not understand what you mean by this.
> 
>> So basically slavery with extra steps and a  5% cut ...
> 
> I do not understand what you mean by this. It is a service they offer
> so you do not have to take care of non-profits yourself. If you want
> to take care, great. But if you have lack of (human) resources to take
> care, then you can use their service. How is this slavery? It looks
> pretty voluntary to engage with them (do the degree of business
> partnerships being voluntary in our society).
> 
> 
> Mitar
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Re: [tor-relays] Measuring the Accuracy of Tor Relays' Advertised Bandwidths

2019-08-07 Thread Logforme 

On 2019-08-06 23:31:39, "Rob Jansen"  wrote:


Today, I started running the speedtest on all relays in the network. So far, I 
have finished about 100 relays (and counting). I expect that the advertised 
bandwidths reported by metrics will increase over the next few days. For this 
to happen, the bandwidth histories observed by a relay during my speedtest are 
first committed to the bandwidth history table (within 24 hours), and then 
reported in the server descriptors (within 18-36 hours, depending on when the 
bandwidth history commit happens).


Looks like my relays got measured:
https://nerdin.se:12445/index.php/s/5LhwAzP61CHSJZ7
https://nerdin.se:12445/index.php/s/favR4ISXZKgICCa

My connection is 500 Mbit and the measurements got very close to that. 
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Re: [tor-relays] Running gigabit relay

2019-08-07 Thread Rob Jansen 


> On Aug 6, 2019, at 8:17 PM, teor  wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> 
>> On 6 Aug 2019, at 20:12, Mitar  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi!
>> 
>> I have deployed it:
>> 
>> https://metrics.torproject.org/rs.html#details/567E9785458C605E59202755C74898E3C96FB1CC
>> 
>> On gigabit fiber, using this NUC:
>> 
>> https://ark.intel.com/content/www/us/en/ark/products/126140/intel-nuc-kit-nuc8i7beh.html
>> 
>> Now I just have to wait for traffic to build-up to see if it can
>> really achieve gigabit. Is there any way to speed this process up? Is
>> there anyone who would like to do some circuits through the node to
>> exercise its bandwidth a bit?
> 
> Rob might like to test your relay, because it should show a big speed
> increase if his tests are working.

The result over the 20 second measurement is below. You should see Tor metrics 
get updated within about 24 hours.

Peace, love, and positivity,
Rob

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432.7944107055664 mbit/s
895.6919174194336 mbit/s
874.1641845703125 mbit/s
887.5885925292969 mbit/s
893.9453659057617 mbit/s
889.0330429077148 mbit/s
890.8471984863281 mbit/s
894.3734512329102 mbit/s
895.8067245483398 mbit/s
900.4853210449219 mbit/s
900.6352462768555 mbit/s
890.7599563598633 mbit/s
895.5899658203125 mbit/s
897.7090148925781 mbit/s
890.3787384033203 mbit/s
897.9648971557617 mbit/s
897.6359939575195 mbit/s
886.5202789306641 mbit/s
876.5180358886719 mbit/s
893.7390213012695 mbit/s
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[tor-relays] Configuring SQM on nodes

2019-08-07 Thread Mitar 
Hi!

Has anyone tested how does configuring SQM on Tor nodes influence the
quality of circuits over the node? Throughput, latency? So given that
circuits have 3 hops in serial I would assume that any
buffering/latency issues on nodes combine in a bad way. So using some
smart queue management (SQM) might improve things?

https://www.bufferbloat.net/projects/bloat/wiki/More_about_Bufferbloat/#why-does-sqm-work-so-well

So besides bandwidth measurements of nodes, should we also measure
latency contributions by nodes? I think this is the whole idea behind
the Bufferbloat movement, that it does not matter for user experience
the final throughput if you have bad latency. That what most users
perceive as "fast" is in fact good latency experience.

Tor have notions of sustained and burst bandwidth, but this to me
looks like just simplified QoS configurations. Shouldn't a better
configuration be "do not increase latency by more than X"? Then if you
hit the bandwidth limit, you are obviously increasing the latency more
because some packets are not getting through. But it also captures the
behavior better than "bursting is allowed up to Y".


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Re: [tor-relays] 10 Years Torservers.net: Death or Future?

2019-08-07 Thread Mitar 
Hi!

One interesting option could be that the existing tor servers
non-profit applies as a host organization. And then other tor-based
projects could be fiscally sponsored by it. That means other tor-based
projects would not have to have/be a non-profit (and could decide to
not take any pay cut). But it would not solve the current problem
which seems to be the lack of people to run the tor servers non-profit
itself. Also, I think it is better if donations would be collected for
all projects and distribute that instead of individual projects trying
to raise donations.


Mitar

On Tue, Aug 6, 2019 at 9:56 AM Mitar  wrote:
>
> Hi!
>
> On Tue, Aug 6, 2019 at 6:30 AM niftybunny
>  wrote:
> > Okay, I´ll bite. How do they solve this?
>
> You can see the list of hosts they have here:
>
> https://opencollective.com/hosts
>
> > They have ready made non profits in Germany (eingetragener gemeinnütziger 
> > Verein) that I can use and rename and you will take care of it?
>
> You do not rename. They are just fiscal sponsor:
>
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fiscal_sponsorship
>
> That process is being abstracted by Open Collective.
>
> > And the 6 people will be delivered to?
>
> I do not understand what you mean by this.
>
> > So basically slavery with extra steps and a  5% cut ...
>
> I do not understand what you mean by this. It is a service they offer
> so you do not have to take care of non-profits yourself. If you want
> to take care, great. But if you have lack of (human) resources to take
> care, then you can use their service. How is this slavery? It looks
> pretty voluntary to engage with them (do the degree of business
> partnerships being voluntary in our society).
>
>
> Mitar
>
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Re: [tor-relays] 10 Years Torservers.net: Death or Future?

2019-08-07 Thread Mitar 
Hi!

On Tue, Aug 6, 2019 at 6:30 AM niftybunny
 wrote:
> Okay, I´ll bite. How do they solve this?

You can see the list of hosts they have here:

https://opencollective.com/hosts

> They have ready made non profits in Germany (eingetragener gemeinnütziger 
> Verein) that I can use and rename and you will take care of it?

You do not rename. They are just fiscal sponsor:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fiscal_sponsorship

That process is being abstracted by Open Collective.

> And the 6 people will be delivered to?

I do not understand what you mean by this.

> So basically slavery with extra steps and a  5% cut ...

I do not understand what you mean by this. It is a service they offer
so you do not have to take care of non-profits yourself. If you want
to take care, great. But if you have lack of (human) resources to take
care, then you can use their service. How is this slavery? It looks
pretty voluntary to engage with them (do the degree of business
partnerships being voluntary in our society).


Mitar

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