Re: [tor-relays] FW: What's a "useful" mailing list contributor? (was Re: What's a "useful" relay?)

2017-01-16 Thread Kenneth Freeman 
Tor could use an Eternal September.

On 01/16/2017 10:11 PM, grarpamp wrote:
> I would support Rana's volunteer proposal as described,
> and growing integration, as being a beneficial contribution.
> Let us not forget, all begin as noobs to a norm, and full
> normalization may be chilling to diversity.




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Re: [tor-relays] FW: What's a "useful" mailing list contributor? (was Re: What's a "useful" relay?)

2017-01-16 Thread grarpamp 
I would support Rana's volunteer proposal as described,
and growing integration, as being a beneficial contribution.
Let us not forget, all begin as noobs to a norm, and full
normalization may be chilling to diversity.
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Re: [tor-relays] FW: What's a "useful" mailing list contributor?

2017-01-11 Thread mick 
On 11 January 2017 12:28:44 GMT+00:00, Ralph Seichter 
 wrote:
>On 11.01.2017 06:30, Roman Mamedov wrote:
>
>Roman, you nailed it. The "September that never ended" is now well into
>its 24th year, 

Ralph

You are showing your age...

+1 to Roman BTW

Mick


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Re: [tor-relays] FW: What's a "useful" mailing list contributor?

2017-01-11 Thread Ralph Seichter 
On 11.01.2017 06:30, Roman Mamedov wrote:

> On Wed, 11 Jan 2017 07:09:27 +0200
> "Rana"  wrote:
>
> > Wow. I offer to maintain a FAQ for small relays and in return I get
> > this. Unsubscribed.
>
> Those were all reasonable requests laid out in a clear and polite
> fashion. If you don't want to follow etiquette of a community, never
> listen and instead throw a tantrum at the earliest opportunity, I have
> to wonder how useful any "FAQ" would have been with a maintainer like
> that. IMO your decision is a good one, please don't consider to reverse
> it.

Roman, you nailed it. The "September that never ended" is now well into
its 24th year, but the refusal by some to adhere to netiquette that has
proven to make mailing lists productive and worthwhile is still quite
annoying to observe.

-Ralph
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Re: [tor-relays] FW: What's a "useful" mailing list contributor? (was Re: What's a "useful" relay?)

2017-01-10 Thread Dave Warren 
On Tue, Jan 10, 2017, at 21:09, Rana wrote:
> Wow. I offer to maintain a FAQ for small relays and in return I get this. 
> Unsubscribed.

While the FAQ could have been useful, if being asked to learn how to
post properly on a mailing list causes an instant flameout, I wonder
whether the FAQ would have gone any further.

Too bad, it could make for a useful resource, perhaps someone stable
will volunteer?

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Re: [tor-relays] FW: What's a "useful" mailing list contributor? (was Re: What's a "useful" relay?)

2017-01-10 Thread Roman Mamedov 
On Wed, 11 Jan 2017 07:09:27 +0200
"Rana"  wrote:

> Wow. I offer to maintain a FAQ for small relays and in return I get this. 
> Unsubscribed.

Those were all reasonable requests laid out in a clear and polite fashion.
If you don't want to follow etiquette of a community, never listen and instead
throw a tantrum at the earliest opportunity, I have to wonder how useful any
"FAQ" would have been with a maintainer like that. IMO your decision is a good
one, please don't consider to reverse it.

>  On 3 Jan 2017, at 17:57, Rana   > wrote:
>  
>  @teor
>  I hereby volunteer to maintain a FAQ for operators of small relays (or noob 
> operators). Which means I would be watching this list, generating the Q and 
> from time to time alerting this list to the appearance of new questions and 
> answers, to allow knowledgeable people to do quality control. And/or inviting 
> people to convert their answers on this list  to the FAQ answers. This would 
> relieve them from answering the same question over and over again and reduce 
> the influx of questions from noobs (like myself J). I believe this would also 
> strengthen the community and reduce the frustration of small relay operators  
> and – who knows? – even lead to advancements in Tor design to make better use 
> of them.
> 
> I would appreciate that, but please learn some mailing list etiquette
> first. Otherwise, your contributions may be ignored by many people on
> the list.
> 
> Some examples:
> * make sure each email adds something valuable to the conversation
> * structure your emails well:
>   * learn how to bottom-post, even if your email client doesn't support
> it
>   * learn how to quote others' emails to provide context to your
> response
> * try to write succinctly
> * keep the volume of your emails down:
>   * write one response to a thread each day
>   * search for similar threads before starting a new one
>   * wait until an active thread is finished before starting a new one
>  Caveat: I need someone (Tor project people) to create the Wiki on the site 
> and let me admin it.
> 
> Demonstrate you can do the things above, and I'll gladly set this up
> for you.
> 
> 
> T
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[tor-relays] FW: What's a "useful" mailing list contributor? (was Re: What's a "useful" relay?)

2017-01-10 Thread Rana 
Wow. I offer to maintain a FAQ for small relays and in return I get this. 
Unsubscribed.
 
 On 3 Jan 2017, at 17:57, Rana  > wrote:
 
 @teor
 I hereby volunteer to maintain a FAQ for operators of small relays (or noob 
operators). Which means I would be watching this list, generating the Q and 
from time to time alerting this list to the appearance of new questions and 
answers, to allow knowledgeable people to do quality control. And/or inviting 
people to convert their answers on this list  to the FAQ answers. This would 
relieve them from answering the same question over and over again and reduce 
the influx of questions from noobs (like myself J). I believe this would also 
strengthen the community and reduce the frustration of small relay operators  
and – who knows? – even lead to advancements in Tor design to make better use 
of them.

I would appreciate that, but please learn some mailing list etiquette
first. Otherwise, your contributions may be ignored by many people on
the list.

Some examples:
* make sure each email adds something valuable to the conversation
* structure your emails well:
  * learn how to bottom-post, even if your email client doesn't support
it
  * learn how to quote others' emails to provide context to your
response
* try to write succinctly
* keep the volume of your emails down:
  * write one response to a thread each day
  * search for similar threads before starting a new one
  * wait until an active thread is finished before starting a new one
 Caveat: I need someone (Tor project people) to create the Wiki on the site and 
let me admin it.

Demonstrate you can do the things above, and I'll gladly set this up
for you.


T

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