Re: [tor-relays] MiB/s / metrics
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hi grarpamp, thanks for the detailed explanation. I just changed MiB/s to Gbit/s. All the best, Karsten On 20/01/15 00:08, grarpamp wrote: On Mon, Jan 19, 2015 at 5:55 AM, Sebastian Urbach sebast...@urbach.org wrote: I opened a ticket recently with the intention to use a more common unit than MiB/s for metrics. Karsten basically agrees but is waiting for more input. https://trac.torproject.org/projects/tor/ticket/14257 Tor is at its core a network application, an interface to the network, a router. In the real ISP world therein everyone speaks in mega bits per second 10^n (and now with 100Gbps links, in Gbps). Only the downstream hosting world speaks in mega bytes 2^n, per whatever time unit they dream up. This comes from attempts by hosters to appease people pushing their disk files MiB's over the net at link rate, not spread over bandwidth rate. In fact, the hosters have to convert that appeasement on their backend to aggregated Mbps so they can talk to their real ISP's. I've suggested before that Tor project should use Mbit/s (or Mbps or Mbit[s] where the slash presents a problem) as its primary default representation for Tor client and all related projects that refer to bandwidth. Tor is a bandwidth app, especially at the relay level. There is no disk or instantaneous link rate transfer need applying to Tor relay. (As opposed to user level which is more of a mashup of rate usage contexts and interests similar to bittorrent/webserving.) Then if people want MiB's or MB's so they can continue perpetuating and interfacing with hosters who do the same, you could add a few global prefix, unit and time options to switch all representations over at once. (Tor client has recently added per stanza Mbps configs which is a fine alternative to global. Yet again, the manpage and even maybe the code still uses nonsense in regards to capitalization, base 2 vs 10, crossed contexts, etc...) Start here, use the table in the upper right, ignore jedec, and pick and apply 10^n or 2^n representations consistantly. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Binary_prefix BandwidthRate N bytes|KBytes|MBytes|GBytes|KBits|MBits|GBits A token bucket limits the average incoming bandwidth usage on this node to the specified number of bytes per second, and the average outgoing bandwidth usage to that same value. If you want to run a relay in the public network, this needs to be at the very least 30 KBytes (that is, 30720 bytes). (Default: 1 GByte) Notably, KBytes can also be written as kilobytes or kb; No, KBytes is invalid, there is no capital K, only k (SI) and Ki (binary). Nor is b ever a byte, nor is Bit[s] ever capitalized. True network applications should also not be crossing network-like prefixes with disk-like objects or vice versa, ie: Gibit[s] (non-network binary and single bit), or the GBytes (network SI and binary multiples of bit) above. If you cross it up or make errors in context in one place that throws all your docs and configs into question. Even I still mess it up sometimes. it's easy to forget that B means bytes, not bits. Nope :) Abbr B means byte (now formally of width eight bits as in octet/o, and still unfortunately caveat bel/B as in dB), and abbr bit means bit, (and b is now just nothing but informal efficient shorthand for bit if I recall). https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IEC_8-13 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Byte https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Octet_(computing) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bit Anyway, tor relay is network not disk, so I'd suggest megabits, or kilo/giga as scale appropriate. ___ tor-relays mailing list tor-relays@lists.torproject.org https://lists.torproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/tor-relays . -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1 Comment: GPGTools - http://gpgtools.org iQEcBAEBAgAGBQJUvgzEAAoJEJd5OEYhk8hIz5UIAKJpEoSWFBwaPVpDonKtiovS bXnUY3fI+cFrJaXto263SzWk4ZEDJq5Zd7kxcgYniHwgQ9KL0/Q9FrjJ5oHSbCaw zaNh1LNawiZGGHI50Y17q11OqnrAHFBhXNix0uHK80ggypWjBj/2e3pogb4xtL2k /Z07CLCh1BGC6TSNmpfNDn1XYAaj1GaYmLsp6zeVgcogWOwyHNrPbWxomKF42d94 52Klx2UvavpvpC9K+1QDMnArm5V4j4kMy5oOmhHhmQ80Hox3LChPkAaA7BzWJt+B KJfrQigf89KMCSHI3vpPYUiQ1aRKrQDyUaMjpxh0sSV2l6bu5EcAcnNE5m2hcso= =1G40 -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ tor-relays mailing list tor-relays@lists.torproject.org https://lists.torproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/tor-relays
Re: [tor-relays] MiB/s / metrics
+1 grarpamp bits with decimal prefixes is the only thing that makes sense in the networking world. On 20 Jan 2015 00:09, grarpamp grarp...@gmail.com wrote: On Mon, Jan 19, 2015 at 5:55 AM, Sebastian Urbach sebast...@urbach.org wrote: I opened a ticket recently with the intention to use a more common unit than MiB/s for metrics. Karsten basically agrees but is waiting for more input. https://trac.torproject.org/projects/tor/ticket/14257 Tor is at its core a network application, an interface to the network, a router. In the real ISP world therein everyone speaks in mega bits per second 10^n (and now with 100Gbps links, in Gbps). Only the downstream hosting world speaks in mega bytes 2^n, per whatever time unit they dream up. This comes from attempts by hosters to appease people pushing their disk files MiB's over the net at link rate, not spread over bandwidth rate. In fact, the hosters have to convert that appeasement on their backend to aggregated Mbps so they can talk to their real ISP's. I've suggested before that Tor project should use Mbit/s (or Mbps or Mbit[s] where the slash presents a problem) as its primary default representation for Tor client and all related projects that refer to bandwidth. Tor is a bandwidth app, especially at the relay level. There is no disk or instantaneous link rate transfer need applying to Tor relay. (As opposed to user level which is more of a mashup of rate usage contexts and interests similar to bittorrent/webserving.) Then if people want MiB's or MB's so they can continue perpetuating and interfacing with hosters who do the same, you could add a few global prefix, unit and time options to switch all representations over at once. (Tor client has recently added per stanza Mbps configs which is a fine alternative to global. Yet again, the manpage and even maybe the code still uses nonsense in regards to capitalization, base 2 vs 10, crossed contexts, etc...) Start here, use the table in the upper right, ignore jedec, and pick and apply 10^n or 2^n representations consistantly. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Binary_prefix BandwidthRate N bytes|KBytes|MBytes|GBytes|KBits|MBits|GBits A token bucket limits the average incoming bandwidth usage on this node to the specified number of bytes per second, and the average outgoing bandwidth usage to that same value. If you want to run a relay in the public network, this needs to be at the very least 30 KBytes (that is, 30720 bytes). (Default: 1 GByte) Notably, KBytes can also be written as kilobytes or kb; No, KBytes is invalid, there is no capital K, only k (SI) and Ki (binary). Nor is b ever a byte, nor is Bit[s] ever capitalized. True network applications should also not be crossing network-like prefixes with disk-like objects or vice versa, ie: Gibit[s] (non-network binary and single bit), or the GBytes (network SI and binary multiples of bit) above. If you cross it up or make errors in context in one place that throws all your docs and configs into question. Even I still mess it up sometimes. it's easy to forget that B means bytes, not bits. Nope :) Abbr B means byte (now formally of width eight bits as in octet/o, and still unfortunately caveat bel/B as in dB), and abbr bit means bit, (and b is now just nothing but informal efficient shorthand for bit if I recall). https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IEC_8-13 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Byte https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Octet_(computing) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bit Anyway, tor relay is network not disk, so I'd suggest megabits, or kilo/giga as scale appropriate. ___ tor-relays mailing list tor-relays@lists.torproject.org https://lists.torproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/tor-relays ___ tor-relays mailing list tor-relays@lists.torproject.org https://lists.torproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/tor-relays
Re: [tor-relays] MiB/s / metrics
On Mon, Jan 19, 2015 at 5:55 AM, Sebastian Urbach sebast...@urbach.org wrote: I opened a ticket recently with the intention to use a more common unit than MiB/s for metrics. Karsten basically agrees but is waiting for more input. https://trac.torproject.org/projects/tor/ticket/14257 Tor is at its core a network application, an interface to the network, a router. In the real ISP world therein everyone speaks in mega bits per second 10^n (and now with 100Gbps links, in Gbps). Only the downstream hosting world speaks in mega bytes 2^n, per whatever time unit they dream up. This comes from attempts by hosters to appease people pushing their disk files MiB's over the net at link rate, not spread over bandwidth rate. In fact, the hosters have to convert that appeasement on their backend to aggregated Mbps so they can talk to their real ISP's. I've suggested before that Tor project should use Mbit/s (or Mbps or Mbit[s] where the slash presents a problem) as its primary default representation for Tor client and all related projects that refer to bandwidth. Tor is a bandwidth app, especially at the relay level. There is no disk or instantaneous link rate transfer need applying to Tor relay. (As opposed to user level which is more of a mashup of rate usage contexts and interests similar to bittorrent/webserving.) Then if people want MiB's or MB's so they can continue perpetuating and interfacing with hosters who do the same, you could add a few global prefix, unit and time options to switch all representations over at once. (Tor client has recently added per stanza Mbps configs which is a fine alternative to global. Yet again, the manpage and even maybe the code still uses nonsense in regards to capitalization, base 2 vs 10, crossed contexts, etc...) Start here, use the table in the upper right, ignore jedec, and pick and apply 10^n or 2^n representations consistantly. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Binary_prefix BandwidthRate N bytes|KBytes|MBytes|GBytes|KBits|MBits|GBits A token bucket limits the average incoming bandwidth usage on this node to the specified number of bytes per second, and the average outgoing bandwidth usage to that same value. If you want to run a relay in the public network, this needs to be at the very least 30 KBytes (that is, 30720 bytes). (Default: 1 GByte) Notably, KBytes can also be written as kilobytes or kb; No, KBytes is invalid, there is no capital K, only k (SI) and Ki (binary). Nor is b ever a byte, nor is Bit[s] ever capitalized. True network applications should also not be crossing network-like prefixes with disk-like objects or vice versa, ie: Gibit[s] (non-network binary and single bit), or the GBytes (network SI and binary multiples of bit) above. If you cross it up or make errors in context in one place that throws all your docs and configs into question. Even I still mess it up sometimes. it's easy to forget that B means bytes, not bits. Nope :) Abbr B means byte (now formally of width eight bits as in octet/o, and still unfortunately caveat bel/B as in dB), and abbr bit means bit, (and b is now just nothing but informal efficient shorthand for bit if I recall). https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IEC_8-13 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Byte https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Octet_(computing) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bit Anyway, tor relay is network not disk, so I'd suggest megabits, or kilo/giga as scale appropriate. ___ tor-relays mailing list tor-relays@lists.torproject.org https://lists.torproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/tor-relays
[tor-relays] MiB/s / metrics
Hi, I opened a ticket recently with the intention to use a more common unit than MiB/s for metrics. Karsten basically agrees but is waiting for more input. If someone is interested : https://trac.torproject.org/projects/tor/ticket/14257 -- Sincerely yours / Sincères salutations / M.f.G. Sebastian Urbach - Religion is fundamentally opposed to everything I hold in veneration - courage, clear thinking, honesty, fairness, and, above all, love of the truth. - Henry Louis Mencken (1880 - 1956), American journalist, essayist, magazine editor, satirist and critic. ___ tor-relays mailing list tor-relays@lists.torproject.org https://lists.torproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/tor-relays
