Re: [tor-relays] Question: RAM requirement for an exit relay

2020-12-22 Thread mick 
On Mon, 21 Dec 2020 00:15:49 +0100
li...@for-privacy.net allegedly wrote:

> On 18.12.2020 17:33, mick wrote:
> 
> > So - you can get a twin core VPS with 2 Gig of RAM and 3500 gig of
> > traffic allowance for less than $20.00 for a /year/. Spend a little 
> > more
> > and you can get 8 gig of traffic.  
> 
> 3500 GB = 1750 GB for a Tor relay. Can be gone in 1-3 days. ;-)
> Traffic is always counted sum in + out
> You may have more fun on a bridge. If you run a relay first, don't
> use the IP later for a bridge!
> 
> 20-30 MiB/s Tor Relay consumes about 40-50 TB of traffic per month a
> few weeks after the 14-day ramp-up phase.:-(
> That is why I am suspicious of some of the 50-90 MiB/s unnamed relays 
> without contact.
> https://metrics.torproject.org/rs.html#search/unnamed%20type:relay%20
> 
> 
> VPN or root server with 20-40 MiB/s unlimited traffic is available
> for EUR 15-30,-/month.

Sure you can get relays with higher traffic allowances, but those tend
to be on ASs which /already/ have high concentrations of Tor relays.
This is not good for diversity. For example, I can (and do) get 20TB of
traffic allowance on my Hetzner relay
(https://metrics.torproject.org/rs.html#details/AE4FAE2EB5DC5D078458F0FCBF2B37F5D73F0868)
but Hetzner already has nearly 450 relays on AS24940 whereas the
Racknerd relay is on Colocrossings's AS36352 which only has 21 relays. 

The OP was considering running a relay at the end of a domestic ADSL
line which is not a good idea. Other respondents suggesting renting a
cheap VPS - I agreed and simply pointed to a (currently very cheap)
alternative. There is a danger that any new Tor relay operator will
pick a supplier which is already over represented. We should attempt to
avoid that if we can.

Tor can be (and in my case is) throttled so that you do not exceed the
ISP's allowance but still provide useable extra bandwidth.

Mick 


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Re: [tor-relays] Question: RAM requirement for an exit relay

2020-12-20 Thread lists 

On 18.12.2020 17:33, mick wrote:


So - you can get a twin core VPS with 2 Gig of RAM and 3500 gig of
traffic allowance for less than $20.00 for a /year/. Spend a little 
more

and you can get 8 gig of traffic.


3500 GB = 1750 GB for a Tor relay. Can be gone in 1-3 days. ;-)
Traffic is always counted sum in + out
You may have more fun on a bridge. If you run a relay first, don't use 
the IP later for a bridge!


20-30 MiB/s Tor Relay consumes about 40-50 TB of traffic per month a few 
weeks after the 14-day ramp-up phase.:-(
That is why I am suspicious of some of the 50-90 MiB/s unnamed relays 
without contact.

https://metrics.torproject.org/rs.html#search/unnamed%20type:relay%20


VPN or root server with 20-40 MiB/s unlimited traffic is available for 
EUR 15-30,-/month.




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Re: [tor-relays] Question: RAM requirement for an exit relay

2020-12-18 Thread mick 
On Thu, 17 Dec 2020 05:36:36 + (UTC)
BRBfGWMz  allegedly wrote:

> Olaf is right
> 
> Get a $ 5 per month VPS
> 
> On Wed, Dec 16, 2020 at 08:28 AM, Olaf Grimm 
> wrote:
> 
> > Hello Amadeus!  

You don't even need to spend that much. Racknerd have been running
promotional deals since black friday. Their current deals can be seen
here https://my.racknerd.com/index.php?rp=/store/holiday-sales-2020

So - you can get a twin core VPS with 2 Gig of RAM and 3500 gig of
traffic allowance for less than $20.00 for a /year/. Spend a little more
and you can get 8 gig of traffic.

I bouught two VPS from them about a month ago and they have confirmed
that they are OK with Tor nodes, but probably NOT exits. (In their words
to me "As long as we will not receive any abuse complaints, then there
should be no problems.") 

Abuse complaints tend to come with exits.

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Re: [tor-relays] Question: RAM requirement for an exit relay

2020-12-18 Thread Thomas 
Although I haven't had a lengthy experience with running a TOR relay, I 
will definitely attest to the fact that even the cheapest $5 VPS with 
low specs and a good distro on board, you can easily operate a relay. As 
for operating one at home, don't operate an exit like Olaf said and 
you'll be okay. Just ensure your node meets the requirements set forth 
on this page. 


Regards,

Thomas

On 12/17/2020 5:36 AM, BRBfGWMz wrote:


Olaf is right

Get a $ 5 per month VPS

On Wed, Dec 16, 2020 at 08:28 AM, Olaf Grimm  wrote:

> Hello Amadeus!

>

> When you talk about a RasPi, I assume you mean a home location.

> Please read the recommendations. Never operate an Exit Relay at home!

> It will be expensive if the wrong people knock on the door.

>

> By the way, for an Exit Relay the bandwidth should already be 10MBit/s

> or better.

>

> Olaf

>

> Am 15.12.20 um 01:44 schrieb Amadeus Ramazotti:

> > hey,

> > partly related to original question:

> > I'm planning to set up a new exit. My very first relay. I'm 
planning to use a small SoC with 2GB ram. Something running on ARM 
like a raspberry pi.


> >

> > Is this feasible or even a good idea?

> >

> > Regards

> >

> >

> > On 14 Dec 2020, at 15:10, to...@protonmail.com wrote:

> >

> > I have several 1 G RAM exits running unbound without a problem. 
They never seem to hit swap, either. On FreeBSD:


> > last pid: 83973; load averages: 0.86, 0.71, 0.62 up 130+15:44:28 
16:02:04


> > 23 processes: 2 running, 21 sleeping

> > CPU: 43.1% user, 0.0% nice, 2.7% system, 5.5% interrupt, 48.6% idle

> > Mem: 101M Active, 734M Inact, 444M Wired, 151M Buf, 210M Free

> > Swap: 512M Total, 512M Free

> >

> > Go for it,

> >

> > --Torix

> >

> >

> >  Original Message 

> >> On Monday, December 14, 2020 1:11 PM,  wrote:

> >>

> >>> On 14.12.2020 13:58, li...@for-privacy.net wrote:

> >>>

> >>> grep VmPeak/proc/$PID/status = 181836 kB

> >> A non exit has less:

> >> grep VmPeak/proc/$PID/status = 57336 kB

> >> tor-proxy-02.for-privacy.net ^^

> >>

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Re: [tor-relays] Question: RAM requirement for an exit relay

2020-12-18 Thread BRBfGWMz 
Olaf is right

Get a $ 5 per month VPS

On Wed, Dec 16, 2020 at 08:28 AM, Olaf Grimm  wrote:

> Hello Amadeus!

>

> When you talk about a RasPi, I assume you mean a home location.

> Please read the recommendations. Never operate an Exit Relay at home!

> It will be expensive if the wrong people knock on the door.

>

> By the way, for an Exit Relay the bandwidth should already be 10MBit/s

> or better.

>

> Olaf

>

> Am 15.12.20 um 01:44 schrieb Amadeus Ramazotti:

> > hey,

> > partly related to original question:

> > I'm planning to set up a new exit. My very first relay. I'm planning to
> use a small SoC with 2GB ram. Something running on ARM like a raspberry pi.

> >

> > Is this feasible or even a good idea?

> >

> > Regards

> >

> >

> > On 14 Dec 2020, at 15:10, to...@protonmail.com wrote:

> >

> > I have several 1 G RAM exits running unbound without a problem. They never
> seem to hit swap, either. On FreeBSD:

> > last pid: 83973; load averages: 0.86, 0.71, 0.62 up 130+15:44:28 16:02:04

> > 23 processes: 2 running, 21 sleeping

> > CPU: 43.1% user, 0.0% nice, 2.7% system, 5.5% interrupt, 48.6% idle

> > Mem: 101M Active, 734M Inact, 444M Wired, 151M Buf, 210M Free

> > Swap: 512M Total, 512M Free

> >

> > Go for it,

> >

> > \--Torix

> >

> >

> >  Original Message   

> >> On Monday, December 14, 2020 1:11 PM,  wrote:

> >>

> >>> On 14.12.2020 13:58, li...@for-privacy.net wrote:

> >>>

> >>> grep VmPeak/proc/$PID/status = 181836 kB

> >> A non exit has less:

> >> grep VmPeak/proc/$PID/status = 57336 kB

> >> tor-proxy-02.for-privacy.net ^^

> >>

> >>
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> >>

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Re: [tor-relays] Question: RAM requirement for an exit relay

2020-12-16 Thread enrollado 
If you're going to run an exit relay from your home, just be aware that there 
is a > 0 chance that law enforcement will show up at your door with a warrant 
(or not) and seize your equipment. All of it, not just the Pi. Depending on 
where you live, they might seize you too.


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‐‐‐ Original Message ‐‐‐
On Monday, 14 de December de 2020 19:44, Amadeus Ramazotti 
 wrote:

> hey,
> partly related to original question:
> I'm planning to set up a new exit. My very first relay. I'm planning to use a 
> small SoC with 2GB ram. Something running on ARM like a raspberry pi.
> 

> Is this feasible or even a good idea?
> 

> Regards
> 

> On 14 Dec 2020, at 15:10, to...@protonmail.com wrote:
> 

> I have several 1 G RAM exits running unbound without a problem. They never 
> seem to hit swap, either. On FreeBSD:
> last pid: 83973; load averages: 0.86, 0.71, 0.62 up 130+15:44:28 16:02:04
> 23 processes: 2 running, 21 sleeping
> CPU: 43.1% user, 0.0% nice, 2.7% system, 5.5% interrupt, 48.6% idle
> Mem: 101M Active, 734M Inact, 444M Wired, 151M Buf, 210M Free
> Swap: 512M Total, 512M Free
> 

> Go for it,
> 

> --Torix
> 

> ‐‐‐ Original Message ‐‐‐
> 

> > On Monday, December 14, 2020 1:11 PM, li...@for-privacy.net wrote:
> > 

> > > On 14.12.2020 13:58, li...@for-privacy.net wrote:
> > > grep VmPeak/proc/$PID/status = 181836 kB
> > 

> > A non exit has less:
> > grep VmPeak/proc/$PID/status = 57336 kB
> > tor-proxy-02.for-privacy.net ^^
> > 

> > ╰_╯ Ciao Marco!
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Re: [tor-relays] Question: RAM requirement for an exit relay

2020-12-16 Thread Olaf Grimm 
Hello Amadeus!

When you talk about a RasPi, I assume you mean a home location.
Please read the recommendations.  Never operate an Exit Relay at home!
It will be expensive if the wrong people knock on the door.

By the way, for an Exit Relay the bandwidth should already be 10MBit/s
or better.

Olaf

Am 15.12.20 um 01:44 schrieb Amadeus Ramazotti:
> hey, 
> partly related to original question: 
> I'm planning to set up a new exit. My very first relay. I'm planning to use a 
> small SoC with 2GB ram. Something running on ARM like a raspberry pi. 
>
> Is this feasible or even a good idea?
>
> Regards
>
>
> On 14 Dec 2020, at 15:10, to...@protonmail.com wrote:
>
> I have several 1 G RAM exits running unbound without a problem.  They never 
> seem to hit swap, either.  On FreeBSD:
> last pid: 83973;  load averages:  0.86,  0.71,  0.62  
> up 130+15:44:28 16:02:04
> 23 processes:  2 running, 21 sleeping
> CPU: 43.1% user,  0.0% nice,  2.7% system,  5.5% interrupt, 48.6% idle
> Mem: 101M Active, 734M Inact, 444M Wired, 151M Buf, 210M Free
> Swap: 512M Total, 512M Free
>
> Go for it,
>
> --Torix
>
>
> ‐‐‐ Original Message ‐‐‐
>> On Monday, December 14, 2020 1:11 PM,  wrote:
>>
>>> On 14.12.2020 13:58, li...@for-privacy.net wrote:
>>>
>>> grep VmPeak/proc/$PID/status = 181836 kB
>> A non exit has less:
>> grep VmPeak/proc/$PID/status = 57336 kB
>> tor-proxy-02.for-privacy.net ^^
>>
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>>
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Re: [tor-relays] Question: RAM requirement for an exit relay

2020-12-16 Thread newsletter 

Hey,

I run relays with less RAM and it works fine. A problem with a SoC might 
be that the hardware cant "help" with crypto stuff (but I am not sure, 
I've read that somewhere). Also, this sounds like you are planning to 
run an exit from home, which you shouldn't.


Greetings

On 15.12.2020 01:44, Amadeus Ramazotti wrote:

hey,
partly related to original question:
I'm planning to set up a new exit. My very first relay. I'm planning
to use a small SoC with 2GB ram. Something running on ARM like a
raspberry pi.

Is this feasible or even a good idea?

Regards


On 14 Dec 2020, at 15:10, to...@protonmail.com wrote:

I have several 1 G RAM exits running unbound without a problem.  They
never seem to hit swap, either.  On FreeBSD:
last pid: 83973;  load averages:  0.86,  0.71,  0.62
   up 130+15:44:28 16:02:04
23 processes:  2 running, 21 sleeping
CPU: 43.1% user,  0.0% nice,  2.7% system,  5.5% interrupt, 48.6% idle
Mem: 101M Active, 734M Inact, 444M Wired, 151M Buf, 210M Free
Swap: 512M Total, 512M Free

Go for it,

--Torix


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On 14.12.2020 13:58, li...@for-privacy.net wrote:

grep VmPeak/proc/$PID/status = 181836 kB


A non exit has less:
grep VmPeak/proc/$PID/status = 57336 kB
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Re: [tor-relays] Question: RAM requirement for an exit relay

2020-12-15 Thread Olaf Grimm 
Hello !

Thank you very much for the large amount of replies.
I have made a test and after less hours of activity I can confirm the
low RAM consumption. There are no problems with 1GB.
'htop' reports 3,1% of RAM usage for 'unbound'. I will now reconfigure
my fleet one by one next days.

Kind regards !
Olaf


Am 14.12.20 um 15:10 schrieb to...@protonmail.com:
> I have several 1 G RAM exits running unbound without a problem.  They never 
> seem to hit swap, either.  On FreeBSD:
> last pid: 83973;  load averages:  0.86,  0.71,  0.62  
> up 130+15:44:28 16:02:04
> 23 processes:  2 running, 21 sleeping
> CPU: 43.1% user,  0.0% nice,  2.7% system,  5.5% interrupt, 48.6% idle
> Mem: 101M Active, 734M Inact, 444M Wired, 151M Buf, 210M Free
> Swap: 512M Total, 512M Free
>
> Go for it,
>
> --Torix
>
>
> ‐‐‐ Original Message ‐‐‐
> On Monday, December 14, 2020 1:11 PM,  wrote:
>
>> On 14.12.2020 13:58, li...@for-privacy.net wrote:
>>
>>> grep VmPeak/proc/$PID/status = 181836 kB
>> A non exit has less:
>> grep VmPeak/proc/$PID/status = 57336 kB
>> tor-proxy-02.for-privacy.net ^^
>>
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Re: [tor-relays] Question: RAM requirement for an exit relay

2020-12-15 Thread Amadeus Ramazotti 
hey, 
partly related to original question: 
I'm planning to set up a new exit. My very first relay. I'm planning to use a 
small SoC with 2GB ram. Something running on ARM like a raspberry pi. 

Is this feasible or even a good idea?

Regards


On 14 Dec 2020, at 15:10, to...@protonmail.com wrote:

I have several 1 G RAM exits running unbound without a problem.  They never 
seem to hit swap, either.  On FreeBSD:
last pid: 83973;  load averages:  0.86,  0.71,  0.62
  up 130+15:44:28 16:02:04
23 processes:  2 running, 21 sleeping
CPU: 43.1% user,  0.0% nice,  2.7% system,  5.5% interrupt, 48.6% idle
Mem: 101M Active, 734M Inact, 444M Wired, 151M Buf, 210M Free
Swap: 512M Total, 512M Free

Go for it,

--Torix


‐‐‐ Original Message ‐‐‐
> On Monday, December 14, 2020 1:11 PM,  wrote:
> 
>> On 14.12.2020 13:58, li...@for-privacy.net wrote:
>> 
>> grep VmPeak/proc/$PID/status = 181836 kB
> 
> A non exit has less:
> grep VmPeak/proc/$PID/status = 57336 kB
> tor-proxy-02.for-privacy.net ^^
> 
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> 
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Re: [tor-relays] Question: RAM requirement for an exit relay

2020-12-14 Thread torix 
I have several 1 G RAM exits running unbound without a problem.  They never 
seem to hit swap, either.  On FreeBSD:
last pid: 83973;  load averages:  0.86,  0.71,  0.62
  up 130+15:44:28 16:02:04
23 processes:  2 running, 21 sleeping
CPU: 43.1% user,  0.0% nice,  2.7% system,  5.5% interrupt, 48.6% idle
Mem: 101M Active, 734M Inact, 444M Wired, 151M Buf, 210M Free
Swap: 512M Total, 512M Free

Go for it,

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On Monday, December 14, 2020 1:11 PM,  wrote:

> On 14.12.2020 13:58, li...@for-privacy.net wrote:
>
> > grep VmPeak/proc/$PID/status = 181836 kB
>
> A non exit has less:
> grep VmPeak/proc/$PID/status = 57336 kB
> tor-proxy-02.for-privacy.net ^^
>
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Re: [tor-relays] Question: RAM requirement for an exit relay

2020-12-14 Thread lists 

On 14.12.2020 13:58, li...@for-privacy.net wrote:


grep VmPeak/proc/$PID/status = 181836 kB


A non exit has less:
grep VmPeak/proc/$PID/status = 57336 kB
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Re: [tor-relays] Question: RAM requirement for an exit relay

2020-12-14 Thread lists 

On 14.12.2020 13:27, Toralf Förster wrote:

On 12/14/20 1:15 PM, li...@for-privacy.net wrote:


On both of my exits, unbound occupies 140-145MB RAM.

Hhm, under a hardened stable Gentoo it occupiers 45 MB in RAM (virtual
378MB, but that involves all ever loaded libs before too)


My way may be wrong:

I looked in the 'RES' column in htop.
Hide user threads (shift + H) & close process view (F5)

grep VmPeak/proc/$PID/status = 181836 kB

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Re: [tor-relays] Question: RAM requirement for an exit relay

2020-12-14 Thread Dmitrii Tcvetkov 
On Sat, 12 Dec 2020 20:37:22 +0100
Olaf Grimm  wrote:

> Hello!
> 
> I would like to activate a local DNS resolver with unbound at the exit
> relays, but I am concerned about the RAM size with 1GB. On an example
> machine I have 2GB RAM and the exit relay occupies 400MB at 22.9 MiB/s
> according to the metrics.
> 
> Does anyone have experience with such values? My smaller exit relays
> only have 1GB of RAM.
> 
> Well, there is still the problem that simply trying it out is not
> possible. If I overrun the RAM and it comes to SWAP activities, then
> already on a local machine almost no access was possible. With a VPS
> this is a no-go.
> 
> Kind regards!
> Olaf

Hi,

My small exit relay 988625BFD9E9B23B35C590250407486F28FF8FFC runs on 1
GiB RAM VPS with local unbound recursive resolver. 

Memory usage looks like this:
Memory: Real: 470M/861M act/tot Free: 110M Cache: 177M Swap: 317M/1049M

In my expirience swap in general is a virtue, of course it might hinder
the overall expirience on specific workloads.

Also usually there is a way to access VPS if it has became
unresponsive, like VNC. IMO you should simply try if you have
non-network access to the VPS.
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Re: [tor-relays] Question: RAM requirement for an exit relay

2020-12-14 Thread Toralf Förster 

On 12/14/20 1:15 PM, li...@for-privacy.net wrote:


On both of my exits, unbound occupies 140-145MB RAM.

Hhm, under a hardened stable Gentoo it occupiers 45 MB in RAM (virtual
378MB, but that involves all ever loaded libs before too)

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Re: [tor-relays] Question: RAM requirement for an exit relay

2020-12-14 Thread lists 

On 12.12.2020 20:37, Olaf Grimm wrote:

I would like to activate a local DNS resolver with unbound at the exit
relays, but I am concerned about the RAM size with 1GB. On an example
machine I have 2GB RAM and the exit relay occupies 400MB at 22.9 MiB/s
according to the metrics.

Does anyone have experience with such values? My smaller exit relays
only have 1GB of RAM.


On both of my exits, unbound occupies 140-145MB RAM.
https://metrics.torproject.org/rs.html#search/TorOrDie4privacyNET

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[tor-relays] Question: RAM requirement for an exit relay

2020-12-14 Thread Olaf Grimm 
Hello!

I would like to activate a local DNS resolver with unbound at the exit
relays, but I am concerned about the RAM size with 1GB. On an example
machine I have 2GB RAM and the exit relay occupies 400MB at 22.9 MiB/s
according to the metrics.

Does anyone have experience with such values? My smaller exit relays
only have 1GB of RAM.

Well, there is still the problem that simply trying it out is not
possible. If I overrun the RAM and it comes to SWAP activities, then
already on a local machine almost no access was possible. With a VPS
this is a no-go.

Kind regards!
Olaf
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