Re: [tor-relays] Tor Weather getting T-shirt email. Problem

[I]

I donated to Tor a few times because I couldn't use Linux, a VPS, or get past the port problems from home. Donations of cash are far better than using volunteers to send a partly profitable t-shirt.After the threshold of my first relay (an exit on a Windows VPS) Tor weather promised a t-shirt which seemed a fair trade.  Learning and restarting after daily stoppages of the VPS took much time.  The t-shirt was to be symbolic of commitment to Tor ideals in a small way.  Donations of time and VPS hire  to expand the network are better than cash donations to Tor, I feel.Now after numerous relays and exits, copyright threats and pleadings, and many hours and $ a t-shirt or mug would mean the commitment to the ideals was recognised.Tor Weather hasn't registered it but it should have to ensure encouragement to broaden the network.[IMO] The t-shirt or whatever should be a good design such as Jacob wore at 30c3 rather than the the current one.Robert
 -Original Message-From: th6...@gmail.comSent: Mon, 30 Dec 2013 18:14:04 +To: tor-relays@lists.torproject.orgSubject: Re: [tor-relays] Tor Weather getting T-shirt email. ProblemI've run several middle relays for over a year but they keep getting knocked down due to circuit creation storms (on RPIs) or powercuts or updates or some other issue. Yes uptime is important, but 100% is not practical for most relay operators. Also, if you want a  shirt so badly, donate to Tor! In fact, I just realised I do want a shirt! 
TomOn 30 December 2013 11:48, Random Tor Node Operator  wrote:
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On 12/28/2013 01:26 AM, I wrote:
> I think two months is a bit short to be rewarded with a t-shirt
> from donated resources.
>
> It makes more sense to extend the time but include the total time
> running ignoring minor disruptions.

I agree with that point, because currently, relay operators have the
incentive to not update to the latest Tor version whenever a new
version is released, in order to keep the consecutive uptime high.
That is probably not in the best interest of Tor.

Maybe Tor Weather could look at the flags instead of the consecutive
uptime instead. For example, you typically don't lose your Guard or
Stable flag due to a reboot.



>
> Robert
>
>
>> : i noticed a problem with tor weather. I should have recieved a
>> email : -Uptime is nearly 100%,
>>
>> Tor weather needs some updating, however it continues to email
>> plenty of relay operators. The reason you didn't get an email is
>> tor weather didn't see your relay matching the uptime
>> requirement,
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Re: [tor-relays] Tor Weather getting T-shirt email. Problem

[Jason Odoom]

I agree there should be another way. I just recently had to start
overbecause
I updated Tor. I don't plan on updating again until two months have
passed.

Jason


On Mon, Dec 30, 2013 at 1:14 PM, Thomas Hand  wrote:

> I've run several middle relays for over a year but they keep getting
> knocked down due to circuit creation storms (on RPIs) or powercuts or
> updates or some other issue. Yes uptime is important, but 100% is not
> practical for most relay operators. Also, if you want a  shirt so badly,
> donate to Tor! In fact, I just realised I do want a shirt!
> Tom
>
>
> On 30 December 2013 11:48, Random Tor Node Operator <
> t...@unterderbruecke.de> wrote:
>
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>> On 12/28/2013 01:26 AM, I wrote:
>> > I think two months is a bit short to be rewarded with a t-shirt
>> > from donated resources.
>> >
>> > It makes more sense to extend the time but include the total time
>> > running ignoring minor disruptions.
>>
>> I agree with that point, because currently, relay operators have the
>> incentive to not update to the latest Tor version whenever a new
>> version is released, in order to keep the consecutive uptime high.
>> That is probably not in the best interest of Tor.
>>
>> Maybe Tor Weather could look at the flags instead of the consecutive
>> uptime instead. For example, you typically don't lose your Guard or
>> Stable flag due to a reboot.
>>
>>
>>
>> >
>> > Robert
>> >
>> >
>> >> : i noticed a problem with tor weather. I should have recieved a
>> >> email : -Uptime is nearly 100%,
>> >>
>> >> Tor weather needs some updating, however it continues to email
>> >> plenty of relay operators. The reason you didn't get an email is
>> >> tor weather didn't see your relay matching the uptime
>> >> requirement,
>> >
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Re: [tor-relays] Tor Weather getting T-shirt email. Problem

[Thomas Hand]

I've run several middle relays for over a year but they keep getting
knocked down due to circuit creation storms (on RPIs) or powercuts or
updates or some other issue. Yes uptime is important, but 100% is not
practical for most relay operators. Also, if you want a  shirt so badly,
donate to Tor! In fact, I just realised I do want a shirt!
Tom


On 30 December 2013 11:48, Random Tor Node Operator
wrote:

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> On 12/28/2013 01:26 AM, I wrote:
> > I think two months is a bit short to be rewarded with a t-shirt
> > from donated resources.
> >
> > It makes more sense to extend the time but include the total time
> > running ignoring minor disruptions.
>
> I agree with that point, because currently, relay operators have the
> incentive to not update to the latest Tor version whenever a new
> version is released, in order to keep the consecutive uptime high.
> That is probably not in the best interest of Tor.
>
> Maybe Tor Weather could look at the flags instead of the consecutive
> uptime instead. For example, you typically don't lose your Guard or
> Stable flag due to a reboot.
>
>
>
> >
> > Robert
> >
> >
> >> : i noticed a problem with tor weather. I should have recieved a
> >> email : -Uptime is nearly 100%,
> >>
> >> Tor weather needs some updating, however it continues to email
> >> plenty of relay operators. The reason you didn't get an email is
> >> tor weather didn't see your relay matching the uptime
> >> requirement,
> >
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Re: [tor-relays] Tor Weather getting T-shirt email. Problem

[Random Tor Node Operator]

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On 12/28/2013 01:26 AM, I wrote:
> I think two months is a bit short to be rewarded with a t-shirt
> from donated resources.
> 
> It makes more sense to extend the time but include the total time
> running ignoring minor disruptions.

I agree with that point, because currently, relay operators have the
incentive to not update to the latest Tor version whenever a new
version is released, in order to keep the consecutive uptime high.
That is probably not in the best interest of Tor.

Maybe Tor Weather could look at the flags instead of the consecutive
uptime instead. For example, you typically don't lose your Guard or
Stable flag due to a reboot.



> 
> Robert
> 
> 
>> : i noticed a problem with tor weather. I should have recieved a
>> email : -Uptime is nearly 100%,
>> 
>> Tor weather needs some updating, however it continues to email
>> plenty of relay operators. The reason you didn't get an email is
>> tor weather didn't see your relay matching the uptime
>> requirement,
> 
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Re: [tor-relays] Tor Weather getting T-shirt email. Problem

[Travis Northrup]

I agree. 6 months minimum.



On Fri, Dec 27, 2013 at 6:26 PM, I  wrote:

> I think two months is a bit short to be rewarded with a t-shirt from
> donated resources.
>
> It makes more sense to extend the time but include the total time running
> ignoring minor disruptions.
>
> Robert
>
>
> > : i noticed a problem with tor weather. I should have recieved a email
> > : -Uptime is nearly 100%,
> >
> > Tor weather needs some updating, however it continues to email plenty
> > of relay operators. The reason you didn't get an email is tor weather
> > didn't see your relay matching the uptime requirement,
>
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Re: [tor-relays] Tor Weather getting T-shirt email. Problem

[I]

I think two months is a bit short to be rewarded with a t-shirt from donated 
resources. 

It makes more sense to extend the time but include the total time running 
ignoring minor disruptions.

Robert


> : i noticed a problem with tor weather. I should have recieved a email
> : -Uptime is nearly 100%,
> 
> Tor weather needs some updating, however it continues to email plenty
> of relay operators. The reason you didn't get an email is tor weather
> didn't see your relay matching the uptime requirement,


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Re: [tor-relays] Tor Weather getting T-shirt email. Problem

[andrew]

On Wed, Dec 25, 2013 at 01:23:59PM +0100, equal-rig...@gmx.de wrote 0.9K bytes 
in 0 lines about:
: i noticed a problem with tor weather. I should have recieved a email
: -Uptime is nearly 100%,

Tor weather needs some updating, however it continues to email plenty
of relay operators. The reason you didn't get an email is tor weather
didn't see your relay matching the uptime requirement,

https://atlas.torproject.org/#details/858C6B4E7841661F3B6FE65392B79F4DB5B2EE15

There are a stack of tickets if you want to hack on some python,
https://trac.torproject.org/projects/tor/report/36

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Re: [tor-relays] Tor Weather getting T-shirt email. Problem

[Kiss Gabor (Bitman)]

> > I repeat: I got notification that I am entitled to a T shirt.
> > Did I miss something AFTER that?
> 
> Did you then email donations@tpo? This is a separate, manual process.

Honestly? I don't remember. :-)
But I guess I rigorously followed the instructions I received.
Thanks for your intention to help.

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Re: [tor-relays] Tor Weather getting T-shirt email. Problem

[Moritz Bartl]

On 12/25/2013 05:47 PM, Kiss Gabor (Bitman) wrote:
>> Tor Weather is looking at the uptime. When you stop Tor while updating
>> you reset the counter.
> Really?
> I repeat: I got notification that I am entitled to a T shirt.
> Did I miss something AFTER that?

Did you then email donations@tpo? This is a separate, manual process.

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Re: [tor-relays] Tor Weather getting T-shirt email. Problem

[Niels Hesse]

Oh, my bad.

2013/12/25 Kiss Gabor (Bitman) :
>> I was refering to "Uptime is nearly 100%, expect of two times when I
>> updated the tor software and about 2hours of maintenance"
>
> I see...
> Next time please quote the replied mail, not an other.
>
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Re: [tor-relays] Tor Weather getting T-shirt email. Problem

[Niels Hesse]

I was refering to "Uptime is nearly 100%, expect of two times when I
updated the tor software and about 2hours of maintenance"

2013/12/25 Kiss Gabor (Bitman) :
>> Tor Weather is looking at the uptime. When you stop Tor while updating
>> you reset the counter.
>
> Really?
> I repeat: I got notification that I am entitled to a T shirt.
> Did I miss something AFTER that?
>
> But never mind. Till I wear my NSA shirt... :-)
>
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Re: [tor-relays] Tor Weather getting T-shirt email. Problem

[Kiss Gabor (Bitman)]

> I was refering to "Uptime is nearly 100%, expect of two times when I
> updated the tor software and about 2hours of maintenance"

I see...
Next time please quote the replied mail, not an other.

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Re: [tor-relays] Tor Weather getting T-shirt email. Problem

[Kiss Gabor (Bitman)]

> Tor Weather is looking at the uptime. When you stop Tor while updating
> you reset the counter.

Really?
I repeat: I got notification that I am entitled to a T shirt.
Did I miss something AFTER that?

But never mind. Till I wear my NSA shirt... :-)

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Re: [tor-relays] Tor Weather getting T-shirt email. Problem

[Niels Hesse]

Tor Weather is looking at the uptime. When you stop Tor while updating
you reset the counter.

2013/12/25 Kiss Gabor (Bitman) :
>> i noticed a problem with tor weather. I should have recieved a email that I
>> qualified for a T-shirt. This never happend.
>
> Me too. Two years ago. I wait yet... :-)
>
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Re: [tor-relays] Tor Weather getting T-shirt email. Problem

[Kiss Gabor (Bitman)]

> i noticed a problem with tor weather. I should have recieved a email that I
> qualified for a T-shirt. This never happend.

Me too. Two years ago. I wait yet... :-)

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Re: [tor-relays] Tor Weather getting T-shirt email. Problem

[equal-rights.de]

Thanks for your quick answers.


Am 25.12.2013 13:59, schrieb Felix Büdenhölzer:

Same thing for me. I have asked the donation guys by writing a short
mail to donati...@torproject.org and they replied with the link to the
shirt supplier.
FB


On 12/25/2013 01:23 PM, equal-rights.de wrote:

Hi,
i noticed a problem with tor weather. I should have recieved a email
that I qualified for a T-shirt. This never happend.
Requirments for getting one:
https://www.torproject.org/getinvolved/tshirt.html
I think I do fullfill the requirements: -non-exit realy since
September 2013
-average bandwith: 32 Mbit/s
-10TB of traffic each month
-Uptime is nearly 100%,
expect of two times when I updated the tor software and about 2hours
of maintenance.
(total about 2hours)
My relay:
http://torstatus.blutmagie.de/router_detail.php?FP=858c6b4e7841661f3b6fe65392b79f4db5b2ee15


I also found this ticket relating this topic.
Tor-weather bug:
https://trac.torproject.org/projects/tor/ticket/2461

Thanks for your time.
Best Regards
Michael


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Re: [tor-relays] Tor Weather getting T-shirt email. Problem

[Felix Büdenhölzer]

Same thing for me. I have asked the donation guys by writing a short
mail to donati...@torproject.org and they replied with the link to the
shirt supplier.
FB


On 12/25/2013 01:23 PM, equal-rights.de wrote:
>
> Hi,
> i noticed a problem with tor weather. I should have recieved a email
> that I qualified for a T-shirt. This never happend.
> Requirments for getting one:
> https://www.torproject.org/getinvolved/tshirt.html
> I think I do fullfill the requirements: -non-exit realy since
> September 2013
> -average bandwith: 32 Mbit/s
> -10TB of traffic each month
> -Uptime is nearly 100%,
> expect of two times when I updated the tor software and about 2hours
> of maintenance.
> (total about 2hours)
> My relay:
> http://torstatus.blutmagie.de/router_detail.php?FP=858c6b4e7841661f3b6fe65392b79f4db5b2ee15
>
>
> I also found this ticket relating this topic.
> Tor-weather bug:
> https://trac.torproject.org/projects/tor/ticket/2461
>
> Thanks for your time.
> Best Regards
> Michael
>
>
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Re: [tor-relays] Tor Weather getting T-shirt email. Problem

[Matthew Harrold]

I had a similar issue, I dropped them an email and they got the t shirt
sent out.

Thanks for running a relay and happy holidays!
On 25 Dec 2013 12:26, "equal-rights.de"  wrote:

>
> Hi,
> i noticed a problem with tor weather. I should have recieved a email that
> I qualified for a T-shirt. This never happend.
> Requirments for getting one: https://www.torproject.org/
> getinvolved/tshirt.html
> I think I do fullfill the requirements: -non-exit realy since September
> 2013
> -average bandwith: 32 Mbit/s
> -10TB of traffic each month
> -Uptime is nearly 100%,
> expect of two times when I updated the tor software and about 2hours of
> maintenance.
> (total about 2hours)
> My relay:
> http://torstatus.blutmagie.de/router_detail.php?FP=
> 858c6b4e7841661f3b6fe65392b79f4db5b2ee15
>
> I also found this ticket relating this topic.
> Tor-weather bug:
> https://trac.torproject.org/projects/tor/ticket/2461
>
> Thanks for your time.
> Best Regards
> Michael
>
>
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[tor-relays] Tor Weather getting T-shirt email. Problem

[equal-rights.de]

Hi,
i noticed a problem with tor weather. I should have recieved a email 
that I qualified for a T-shirt. This never happend.
Requirments for getting one: 
https://www.torproject.org/getinvolved/tshirt.html

I think I do fullfill the requirements: -non-exit realy since September 2013
-average bandwith: 32 Mbit/s
-10TB of traffic each month
-Uptime is nearly 100%,
expect of two times when I updated the tor software and about 2hours of 
maintenance.

(total about 2hours)
My relay:
http://torstatus.blutmagie.de/router_detail.php?FP=858c6b4e7841661f3b6fe65392b79f4db5b2ee15

I also found this ticket relating this topic.
Tor-weather bug:
https://trac.torproject.org/projects/tor/ticket/2461

Thanks for your time.
Best Regards
Michael


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