Re: [tor-relays] [tor-relays-universities] Legal issues relevant to UK

2016-09-04 Thread Jens Kubieziel
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I ran some relays at Geman universities in the past. I guess my
experiences won't help here. Maybe someone on tor-relays has experience
with running a relay at an UK university, so I send this mail to
tor-relays@ too.

* Duncan Guthrie schrieb am 2016-09-01 um 01:09 Uhr:
> I'm hoping to run a Tor relay here at a University in the UK.
> Is there anyone here who might have some experience with this in the
> past? I have been researching legal issues but information is
> extremely sparse (mostly relating to the DMCA). All I can really work
> out is that the issues relating to ISPs apply more generally, and more
> strictly to a Tor exit node operator.
> What protections, if any, exist here in the UK for a Tor exit node
> operator?
> 
> Thanks,
> Duncan
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Re: [tor-relays] [tor-relays-universities] Legal issues relevant to UK

2016-09-04 Thread teor

> * Duncan Guthrie schrieb am 2016-09-01 um 01:09 Uhr:
>> I'm hoping to run a Tor relay here at a University in the UK.
>> Is there anyone here who might have some experience with this in the
>> past? I have been researching legal issues but information is
>> extremely sparse (mostly relating to the DMCA). All I can really work
>> out is that the issues relating to ISPs apply more generally, and more
>> strictly to a Tor exit node operator.
>> What protections, if any, exist here in the UK for a Tor exit node
>> operator?

> On 5 Sep 2016, at 05:08, Jens Kubieziel  wrote:
> 
> X-Post from tor-relays-universities@
> 
> I ran some relays at Geman universities in the past. I guess my
> experiences won't help here. Maybe someone on tor-relays has experience
> with running a relay at an UK university, so I send this mail to
> tor-relays@ too.

I can't help with UK-specific legislation, but if it hasn't diverged too far 
from Australia, the answer is likely the same:
"there are some legal protections for carriage services, but the protections 
applying to an open proxy operator have not been testing in court yet".
(Of course, you should get UK-specific legal advice on that.)

One other option is to try setting up a non-exit relay first, which is what 
we've done recently in Australia.

Another option is to have a talk with your local police (or the relevant police 
group dealing with Internet activities), and let them know about Tor and your 
Exit relay. And let them know you don't keep any logs, and Tor can't identify 
the end user anyway by design. That keeps them informed, and gives them someone 
to contact if there are ever any concerns about your relay.

Tim

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Re: [tor-relays] [tor-relays-universities] Legal issues relevant to UK

2016-09-09 Thread Gareth Llewellyn
On Sun, Sep 4, 2016 at 8:08 PM, Jens Kubieziel 
wrote:

> X-Post from tor-relays-universities@
>
> I ran some relays at Geman universities in the past. I guess my
> experiences won't help here. Maybe someone on tor-relays has experience
> with running a relay at an UK university, so I send this mail to
> tor-relays@ too.
>
> * Duncan Guthrie schrieb am 2016-09-01 um 01:09 Uhr:
> > I'm hoping to run a Tor relay here at a University in the UK.
> > Is there anyone here who might have some experience with this in the
> > past? I have been researching legal issues but information is
> > extremely sparse (mostly relating to the DMCA). All I can really work
> > out is that the issues relating to ISPs apply more generally, and more
> > strictly to a Tor exit node operator.
> > What protections, if any, exist here in the UK for a Tor exit node
> > operator?
>

The Tor Exits / relays I operate in the UK are done so in my capacity as an
ISP which as you mention has various protections.

Are you planning on doing this officially as part of the university (
https://ins.jku.at/infrastructure/tor-exit-node ) or are you a student /
faculty who wants to run a relay on spare hardware (and is therefore at the
will of the University AUP etc)?

I don't think you'll find any explicit protections in law and may even find
yourself at the receiving end of being designated a "communications service
provider" (especially so once the Investigatory Powers Bill comes into
force!)
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