Re: [tor-talk] Google disable web-access to gmail for Tor-users?

2011-04-03 Thread Joe Btfsplk

On 4/3/2011 1:06 AM, Mike Perry wrote:

Thus spake Joe Btfsplk (joebtfs...@gmx.com):

On 4/2/2011 2:33 PM, katmagic wrote:

Google requires you to be able to receive a text message or phone call to
use a GMail account over Tor. This is unrelated to Torbutton's cookie
handling
(which was broken but has since been fixed). Personally, I got a friend on
IRC
to let me use his phone for it.
Since I don't retrieve email by phone (certainly not from Google), I'm 
not going to give them my cell / home #.  I'm not aware that I have 
another option for the phone contact, available to me, personally.


Actually, you can also fill out a form online, giving info about the 
acct that only the acct holder would likely know (though this "form" is 
several layers deep, to get to). In my experiment, after entering 
required info, their official statement is, it may take "up to 24 hrs 
for them to investigate & reply." Must also have previously set up an 
alternate email address, where they'll send an authorization link. In my 
1st attempt at this, took about 10 min to get an email, which would then 
allow resetting PW.


This whole process is WAY too cumbersome for frequent use - just a 
learning exercise for me.  It might be easier to find another mail 
provider that works better w/ Tor.

This is possible. The "unusual activity" message is unrelated to
cookie issues, and appears to have something to do with the exit node
chosen to connect to gmail.
Yes, & thus my question about where the "StrictExitNodes" commands would 
be input / stored (maybe for specific country) ?


From diff options presented (aside from giving google a phone #), if 
one wanted to use Tor w/ Gmail, maybe specifying specific country exit 
nodes would be fastest way to get into a Gmail acct.  Though won't know 
if that prevents the "unusual activity" msg from Gmail till try it.  
I'll try Tor w/ other email providers to see if works better.  Others 
can do same & post results.

Otherwise, Torbutton's default cookie policy is to allow cookies to
persist in memory until either the Torbutton is toggled, or the
browser exits. We plan to eventually extend this functionality to
provide a "New Identity" button in the browser, to synchronize the
clearing of all Firefox identifiers with the "New Identity"
functionality of Vidalia/Tor...
I am assuming (please correct) that if Firefox's "accept cookies from 
sites" option is UN checked (cookies denied globally), then for 
Torbutton to allow a site to set cookies during Tor mode, there MUST 
already be an exception to allow that site to set cookies, stored in 
permissions.sqlite?


Re: Matthew's comment:
Why not let TorButton handle your cookies or allow cookies then 
securely delete cookies.sqlite afterwards?
It appears I didn't have an exception to allow google.com to set 
cookies.  I seldom login to Gmail.  Then, only allow temp / session 
cookies.   However (for others' info), about cookies.sqlite - appears 
only persistent cookies are stored in it.  Session cookies are not.  I 
believe session / temp cookies are stored in memory, unless that's 
changed in FX 4.


IMHO, if users are worried about privacy in email, they probably should 
another provider than Gmail.



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Re: [tor-talk] GSOC Ideas.

2011-04-03 Thread Ian Foster
Karsten, would working on TorStatus to make it work with the Metrics
database be a useful project?

Do you think either you, or someone else could mentor it? I know it's
PHP and it won't directly be a part of Metrics but it could be another
method of displaying and exporting the data.
Unfortunately I don't trust my little Java knowledge to work directly
on metrics.

If this is not needed then I'll focus on something with Python.

Thanks.

On Sat, Apr 2, 2011 at 6:44 AM, Roger Dingledine  wrote:
> On Wed, Mar 30, 2011 at 07:50:06AM +0200, Karsten Loesing wrote:
>> > Exporting to CSV based of of the filters is an easy task. Is there
>> > anyone else who would find this useful? If so I'll look into making a
>> > PHP script that can do that right now. :)
>>
>> The odds of Tor picking a GSoC student to improve TorStatus are non-zero,
>> but low.  (To be precise, I wouldn't mentor that project, but I don't know
>> if somebody else would.)
>>
>> The better approach for providing Tor network status information is to
>> extend the metrics website, mostly because the metrics website is
>> maintained whereas the TorStatus website isn't.  Kevin Berry, one of our
>> last year's GSoC students who I mentored, started working on a basic
>> network status page here:
>>
>>   https://metrics.torproject.org/networkstatus.html
>>
>> The code for the metrics website is here, and yes, it's JSP/servlets:
>>
>>   http://gitweb.torproject.org/metrics-web.git
>>
>> Please let me know if you have further questions.
>
> That said, I think changing the Torstatus PHP script so it uses the
> metrics database as its back-end, and cleaning up the PHP part of it,
> would still be a very valuable task.
>
> Right now Torstatus has two components: the PHP interface front-end,
> and the database back-end that remembers stuff about the network so it
> can (for example) make historical bandwidth graphs.
>
> The database kept by the metrics project is probably better than the
> database kept by Torstatus. So dropping the db side of torstatus, and
> teaching it to use the db from metrics, would be valuable in that it
> would make things more maintainable.
>
> The front-end from Torstatus is currently more usable, and thus more
> useful, than the front-end on the metrics project. Karsten would like
> somebody to fix the metrics side so it's better, and then we can dump
> Torstatus. That would be great, if it happens, but until it happens,
> making Torstatus better would still be useful.
>
> The problem is that there are basically no Torstatus developers in
> the world, so working on that as a GSoC project would be hard since we
> wouldn't have anybody to mentor you.
>
> But if somebody wants to pick it up as a side hobby, that'd be great. :)
>
> --Roger
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