Re: [tor-talk] Restarting Firefox
On Mon, Apr 16, 2012 at 9:45 PM, Andrew Lewman wrote: > The browser bundle is for tor clients, not relays. If you want to run a > relay, on unixes, then install tor and configure it as a relay. > > We make an assumption that if you are running some sort of unix, you > can handle your package management system, or compile from source, and > edit the torrc file. > > You should easily be able to run both TBB and tor as a relay on your > system. TBB on linux and osx randomizes controlport and socksport to > avoid conflicts with tor's configured as a daemon via torrc. > I can do all these things and more, but I prefer GUI. Many Linux distributions are moving away from "hard-core geek approach", but at the same time even on distros like Ubuntu you can still do everything the old way. As I said: I'm new to Tor and I thought because Vidalia includes the option to run relay this must be the right way to do it. Anyway, I found a solution that works for me. Thank you guys... ___ tor-talk mailing list tor-talk@lists.torproject.org https://lists.torproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/tor-talk
Re: [tor-talk] Recommended method for routing all traffic through Tor on a GNU/Linux distro
> Hi! I've got tor exit relay running on a dedicated host! About to upgrade > > it in a week too! High five to everyone making this project a reality. Thanks for hosting an exit relay. > I'm > wanting all my apps on my desktop to use tor, what is the recommended > method? > polipo or privoxy + tor? Do i really need nph-proxy? I don't see for what you need polipo or privoxy. They are not supplied by Tor by default anymore and if you are now the only one using them, they can harm your anonymity. nph-proxy? Reference? Cgi proxy? You don't need that. > > Is this if you are > just running polipo or privoxy without nph-proxy?: > https://trac.torproject.org/projects/tor/wiki/doc/TransparentProxy Do you know TorBOX already? It's an example setup using the TransparentProxy. You don't have to use it, but it contains a lot information you should know, if you want to go that way. In any case, you shouldn't connect to TransparentProxy / TorBOX over insecure networks (=internet). Because the connection between you and the gateway wouldn't be encrypted. (Unless you add OpenVPN to the connection setup, and there are no instructions how to do that yet.) You are better off, if you do not install the proxy on a remote server. Better use a local transparent proxy. If your client is connected to the proxy by (virtual) wire, it can not jump onto other networks. __ powered by Secure-Mail.biz - anonymous and secure e-mail accounts. ___ tor-talk mailing list tor-talk@lists.torproject.org https://lists.torproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/tor-talk
[tor-talk] Recommended method for routing all traffic through Tor on a GNU/Linux distro
Hi! I've got tor exit relay running on a dedicated host! About to upgrade it in a week too! High five to everyone making this project a reality. I'm wanting all my apps on my desktop to use tor, what is the recommended method? polipo or privoxy + tor? Do i really need nph-proxy? Is this if you are just running polipo or privoxy without nph-proxy?: https://trac.torproject.org/projects/tor/wiki/doc/TransparentProxy Thanks, looking forward to routing all my traffic through Tor! ___ tor-talk mailing list tor-talk@lists.torproject.org https://lists.torproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/tor-talk
Re: [tor-talk] Restarting Firefox
> We make an assumption that if you are running some sort of > unix, you > can handle your package management system, or compile from source, > and > edit the torrc file. No good assumption. Using unix doesn't make you a geek. Ubuntu is one of the most widespread AND newbie friendly distribution. Computers come preinstalled with Ubuntu. > If you are on Windows, we don't have a solution yet for running TBB and > > Tor as a service. Well, to be more clear, we have the solution in > randomizing > ports, but Windows' anti-virus/anti-malware programs think > tor is malware > in this state for some silly reason. So because of these > anti-user programs, > Windows' users suffer for now. Why does it have to be a random port? Why not pick a fixed one? TBB and Tor could use different ports by default. __ powered by Secure-Mail.biz - anonymous and secure e-mail accounts. ___ tor-talk mailing list tor-talk@lists.torproject.org https://lists.torproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/tor-talk
Re: [tor-talk] Tor Public Bridge Email
On Wed, 11 Apr 2012 13:41:30 -0400 Sam Whited wrote: > When requesting bridge addresses via the email system, it only accepts > emails from gmail.com, yahoo.com, and mit.edu. > What's the process for adding domains to this list (or is there one)? I don't believe there is a process per se. We chose those because they enforce valid dkim headers. > I'd love to see `gatech.edu` added. We have a large number of > international students, and many of them are from countries that > disallow access to US media networks. Having an easy way to get bridge > relays might be a plus for those students. Sounds plausible. Can you open a request at https://trac.torproject.org/projects/tor to get this process started? Thanks. -- Andrew http://tpo.is/contact pgp 0x6B4D6475 ___ tor-talk mailing list tor-talk@lists.torproject.org https://lists.torproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/tor-talk
Re: [tor-talk] problem with cache preferences in TBB
On Sat, 14 Apr 2012 19:29:13 + hepta tor wrote: > the IP anonymity test at http://ip-check.info/ suggests that > browser.cache.memory.enable should be set to 'false'. in TBB The question to ask is 'why does it suggest this?' The 'new identity' function in TBB will clear memory cache when invoked. Your answer for why it isn't set now is probably in written in here, https://www.torproject.org/projects/torbrowser/design/ -- Andrew http://tpo.is/contact pgp 0x6B4D6475 ___ tor-talk mailing list tor-talk@lists.torproject.org https://lists.torproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/tor-talk
Re: [tor-talk] Restarting Firefox
On Mon, 16 Apr 2012 16:43:23 +0200 Agapetos wrote: > Hmm... I'm a bit sad to hear that because it's very inconvenient for > some of us to run Firefox 24/7 just because we'd like to help the > network with relaying. Perhaps in the future you will make it a bit > more user-friendly in this regard. The browser bundle is for tor clients, not relays. If you want to run a relay, on unixes, then install tor and configure it as a relay. We make an assumption that if you are running some sort of unix, you can handle your package management system, or compile from source, and edit the torrc file. You should easily be able to run both TBB and tor as a relay on your system. TBB on linux and osx randomizes controlport and socksport to avoid conflicts with tor's configured as a daemon via torrc. If you are on Windows, we don't have a solution yet for running TBB and Tor as a service. Well, to be more clear, we have the solution in randomizing ports, but Windows' anti-virus/anti-malware programs think tor is malware in this state for some silly reason. So because of these anti-user programs, Windows' users suffer for now. -- Andrew http://tpo.is/contact pgp 0x6B4D6475 ___ tor-talk mailing list tor-talk@lists.torproject.org https://lists.torproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/tor-talk
Re: [tor-talk] Restarting Firefox
On 4/16/2012 12:58 PM, AK wrote: I think this should work: 1) Remove the lines: BrowserDirectory=. BrowserExecutable=firefox from Data/Vidalia/vidalia.conf 2) Add the line SocksPort 9050 to Data/Tor/torrc 3)./App/Firefox/firefox -P no-remote and create and run a new profile with Data/profile as the directory On Mon, Apr 16, 2012 at 11:20 AM, Joseph Lorenzo Hallwrote: On Mon, Apr 16, 2012 at 9:39 AM, Andrew Lewman wrote: For some reason on linux, when closing firefox, it doesn't kill vidalia. On osx and windows, closing firefox correctly closes vidalia. Just a correction: On OS X 10.6.8 Vidalia remains open when I quite the TBB FireFox. best, Joe Thanks for the hack to try & run Tor / Vidalia w/o keeping Tor browser open. Don't know in it'll work for Win, but may try it. Note: this subject of being able to close the browser from TBB & not automatically close Tor, was discussed at length a few months ago, on the list. Mike Perry weighed in & seemed to think was a good idea, but haven't seen anything mentioned since. I think a great many users would have a need to keep Tor running in background, but don't want to constantly have the browser running (or don't have enough memory, want to clear the browser, etc.). What do others think about an option to close the browser w/o automatically closing Tor / Vidalia, so some apps & other uses could still run under Tor? They've stressed that the "safest" thing for most users now is to * use the TBB, * but that's locked users into always having the browser open. ___ tor-talk mailing list tor-talk@lists.torproject.org https://lists.torproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/tor-talk
Re: [tor-talk] Restarting Firefox
I don't think that's a clean and easy solution. Your tool laying around on some third party server and barely anyone being aware and using it. Possible solutions: - As a intermediate fix: Simply change the Windows behavior, not to close Vidalia/Tor when Firefox is terminated. (Like already on Linux and OSX.) - Add an option to Vidalia "Do not close Vidalia/Tor, when Tor Browser gets terminated". - Or simply provide two start scripts: start-tor-browser-bundle; start-vidalia-tor. The two start scripts seem the most easy and clean solution to me. One could (auto)start start-vidalia-tor for relaying (or SocksPort for other applications). And start tor-browser later. Finally close tor-browser and keep Vidalia/Tor running. > Ok, understandable. > > then again, SocksPort is just one line.. I mean one > could write a simple > script and publish it for such users (which I might > do in order to stop > this drooling of mine); > > one finds the line, and changes > the port number. Problem #1 solved? > > For relaying, it is a matter of uncommenting, > i.e. removing two hashes from > the beginning - two to ~five lines, depending > on preference. > > Any interest for a program that reads config from torrc, > displays in a > simplistic GUI, and lets the user change options? > > On Mon, > Apr 16, 2012 at 7:43 PM, wrote: > > > > > I'm sorry because I haven't read the entire conversation up until now, > > > but > > > > > > if people are using Ubuntu, what is stopping them > from doing > > > sudo apt-get > > > install tor; > > > > > Will conflict with Tor Browser Bundle. (SocksPort on same port.) > > > > > > configuring relaying in torrc > > > > Vidalia was made for less technical > users, to help them to make those > > adjustments with a gui. We shouldn't > got back to times telling "edit torrc". > > > > > and using > the Firefox/Aurora/whichever > > > > > > browser from TBB (would > need to change the listen port, etc.)? > > > > Complicated again. Instructions > required to do so, that's the reason for > > this thread. The current state > is not really desired. __ powered by Secure-Mail.biz - anonymous and secure e-mail accounts. ___ tor-talk mailing list tor-talk@lists.torproject.org https://lists.torproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/tor-talk
Re: [tor-talk] Restarting Firefox
I think this should work: 1) Remove the lines: BrowserDirectory=. BrowserExecutable=firefox from Data/Vidalia/vidalia.conf 2) Add the line SocksPort 9050 to Data/Tor/torrc 3)./App/Firefox/firefox -P no-remote and create and run a new profile with Data/profile as the directory On Mon, Apr 16, 2012 at 11:20 AM, Joseph Lorenzo Hall wrote: > On Mon, Apr 16, 2012 at 9:39 AM, Andrew Lewman > wrote: > > > > For some reason on linux, when closing firefox, it doesn't kill > > vidalia. On osx and windows, closing firefox correctly closes vidalia. > > Just a correction: On OS X 10.6.8 Vidalia remains open when I quite > the TBB FireFox. best, Joe > > -- > Joseph Lorenzo Hall > Postdoctoral Research Fellow > Media, Culture and Communication > New York University > https://josephhall.org/ > ___ > tor-talk mailing list > tor-talk@lists.torproject.org > https://lists.torproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/tor-talk > ___ tor-talk mailing list tor-talk@lists.torproject.org https://lists.torproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/tor-talk
Re: [tor-talk] Restarting Firefox
On Mon, Apr 16, 2012 at 9:39 AM, Andrew Lewman wrote: > > For some reason on linux, when closing firefox, it doesn't kill > vidalia. On osx and windows, closing firefox correctly closes vidalia. Just a correction: On OS X 10.6.8 Vidalia remains open when I quite the TBB FireFox. best, Joe -- Joseph Lorenzo Hall Postdoctoral Research Fellow Media, Culture and Communication New York University https://josephhall.org/ ___ tor-talk mailing list tor-talk@lists.torproject.org https://lists.torproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/tor-talk
Re: [tor-talk] Restarting Firefox
Ok, understandable. then again, SocksPort is just one line.. I mean one could write a simple script and publish it for such users (which I might do in order to stop this drooling of mine); one finds the line, and changes the port number. Problem #1 solved? For relaying, it is a matter of uncommenting, i.e. removing two hashes from the beginning - two to ~five lines, depending on preference. Any interest for a program that reads config from torrc, displays in a simplistic GUI, and lets the user change options? On Mon, Apr 16, 2012 at 7:43 PM, wrote: > > I'm sorry because I haven't read the entire conversation up until now, > but > > > > if people are using Ubuntu, what is stopping them from doing > > sudo apt-get > > install tor; > > Will conflict with Tor Browser Bundle. (SocksPort on same port.) > > > configuring relaying in torrc > > Vidalia was made for less technical users, to help them to make those > adjustments with a gui. We shouldn't got back to times telling "edit torrc". > > > and using the Firefox/Aurora/whichever > > > > browser from TBB (would need to change the listen port, etc.)? > > Complicated again. Instructions required to do so, that's the reason for > this thread. The current state is not really desired. > > __ > powered by Secure-Mail.biz - anonymous and secure e-mail accounts. > > ___ > tor-talk mailing list > tor-talk@lists.torproject.org > https://lists.torproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/tor-talk > ___ tor-talk mailing list tor-talk@lists.torproject.org https://lists.torproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/tor-talk
Re: [tor-talk] Restarting Firefox
> I'm sorry because I haven't read the entire conversation up until now, but > > if people are using Ubuntu, what is stopping them from doing > sudo apt-get > install tor; Will conflict with Tor Browser Bundle. (SocksPort on same port.) > configuring relaying in torrc Vidalia was made for less technical users, to help them to make those adjustments with a gui. We shouldn't got back to times telling "edit torrc". > and using the Firefox/Aurora/whichever > > browser from TBB (would need to change the listen port, etc.)? Complicated again. Instructions required to do so, that's the reason for this thread. The current state is not really desired. __ powered by Secure-Mail.biz - anonymous and secure e-mail accounts. ___ tor-talk mailing list tor-talk@lists.torproject.org https://lists.torproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/tor-talk
Re: [tor-talk] Restarting Firefox
I'm sorry because I haven't read the entire conversation up until now, but if people are using Ubuntu, what is stopping them from doing sudo apt-get install tor; configuring relaying in torrc and using the Firefox/Aurora/whichever browser from TBB (would need to change the listen port, etc.)? tor can run as a daemon; furthermore, you'd have such tools as *torify *so you could just do torify wget http://something or whatever. I think it's more versatile/flexible this way, no? if I'm 'out of my element', sorry :) On Mon, Apr 16, 2012 at 6:16 PM, Agapetos wrote: > On Mon, Apr 16, 2012 at 2:41 PM, wrote: > > > In meanwhile I did setup a workaround for your issue. Please test and > > leave feedback. > > > > > https://trac.torproject.org/projects/tor/wiki/doc/TorifyHOWTO/WebBrowsers#LeaveVidaliaRunningwhileclosingFirefoxTorBrowserUNTESTED > > > > OK, I just tried this and it seems to be working. I installed Tor and > Vidalia from official Tor Ubuntu repository (deb > http://deb.torproject.org/torproject.org main) and I'm > using > browser from TBB package. > ___ > tor-talk mailing list > tor-talk@lists.torproject.org > https://lists.torproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/tor-talk > ___ tor-talk mailing list tor-talk@lists.torproject.org https://lists.torproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/tor-talk
Re: [tor-talk] Restarting Firefox
On Mon, Apr 16, 2012 at 2:41 PM, wrote: > In meanwhile I did setup a workaround for your issue. Please test and > leave feedback. > > https://trac.torproject.org/projects/tor/wiki/doc/TorifyHOWTO/WebBrowsers#LeaveVidaliaRunningwhileclosingFirefoxTorBrowserUNTESTED > OK, I just tried this and it seems to be working. I installed Tor and Vidalia from official Tor Ubuntu repository (deb http://deb.torproject.org/torproject.org main) and I'm using browser from TBB package. ___ tor-talk mailing list tor-talk@lists.torproject.org https://lists.torproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/tor-talk
Re: [tor-talk] Restarting Firefox
Hmm... I'm a bit sad to hear that because it's very inconvenient for some of us to run Firefox 24/7 just because we'd like to help the network with relaying. Perhaps in the future you will make it a bit more user-friendly in this regard. ___ tor-talk mailing list tor-talk@lists.torproject.org https://lists.torproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/tor-talk
[tor-talk] [liberationtech] TOR router on D2Plug...
- Forwarded message from Chad Hurley - From: Chad Hurley Date: Mon, 16 Apr 2012 09:44:32 -0400 To: liberationt...@lists.stanford.edu Subject: [liberationtech] TOR router on D2Plug... User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:11.0) Gecko/20120329 Thunderbird/11.0.1 Hi All; I'm looking for a little guidance here. I have found documents for getting Debian / TOR router working on the DreamPlug here: https://trac.torproject.org/projects/tor/wiki/doc/DebianDreamPlug I have a Dream2Plug (D2Plug) that I am working with and I was wondering if anyone has used these instructions for loading Debian / Tor on that device or if anyone has a successful install for which they would be willing to share their process. Thanks, Chad ___ liberationtech mailing list liberationt...@lists.stanford.edu Should you need to change your subscription options, please go to: https://mailman.stanford.edu/mailman/listinfo/liberationtech If you would like to receive a daily digest, click "yes" (once you click above) next to "would you like to receive list mail batched in a daily digest?" You will need the user name and password you receive from the list moderator in monthly reminders. You may ask for a reminder here: https://mailman.stanford.edu/mailman/listinfo/liberationtech Should you need immediate assistance, please contact the list moderator. Please don't forget to follow us on http://twitter.com/#!/Liberationtech - End forwarded message - -- Eugen* Leitl http://leitl.org";>leitl http://leitl.org __ ICBM: 48.07100, 11.36820 http://www.ativel.com http://postbiota.org 8B29F6BE: 099D 78BA 2FD3 B014 B08A 7779 75B0 2443 8B29 F6BE ___ tor-talk mailing list tor-talk@lists.torproject.org https://lists.torproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/tor-talk
Re: [tor-talk] Restarting Firefox
> The only safe way to start TBB is to run 'start-tor-browser'. Any > other > method will cause TBB to be in some odd state. Can you expand this please? Odd state in sense of no functionality or negative implications on anonymity? __ powered by Secure-Mail.biz - anonymous and secure e-mail accounts. ___ tor-talk mailing list tor-talk@lists.torproject.org https://lists.torproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/tor-talk
Re: [tor-talk] Restarting Firefox
On Mon, 16 Apr 2012 11:45:54 +0200 Agapetos wrote: > My computer is old and I can't afford to run Firefox non-stop, so I > close it when I don't use it and leave Vidalia running (I have a > relay set up). When I try to run Firefox again from > "tor-browser_en-US/App/Firefox/" directory by clicking on "firefox" > executable, it fails to run. If I run it in terminal like this > ".App/Firefox/firefox -no-remote -profile ./Data/profile/ &" it opens > successfully, but I get the following message: " *The proxy server is > refusing connections. Firefox is configured to use a proxy server > that is refusing connections.*" So how should I start the browser > correctly when Vidalia is already running? The only safe way to start TBB is to run 'start-tor-browser'. Any other method will cause TBB to be in some odd state. For some reason on linux, when closing firefox, it doesn't kill vidalia. On osx and windows, closing firefox correctly closes vidalia. -- Andrew http://tpo.is/contact pgp 0x6B4D6475 ___ tor-talk mailing list tor-talk@lists.torproject.org https://lists.torproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/tor-talk
Re: [tor-talk] Restarting Firefox
It is really weird, that Vidalia closes by default, when you close Firefox. There is no option to change that. It does not make sense, if people are expected, to enable contributing to the Tor network using Vidalia. No one can be expected to leave Firefox running 24/7. Do we have a ticket about this issue? In meanwhile I did setup a workaround for your issue. Please test and leave feedback. https://trac.torproject.org/projects/tor/wiki/doc/TorifyHOWTO/WebBrowsers#LeaveVidaliaRunningwhileclosingFirefoxTorBrowserUNTESTED Wait if better answers come. (Perhaps I have overseen the option.) > Greetings, > > I'm a newbie in Onionland—I installed TBB on my Linux machine 2 > days > ago—and I have a question: > > My computer is old and I can't afford to run > Firefox non-stop, so I close > it when I don't use it and leave Vidalia running > (I have a relay set up). > When I try to run Firefox again from "tor-browser_en-US/App/Firefox/" > directory > by clicking on "firefox" executable, it fails to run. If I run > it > in terminal like this ".App/Firefox/firefox -no-remote -profile > ./Data/profile/ > &" it opens successfully, but I get the following message: " > *The > proxy server is refusing connections. Firefox is configured to use a > proxy > server that is refusing connections.*" So how should I start the > browser > correctly when Vidalia is already running? > > > Thanks! > Agapetos > ___ > tor-talk > mailing list > tor-talk@lists.torproject.org > https://lists.torproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/tor-talk __ powered by Secure-Mail.biz - anonymous and secure e-mail accounts. ___ tor-talk mailing list tor-talk@lists.torproject.org https://lists.torproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/tor-talk
[tor-talk] Restarting Firefox
Greetings, I'm a newbie in Onionland—I installed TBB on my Linux machine 2 days ago—and I have a question: My computer is old and I can't afford to run Firefox non-stop, so I close it when I don't use it and leave Vidalia running (I have a relay set up). When I try to run Firefox again from "tor-browser_en-US/App/Firefox/" directory by clicking on "firefox" executable, it fails to run. If I run it in terminal like this ".App/Firefox/firefox -no-remote -profile ./Data/profile/ &" it opens successfully, but I get the following message: " *The proxy server is refusing connections. Firefox is configured to use a proxy server that is refusing connections.*" So how should I start the browser correctly when Vidalia is already running? Thanks! Agapetos ___ tor-talk mailing list tor-talk@lists.torproject.org https://lists.torproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/tor-talk
