Re: [tor-talk] News from Iran

2012-10-04 Thread Andrew Lewis
Wow, that surprises me.

I know that Syria blocks it with firewalls, and that Syria often seems to take 
their cues from what Iran does. 

-Andrew


On Oct 4, 2012, at 12:22 AM, and...@torproject.is wrote:

> On Wed, Oct 03, 2012 at 05:41:05PM -0400, and...@pdqvpn.com wrote 1.0K bytes 
> in 34 lines about:
> : IPsec is trivially easy to block. Most countries do it at the edge with 
> simple port based firewalls.
> 
> Yes, but not sure they actually block it. As of 6 months ago, china
> ignored ipsec.
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2012-10-04 Thread daerubi hilmi

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Re: [tor-talk] News from Iran

2012-10-04 Thread Runa A. Sandvik
On Thu, Oct 4, 2012 at 5:22 AM,   wrote:
> On Wed, Oct 03, 2012 at 05:41:05PM -0400, and...@pdqvpn.com wrote 1.0K bytes 
> in 34 lines about:
> : IPsec is trivially easy to block. Most countries do it at the edge with 
> simple port based firewalls.
>
> Yes, but not sure they actually block it. As of 6 months ago, china
> ignored ipsec.

IPSec was blocked in Ethiopia a few months ago, as far as I know. I
wouldn't be surprised if China is blocking it as well.

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Re: [tor-talk] install adobe flash player on TBB

2012-10-04 Thread esolve esolve
yes, it is disabled in some TBB package
but it is absent in other TBB package, how can I install adobe flash on
those TBB package?


2012/10/4 

> On Wed, Oct 03, 2012 at 10:20:26PM +0200, esolvepol...@gmail.com wrote
> 0.5K bytes in 13 lines about:
> :   I noticed that for some TBB packages on linux, the browser are with
> : shockwave flash plugin, while in some other TBB packages, there is no
> flash
> : plugin?
>
> We don't ship TBB with flash on any OS. If you already have Flash
> installed, TBB may find it but leave it disabled by default.
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Re: [tor-talk] News from Iran

2012-10-04 Thread andrew
On Thu, Oct 04, 2012 at 08:40:58AM +0100, runa.sand...@gmail.com wrote 0.6K 
bytes in 16 lines about:
: IPSec was blocked in Ethiopia a few months ago, as far as I know. I
: wouldn't be surprised if China is blocking it as well.

It would be great to have empirical data rather than "we think this is
true because it sounds good". I wonder how we can get this data without
spending tons of money buying VMs everywhere.

Someday ooni will be up and running for us to do point tests.

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Re: [tor-talk] install adobe flash player on TBB

2012-10-04 Thread andrew
On Thu, Oct 04, 2012 at 11:53:25AM +0200, esolvepol...@gmail.com wrote 0.9K 
bytes in 30 lines about:
: yes, it is disabled in some TBB package
: but it is absent in other TBB package, how can I install adobe flash on
: those TBB package?

Please detail which packages TBB has enabled Flash. It should be disabled
in all packages on all operating systems all the time.

And frankly, if you want to shoot yourself in the foot, just enable the
plugin in TBB.

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Re: [tor-talk] install adobe flash player on TBB

2012-10-04 Thread esolve esolve
no, in some package, flash plugin is not enabled in TBB by default
but in some packages, flash plugin is missing
I'm just wondering how to install the flash plugin

2012/10/4 

> On Thu, Oct 04, 2012 at 11:53:25AM +0200, esolvepol...@gmail.com wrote
> 0.9K bytes in 30 lines about:
> : yes, it is disabled in some TBB package
> : but it is absent in other TBB package, how can I install adobe flash on
> : those TBB package?
>
> Please detail which packages TBB has enabled Flash. It should be disabled
> in all packages on all operating systems all the time.
>
> And frankly, if you want to shoot yourself in the foot, just enable the
> plugin in TBB.
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[tor-talk] SMS app for droid

2012-10-04 Thread First Last
Is there a decent SMS app that works on droid which can have all traffic 
funneled through Tor ok?  Once upon a time I believe I had TextPlus setup on an 
iOS device and seemed like it used HTTPS traffic to talk to their servers, and 
Tor was working with it as far as I could tell. Is there anything like this for 
droid?  This would be a rooted 2.3.7 device.
Thanks!
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Re: [tor-talk] News from Iran

2012-10-04 Thread David Goulet
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Just a quick note on China and IPsec.

Less than a month or so, I know and confirmed that a certain company
inside China still uses Cisco IPsec to communicate with their outside
division (EU). I can't name the company here but it is a big one. I
worked on that project a while ago and checked recently with a
colleague which confirmed me that the tunnel is sill in operation.

The question now is if it has ties with the government for that kind
of services or not. (bribe, influence,  that I don't know).

Thanks!
David

and...@torproject.is:
> On Wed, Oct 03, 2012 at 05:41:05PM -0400, and...@pdqvpn.com wrote
> 1.0K bytes in 34 lines about: : IPsec is trivially easy to block.
> Most countries do it at the edge with simple port based firewalls.
> 
> Yes, but not sure they actually block it. As of 6 months ago,
> china ignored ipsec.
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Re: [tor-talk] Can we come up with a lighter, easier torified client apps ?

2012-10-04 Thread Tom Ritter
On 4 October 2012 00:27,   wrote:
> I think you would be the first to want this

I don't know if I'd say that... I think TorBrowser could be improved
by integrating Tor+Vidalia+Firefox into a single app.  This may also
go towards fixing the user confusion with having several windows
running.  Or imagine a VirtualBox where all network traffic from the
VM was automatically sent over Tor.. because Tor was embedded in it's
network emulation.

Of course those are the huge, monolithic cases.  Take simpler apps
like gpg, ssh, putty, pidgin (god help us), git, svn.  While tracking
upstream would certainly be a problem, having a statically linked tor
and a modified binary that sent everything over Tor I think would go a
long way towards getting average users using Tor safely... without
ever having to say the words "Proxy"  or "Socks" to them.

I guess the problems to overcome would be to figure out a way to track
upstream easily and identifying use cases where people would really
benefit from specific tools, to focus on those first.  TorPidginOTR
seems like it'd be a likely candidate... unless there's a
non-libpurple OTR-enabled chat client.

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Re: [tor-talk] install adobe flash player on TBB

2012-10-04 Thread Andrew Lewman
On Thu, 4 Oct 2012 14:15:51 +0200
esolve esolve  wrote:

> no, in some package, flash plugin is not enabled in TBB by default
> but in some packages, flash plugin is missing
> I'm just wondering how to install the flash plugin

In all packages we create/provide, flash is disabled by default. Again,
please detail the operating system, tbb version, and which packages
have flash enabled by default.

The flash plugin appearing or not is dependent upon adobe flash being
installed in the operating system. If flash is installed in the
operating system already, then you start tbb, it is possible to enable
the flash plugin in tbb. If you enable flash in tbb, you may lose all
of your anonymity, data, and your milk may be sour as a result of a
rogue flash application exfiltrating all of your identity and data from
your system over tor or not.

If you don't understand these instructions, then don't try to use flash
with tor.

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Re: [tor-talk] SMS app for droid

2012-10-04 Thread Nathan Freitas


Gibberbot is XMPP/instant messaging not SMS, but essentially works like
SMS through a service like Jabber, Gmail or Facebook.

SMS is not an IP based protocol, so running it over Tor doesn't make
much sense.

+n


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Re: [tor-talk] SMS app for droid

2012-10-04 Thread First Last
TextPlus is an external company/app that lets you login to their system and 
send SMS.  The connection I think is HTTPS based from the device, and their 
system handles SMS delivery.

The apps exist for iOS and android - just wanting to know if there's anything 
else out there like this that can be router through Tor, something that would 
have an HTTP/HTTPS based connection to begin with I suppose.  I'm not 
knowledgeable enough to know exactly what I'm looking for, unless I've already 
got the understanding?
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Re: [tor-talk] Can we come up with a lighter, easier torified client apps ?

2012-10-04 Thread Mansour Moufid
On 2012-10-04, at 9:45 AM, Tom Ritter wrote:

> Of course those are the huge, monolithic cases.  Take simpler apps
> like gpg, ssh, putty, pidgin (god help us), git, svn.  While tracking
> upstream would certainly be a problem, having a statically linked tor
> and a modified binary that sent everything over Tor I think would go a
> long way towards getting average users using Tor safely... without
> ever having to say the words "Proxy"  or "Socks" to them.

I do think proxying through a single daemon is best. But there could
also be a simple, graphical equivalent of "torify". Perhaps a Torify
icon on the desktop that you drag and drop application icons on. Or a
right-click "Launch with Tor" option.

But statically linked torX applications for all X would quickly become a
packaging nightmare.

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Re: [tor-talk] install adobe flash player on TBB

2012-10-04 Thread esolve esolve
2012/10/4 Andrew Lewman 

> On Thu, 4 Oct 2012 14:15:51 +0200
> esolve esolve  wrote:
>
> > no, in some package, flash plugin is not enabled in TBB by default
> > but in some packages, flash plugin is missing
> > I'm just wondering how to install the flash plugin
>
> In all packages we create/provide, flash is disabled by default. Again,
> please detail the operating system, tbb version, and which packages
> have flash enabled by default.
>
---
I don't know in which packages the flash is enabled, I didn't say that
flash is enabled on any package
I just mentioned that in some package I can find the plugin, through
"Tools->add on->plugin"  although it is disabled
but in some packages I can't find the plugin through "Tools->add on->plugin"
I tried windows 64bit, linux 32 bit and 64 bit



>
> The flash plugin appearing or not is dependent upon adobe flash being
> installed in the operating system. If flash is installed in the
> operating system already, then you start tbb, it is possible to enable
> the flash plugin in tbb.


I have all my system installed with flash, but on linux 64bit machine,
flash plugin is in firefox but not in TBB browser.



> If you enable flash in tbb, you may lose all
> of your anonymity, data, and your milk may be sour as a result of a
> rogue flash application exfiltrating all of your identity and data from
> your system over tor or not.
>
>

thanks for the information. I don't mind that at the moment.
and  when viewing youtube, I  captured packets on the network interface, I
noticed that all traffic is through the Tor node
so it seems that flash doesn't bypass the proxy setting at all.


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Re: [tor-talk] install adobe flash player on TBB

2012-10-04 Thread Seth David Schoen
esolve esolve writes:

> and  when viewing youtube, I  captured packets on the network interface, I
> noticed that all traffic is through the Tor node
> so it seems that flash doesn't bypass the proxy setting at all.

The TBB developers' concern about proxy bypass is that sites _can_ make
Flash bypass the proxy (if they decide to), not that it always bypasses
the proxy.  Whether the proxy bypass occurs depends on the particular
Flash applet, so while the YouTube applet (for example) is apparently
safe, other applets are not safe.  This is a problem because people might
actively try to identify Tor users, for instance by trying to get them
to visit pages that embed Flash applets that do cause a proxy bypass.
(Exit node operators could try to do this too: they could modify the
HTML code returned by a web site to add an iframe that loads a Flash
applet to cause a proxy bypass.)

So, it's not that Tor users always lose their anonymity when they use
Flash, but that Tor users could lose their anonymity when they use
Flash.

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Re: [tor-talk] "Little Snitch" for tor!

2012-10-04 Thread Jerzy Łogiewa
Hello Andrew!

This may work! How to setup? Mac hasn't the ipchains and other tools.

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On Oct 4, 2012, at 12:29 AM, and...@torproject.is wrote:

> In the Mac specific context, you could deny all outgoing connections
> and then only allow the tor process to exit. You'll then have a firewall
> log full of apps and connections trying to get out.
> 
> I know this isn't what you want specifically, but it's one way to do it.

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Re: [tor-talk] "Little Snitch" for tor!

2012-10-04 Thread Jerzy Łogiewa
Yes but blocking and allowing per app. "Safari should connect by tor exit"

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On Oct 3, 2012, at 1:12 PM, Runa A. Sandvik wrote:

>> Since it dont work with tor, I would like to see app like "Little Snitch" on 
>> Mac for tor connections. It look like 
>> this:http://www.filescrunch.com/images/downloads/screenshots/4000/3511-1.jpg
>> 
>> Does anyone work on this type of app? What is some not GUI way of doing it 
>> now?
> 
> You mean an app that would automatically allow TCP connections to
> various ports for known Tor relays?

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Re: [tor-talk] SMS app for droid

2012-10-04 Thread Nathan Freitas
On 10/04/2012 08:51 PM, First Last wrote:
> The apps exist for iOS and android - just wanting to know if there's anything 
> else out there like this that can be router through Tor, something that would 
> have an HTTP/HTTPS based connection to begin with I suppose.  I'm not 
> knowledgeable enough to know exactly what I'm looking for, unless I've 
> already got the understanding?

I understand. If you have a rooted device, you can run Orbot with
transparent proxying, and all apps will go through Tor.

Otherwise, the apps that support Orbot/Tor on an unrooted, stock device
are Orweb (browser), Gibberbot (chat/IM), Twitter, DuckDuckGo (search),
and Firefox with the Proxy Mobile add-on.




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Re: [tor-talk] Can we come up with a lighter, easier torified client apps ?

2012-10-04 Thread John Case


Tom, Andrew,

On Thu, 4 Oct 2012, Tom Ritter wrote:


Of course those are the huge, monolithic cases.  Take simpler apps
like gpg, ssh, putty, pidgin (god help us), git, svn.  While tracking
upstream would certainly be a problem, having a statically linked tor
and a modified binary that sent everything over Tor I think would go a
long way towards getting average users using Tor safely... without
ever having to say the words "Proxy"  or "Socks" to them.



I'm a unix engineer and a coder, and even *I* sometime just don't feel up 
to constructing an entire proxy environment just to make an SSH connection 
over Tor.


And it's not just a case of setup time - there is assurance and testing 
and periodic fiddling with just to make sure you did it right, have it 
right and will continue to have it right.  And then you wake up at night 
and wonder if you really, really have the DNS leaking taken care of.


I know it's a big can of worms, since everyone has their favorite little 
binaries, but surely ssh is a good start :)

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Re: [tor-talk] Can we come up with a lighter, easier torified client apps ?

2012-10-04 Thread Ted Smith
On Thu, 2012-10-04 at 22:36 +, John Case wrote:
> Tom, Andrew,
> 
> On Thu, 4 Oct 2012, Tom Ritter wrote:
> 
> > Of course those are the huge, monolithic cases.  Take simpler apps
> > like gpg, ssh, putty, pidgin (god help us), git, svn.  While tracking
> > upstream would certainly be a problem, having a statically linked tor
> > and a modified binary that sent everything over Tor I think would go a
> > long way towards getting average users using Tor safely... without
> > ever having to say the words "Proxy"  or "Socks" to them.
> 
> 
> I'm a unix engineer and a coder, and even *I* sometime just don't feel up 
> to constructing an entire proxy environment just to make an SSH connection 
> over Tor.
> 
> And it's not just a case of setup time - there is assurance and testing 
> and periodic fiddling with just to make sure you did it right, have it 
> right and will continue to have it right.  And then you wake up at night 
> and wonder if you really, really have the DNS leaking taken care of.
> 
> I know it's a big can of worms, since everyone has their favorite little 
> binaries, but surely ssh is a good start :)

Have you tried 'torsocks '?

Tor doesn't really make sense as a static library, or a library at all.
If you want to get proxied sockets, use any SOCKS library and point it
at Tor.

Tor (running only as an Onion Proxy or "client") has a large amount of
application-neutral state -- would every 'favorite little binary' set up
a separate set of circuits pre-emptively?

If you can sit down with the Tor source code and come up with a
compelling narrative for a Tor library that isn't just a SOCKS library,
I'd be interested in reading it, but I just don't see how the current
Tor design/implementation is in any way amenable to this.

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[tor-talk] Help with Tor and Flash Player plugin struggle

2012-10-04 Thread numetro


Hello tor-talk members,

I've now tried everything and I cannot get ANY Flash content to play in 
this Tor-Firefox ESR web browser, even though I've tried installing the 
Flash player plugin that this browser asks for when I'm on a YouTube 
page (and even though this computer already had a current Flash Player 
plugin installed previously).


Let me make it clear that privacy is not important to me _/*right now*/_ 
during this quest to make the Flash Player plugin work with this Tor 
browser... I can reset any settings for maximum privacy later when I go 
back to that purpose for using Tor... right now, I'm just trying to make 
the Tor browser play Flash content.


So even though I've /*UNCHECKED*/ the /*Torbutton>Preferences>Security 
Settings>Disable plugin during Tor usage*/ box, and I installed a new 
Flash player plugin /*THROUGH*/ this browser, and I even set it to allow 
all scripts because I thought maybe that was complicating things, /*IT 
STILL WILL NOT PLAY FLASH CONTENT OF ANY TYPE*/.


/*Now, this, explained below, could be part of the problem that I'd like 
to ask for your help with...*/


If I go to the Tor Browser folder on my hard drive at /*C:>Tor 
Browser>FirefoxPortable>Data>plugins*/ there are NO Flash plugin files 
that show up in that folder even after I install a new Flash Player 
plugin THROUGH this browser... I believe that is why it will not play 
Flash content.



All it does when I install a Flash Player plugin through this Tor 
browser is to overwrite my Windows 7 system Flash Player plugin, but it 
does not actually place any Flash Player plugin files in the /*C:>Tor 
Browser>FirefoxPortable>Data>plugins*/ folder, so that's why this 
PORTABLE version of the Firefox ESR browser will not play any Flash 
content... and it doesn't work from the Windows system Flash Player 
plugin the way that my normal Firefox (NON-TOR) web browser does.  My 
other Firefox web browser sees the the Windows system Flash Player 
plugin just fine and it does play Flash content correctly.


There is, however, one text file that comes stock inside the Tor browser 
plugins folder and when it is opened it says, /*"Place Firefox plugins 
in this directory (Flash, Shockwave, etc)"*/.



So with some advice from someone on the Adobe help forum, I tried 
copying the Flash Player plugin files from the Windows system folder at 
/*C:>Windows>System32>Macromed>Flash*/ in to the Tor browser plugins 
folder at /*C:>Tor Browser>FirefoxPortable>Data>plugins*/, and that 
still didn't work.


Note that I am closing and re-opening the Tor browser between each of 
these tests.


So I then followed some further advice from the expert on the Adobe help 
forum and I changed the name of the main Flash Player plugin file that I 
had copied and pasted in to the Tor browser plugins folder from 
/*"NPSWF32_11_4_402_278.dll"*/ to /*"NPSWF32.dll"*/, and that still did 
not work... note that I left all the other files that I copied and 
pasted from the Windows system Flash plugins folder with the same name 
they originally had... I tried only changing that one Flash plugin file 
name, as instructed by the expert on the Adobe help forum.


I also tried posting a question about this on the Mozilla Firefox forum, 
but no one there is able to answer this question.


What the problem seems to be is that when this Tor-Firefox ESR 10.0.7 
browser installs a Flash Player plugin, it just installs it to the 
Windows system folder /*(the same way that the normal (non-Tor) Firefox 
browser does)*/ and _/*NOT*/_  into the Tor-Firefox plugins folder 
/*C:>Tor Browser>FirefoxPortable>Data>plugins*/, as would be needed for 
it to be able to play Flash content.


No matter what I do, whenever I try to view a YouTube video or any Flash 
video in this browser, or any Flash graphic content at all, I get the 
yellow bar at the top of the page that says /*"Additional plugins are 
required to display all the media on this page - Install Missing 
Plugins"*/ and there is a banner displayed where the Flash content is 
supposed to be that says, /*"The Adobe Flash Player is required for 
video playback - Get the latest Flash Player"*/.


And as I explained at the top of this email, I have already installed 
and re-installed the Flash Player plugin on this computer multiple 
times, including doing it directly through this Tor-Firefox ESR browser 
itself.


/*So can ANYONE there tell me how to get the correct Flash Player plugin 
files in to the Tor-Firefox browser plugins folder at C:>Tor 
Browser>FirefoxPortable>Data>plugins, and where do I get those files?  
Everything I've tried, which is pretty extensive, has not worked, and it 
seems that someone there should know about this.*/


Thanks for your help,

numetro
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Re: [tor-talk] TorBirdy: what are the known problems with 0.11?

2012-10-04 Thread Sukhbir Singh
Hi,

antispa...@sent.at:
>> Also, please use 0.0.13 and not 0.0.11, there are many important bug
>> fixes. 0.0.13 will be available from Mozilla add-ons soon (we have
>> submitted it for review) [2].
> 
> Sukhbir, could you make a small tutorial on how to test TorBirdy? I'm
> willing to create one or two free accounts via TBB and do the checking,
> but I have no idea how.

There is no tutorial/ detailed documentation available yet, but tagnaq
is writing a user manual for TorBirdy and it should be available soon
[0]; for now, you can refer to the (short) TorBirdy installation guide
at [1].

[0] - https://trac.torproject.org/projects/tor/ticket/6446
[1] - https://trac.torproject.org/projects/tor/ticket/6446#comment:1

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[tor-talk] TorBirdy 0.0.13 now available from Mozilla Add-ons

2012-10-04 Thread Sukhbir Singh
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Hi,

TorBirdy 0.0.13 has passed preliminary review and is now available
from Mozilla Add-ons. You can install TorBirdy 0.0.13 directly from
Thunderbird or by downloading the extension in a web browser from:

https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/thunderbird/addon/torbirdy/

TorBirdy is also available from the Tor Project's servers:

https://www.torproject.org/dist/torbirdy/

TorBirdy has been translated into English, German, Serbian, Punjabi,
French, Hebrew, Spanish and Dutch. We are looking to translate
TorBirdy in more languages that matter to you or your friends. You can
help translate TorBirdy resources on Transifex:

https://www.transifex.com/projects/p/torproject/resources/

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Re: [tor-talk] Help with Tor and Flash Player plugin struggle

2012-10-04 Thread k e bera
On Thu, 4 Oct 2012 16:37:00 -0700
numetro  wrote:

> I've now tried everything and I cannot get ANY Flash content to play in 
> this Tor-Firefox ESR web browser, even though I've tried installing the 
> Flash player plugin that this browser asks for when I'm on a YouTube 
> page (and even though this computer already had a current Flash Player 
> plugin installed previously).
> 
> Let me make it clear that privacy is not important to me _/*right now*/_ 
> during this quest to make the Flash Player plugin work with this Tor 
> browser... I can reset any settings for maximum privacy later when I go 
> back to that purpose for using Tor... right now, I'm just trying to make 
> the Tor browser play Flash content.

i have gotten Flash content to play on Youtube with the Gnash player plugin 
(using RequestPolicy to restrict who gets to see my requests) but it is 
necessary to enable plugins and 3rd party cookies for the session.  even then 
it doesnt work for all videos.  you can bypass Flash on Youtube if you enable 
HTML5 enabled or manually add &webm=1 to the url, but it doesnt work for all 
videos especially for those that interact with doubleclick.net (i wouldnt be 
sad if someone nuked those parasites).

> So even though I've /*UNCHECKED*/ the /*Torbutton>Preferences>Security 
> Settings>Disable plugin during Tor usage*/ box, and I installed a new 
> Flash player plugin /*THROUGH*/ this browser, and I even set it to allow 
> all scripts because I thought maybe that was complicating things, /*IT 
> STILL WILL NOT PLAY FLASH CONTENT OF ANY TYPE*/.
> 
> /*Now, this, explained below, could be part of the problem that I'd like 
> to ask for your help with...*/
> 
> If I go to the Tor Browser folder on my hard drive at /*C:>Tor 
> Browser>FirefoxPortable>Data>plugins*/ there are NO Flash plugin files 
> that show up in that folder even after I install a new Flash Player 
> plugin THROUGH this browser... I believe that is why it will not play 
> Flash content.

It is very helpful to set the save folder in Gnash, so you can use another 
player to view vids later.

Not useful for you on Windows.  Maybe time to switch to gnu/linux? ;)

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