[tor-talk] answers of Ms Kroes on EP questions
Hi, Ms. Kroes has answered the parliamentary questions on blocking access to the users of Tor to the website of the European Commission. The questions were: The Commission is blocking access to its website for users of TOR (The Onion Router). TOR is a technology that enables people to surf the web anonymously. It has become increasingly popular since it played a role in facilitating the Arab Spring movement. 1. Why is the Commission partially censoring Internet access to its site whilst at the same time it is conducting a public consultation on net neutrality? 2. What compromise does the Commission propose between, on the one hand, the goal of transparency that it is pursuing in terms of traffic management and, on the other, respect for anonymity and data protection as advocated by TOR? The answer of ms. Kroes: The Commission is committed to maintaining the open and neutral character of the Internet. At the same time the Commission strictly respects the legislation on the protection of personal data. The Commission's public consultation on ‘specific aspects of transparency, traffic management and switching in an Open Internet’ is open to everyone. The Commission understands and respects that citizens may prefer to stay anonymous when accessing websites hosted on Europa. Nevertheless, the Commission has the duty to take all the necessary measures to ensure a high rate of availability of its websites for all citizens. The Commission therefore needs to ensure the reliability and security of its networks and websites (and those it manages for other institutions) against (cyber-)attacks. In this context the Commission takes all the measures deemed necessary to mitigate risks and counteract attacks that occur, taking account of the technical specificities of the latter. Personal data of respondents to the Commission's public consultation is strictly protected in line with EU data protection legislation. For transparency purposes the responses to the public consultation questionnaire will be published. However, all respondents have the possibility to indicate after each question, whether their response contains confidential information. If the respondent mentions that the answer is confidential, it will not be published. See also: http://www.europarl.europa.eu/sides/getDoc.do?type=WQreference=E-2012-007574language=EN -- Rejo Zenger . r...@zenger.nl . 0x21DBEFD4 . https://rejo.zenger.nl GPG encrypted e-mail preferred . +31.6.39642738 . @rejozenger signature.asc Description: Message signed with OpenPGP using GPGMail ___ tor-talk mailing list tor-talk@lists.torproject.org https://lists.torproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/tor-talk
[tor-talk] Tor coverage by Japanese media
Tor was just covered in Japanese media. (NHK) I haven't seen it yet (it won't be coming to Japanese channel in the States until 20th...) but it'd be interesting to see how this will affect Tor metrics. http://www.nhk.or.jp/zero/contents/dsp402.html Incidentally, I was actually interviewed by NHK about what Tor is useful for, however, had to be cut because of time constraints :-( Hideki Saito hide...@gmail.com ___ tor-talk mailing list tor-talk@lists.torproject.org https://lists.torproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/tor-talk
Re: [tor-talk] how to save html5 cookies on TBB
I noticed that there is a “cookie protection” feature in TorButton, I tried that to save youtube html5 join cookies, but that doesn't work what is this feature used for? besides, I noticed that there are some discussions on permanently support youtube html5 cookies from the following two links https://trac.torproject.org/projects/tor/ticket/3347 https://trac.torproject.org/projects/tor/ticket/2832 however, it seems there are no results for this? 2012/10/7 esolve esolve esolvepol...@gmail.com TBB will delete all cookies when it is closed however, in youtube, html5 can be enabled by join the html5 trial through this page: http://www.youtube.com/html5, which will save a cookie on TBB can this cookie be kept on TBB? like configuration file? thanks ___ tor-talk mailing list tor-talk@lists.torproject.org https://lists.torproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/tor-talk
Re: [tor-talk] answers of Ms Kroes on EP questions
On Mon, Oct 08, 2012 at 11:37:54AM +0200, r...@zenger.nl wrote 4.3K bytes in 109 lines about: : The Commission is committed to maintaining the open and neutral character of the Internet. At the same time the Commission strictly respects the legislation on the protection of personal data. The Commission's public consultation on ‘specific aspects of transparency, traffic management and switching in an Open Internet’ is open to everyone. The Commission understands and respects that citizens may prefer to stay anonymous when accessing websites hosted on Europa. : : Nevertheless, the Commission has the duty to take all the necessary measures to ensure a high rate of availability of its websites for all citizens. The Commission therefore needs to ensure the reliability and security of its networks and websites (and those it manages for other institutions) against (cyber-)attacks. In this context the Commission takes all the measures deemed necessary to mitigate risks and counteract attacks that occur, taking account of the technical specificities of the latter. : : Personal data of respondents to the Commission's public consultation is strictly protected in line with EU data protection legislation. For transparency purposes the responses to the public consultation questionnaire will be published. However, all respondents have the possibility to indicate after each question, whether their response contains confidential information. If the respondent mentions that the answer is confidential, it will not be published. : Thanks for sharing the response. Can they share the data about 'cyber-attacks' and why Tor is chosen as a technology to be blocked? I'm interested in learning the details of quantity and quality of attacks via Tor against the Europa infrastructure. My guess is they don't have any data and just bought some software or hired a 3rd party to 'protect' their sites. This protection includes a category called 'proxies' which is selected by default. Within this 'proxies' category are some long-running Tor exit relays. There was a period of time, short as it was, where they didn't block Tor exit relays. Can they share the details of attacks seen, if any, during this period? How do they handle botnets and the infected computers of European citizens trying access their site? Ironically, they're all about an open Internet so long as this doesn't inconvenience them. 'Cyber-attacks' are the official reason China, Iran, Burma, and others censor their Internet in order to protect their citizenry. -- Andrew http://tpo.is/contact pgp 0x6B4D6475 ___ tor-talk mailing list tor-talk@lists.torproject.org https://lists.torproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/tor-talk
Re: [tor-talk] Tor coverage by Japanese media
On Mon, Oct 08, 2012 at 03:29:23AM -0700, hide...@gmail.com wrote 0.6K bytes in 14 lines about: : Tor was just covered in Japanese media. (NHK) : I haven't seen it yet (it won't be coming to Japanese channel in the : States until 20th...) but it'd be interesting to see how this will : affect Tor metrics. : http://www.nhk.or.jp/zero/contents/dsp402.html : : Incidentally, I was actually interviewed by NHK about what Tor is : useful for, however, had to be cut because of time constraints :-( Thanks for sharing the link. I was also interviewed by a few Japanese reporters a few weeks ago. In talking to one of them, it seems the National Police busted a child abuse ring in which one of the members was using Tor as a client. There were lots of questions about anonymity and Tor only being used for bad. I made the obvious statement that clearly Tor wasn't an impediment to the police in busting the ring. They didn't feel the same way about TCP/IP or .com domains being used in the proliferation of the child abuse materials. The story was a reaction to 'omg tor' and hand-waving moral panic. Another interview was about Japan's new draconian copyright enforcement laws. I suggested that laws such as these will only educate the citizenry on how to encrypt and protect their traffic. This will hamper the future efforts of law enforcement and not do anything to stop the copying of bits. The reporter kept confusing copying with theft so I pointed them at http://vimeo.com/50481436 and http://copyheart.org/ to suggest there might be other opinions on the matter. -- Andrew http://tpo.is/contact pgp 0x6B4D6475 ___ tor-talk mailing list tor-talk@lists.torproject.org https://lists.torproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/tor-talk
Re: [tor-talk] answers of Ms Kroes on EP questions
On 8 okt. 2012, at 13:13, and...@torproject.is wrote: Can they share the data about 'cyber-attacks' and why Tor is chosen as a technology to be blocked? I'm interested in learning the details of quantity and quality of attacks via Tor against the Europa infrastructure. I don't know if they can. The only way to find out about that is to start a Freedom of Information Act request for documents on this. That will take some effort, some time and there is no guarantee it'll work out. My guess is they don't have any data and just bought some software or hired a 3rd party to 'protect' their sites. This protection includes a category I expect exactly the same. -- Rejo Zenger . r...@zenger.nl . 0x21DBEFD4 . https://rejo.zenger.nl GPG encrypted e-mail preferred . +31.6.39642738 . @rejozenger signature.asc Description: Message signed with OpenPGP using GPGMail ___ tor-talk mailing list tor-talk@lists.torproject.org https://lists.torproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/tor-talk
Re: [tor-talk] answers of Ms Kroes on EP questions
Rejo Zenger r...@zenger.nl wrote: On 8 okt. 2012, at 13:13, and...@torproject.is wrote: Can they share the data about 'cyber-attacks' and why Tor is chosen as a technology to be blocked? I'm interested in learning the details of quantity and quality of attacks via Tor against the Europa infrastructure. I don't know if they can. The only way to find out about that is to start a Freedom of Information Act request for documents on this. That will take some effort, some time and there is no guarantee it'll work out. I can look into this if nobody else is already working on it. BTW, some people think blocking Tor without proper cause violates EU law and apparently a complaint has been filed a couple of months ago: http://www.daten-speicherung.de/index.php/eu-commission-gives-up-blocking-tor-and-vpn-services/ Fabian signature.asc Description: PGP signature ___ tor-talk mailing list tor-talk@lists.torproject.org https://lists.torproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/tor-talk
[tor-talk] Activate
Sent from my iPhone On Oct 8, 2012, at 8:00 AM, tor-talk-requ...@lists.torproject.org wrote: Send tor-talk mailing list submissions to tor-talk@lists.torproject.org To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit https://lists.torproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/tor-talk or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to tor-talk-requ...@lists.torproject.org You can reach the person managing the list at tor-talk-ow...@lists.torproject.org When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than Re: Contents of tor-talk digest... Today's Topics: 1. Tor coverage by Japanese media (Hideki Saito) 2. Re: how to save html5 cookies on TBB (esolve esolve) 3. Re: answers of Ms Kroes on EP questions (and...@torproject.is) 4. Re: Tor coverage by Japanese media (and...@torproject.is) -- Message: 1 Date: Mon, 8 Oct 2012 03:29:23 -0700 From: Hideki Saito hide...@gmail.com To: tor-talk@lists.torproject.org Subject: [tor-talk] Tor coverage by Japanese media Message-ID: CAAaRP5s47STLWhr1z+742UnLY_QS=dfcfs-b0qgqs+k5fjs...@mail.gmail.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Tor was just covered in Japanese media. (NHK) I haven't seen it yet (it won't be coming to Japanese channel in the States until 20th...) but it'd be interesting to see how this will affect Tor metrics. http://www.nhk.or.jp/zero/contents/dsp402.html Incidentally, I was actually interviewed by NHK about what Tor is useful for, however, had to be cut because of time constraints :-( Hideki Saito hide...@gmail.com -- Message: 2 Date: Mon, 8 Oct 2012 13:00:16 +0200 From: esolve esolve esolvepol...@gmail.com To: tor-talk@lists.torproject.org Subject: Re: [tor-talk] how to save html5 cookies on TBB Message-ID: CAEYCsr6juQ8=idey7lg2sdgzkrylg4eazprt3efkf1qcnar...@mail.gmail.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 I noticed that there is a ?cookie protection? feature in TorButton, I tried that to save youtube html5 join cookies, but that doesn't work what is this feature used for? besides, I noticed that there are some discussions on permanently support youtube html5 cookies from the following two links https://trac.torproject.org/projects/tor/ticket/3347 https://trac.torproject.org/projects/tor/ticket/2832 however, it seems there are no results for this? 2012/10/7 esolve esolve esolvepol...@gmail.com TBB will delete all cookies when it is closed however, in youtube, html5 can be enabled by join the html5 trial through this page: http://www.youtube.com/html5, which will save a cookie on TBB can this cookie be kept on TBB? like configuration file? thanks -- Message: 3 Date: Mon, 8 Oct 2012 11:13:30 + From: and...@torproject.is To: tor-talk@lists.torproject.org Subject: Re: [tor-talk] answers of Ms Kroes on EP questions Message-ID: 20121008111329.ga17...@necrid.lewman.is Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 On Mon, Oct 08, 2012 at 11:37:54AM +0200, r...@zenger.nl wrote 4.3K bytes in 109 lines about: : The Commission is committed to maintaining the open and neutral character of the Internet. At the same time the Commission strictly respects the legislation on the protection of personal data. The Commission's public consultation on ?specific aspects of transparency, traffic management and switching in an Open Internet? is open to everyone. The Commission understands and respects that citizens may prefer to stay anonymous when accessing websites hosted on Europa. : : Nevertheless, the Commission has the duty to take all the necessary measures to ensure a high rate of availability of its websites for all citizens. The Commission therefore needs to ensure the reliability and security of its networks and websites (and those it manages for other institutions) against (cyber-)attacks. In this context the Commission takes all the measures deemed necessary to mitigate risks and counteract attacks that occur, taking account of the technical specificities of the latter. : : Personal data of respondents to the Commission's public consultation is strictly protected in line with EU data protection legislation. For transparency purposes the responses to the public consultation questionnaire will be published. However, all respondents have the possibility to indicate after each question, whether their response contains confidential information. If the respondent mentions that the answer is confidential, it will not be published. : Thanks for sharing the response. Can they share the data about 'cyber-attacks' and why Tor is chosen as a technology to be blocked? I'm interested in learning the details of quantity and quality of attacks via Tor against the Europa infrastructure. My guess is they don't
Re: [tor-talk] answers of Ms Kroes on EP questions
On Mon, Oct 08, 2012 at 02:59:34PM +0200, freebsd-lis...@fabiankeil.de wrote 1.8K bytes in 55 lines about: : BTW, some people think blocking Tor without proper cause violates EU law : and apparently a complaint has been filed a couple of months ago: : http://www.daten-speicherung.de/index.php/eu-commission-gives-up-blocking-tor-and-vpn-services/ Indeed. They stopped blocking Tor at least for a few weeks. However, try to hit http://ec.europa.eu/ from Tor now. I see: Network Error (gateway_error) Server overloaded The gateway may be temporarily unavailable, or there could be a network problem. For assistance, contact your network support team. This is the same error as before. My exit relay for that request is in the EU: chaoscomputerclub20 (Online) Location: Germany IP Address: 31.172.30.3 Platform: Tor 0.2.4.2-alpha on Linux Bandwidth: 41.32 MB/s Uptime: 23 days 16 hours 24 mins 2 secs Last Updated: 2012-10-08 10:10:06 GMT -- Andrew http://tpo.is/contact pgp 0x6B4D6475 ___ tor-talk mailing list tor-talk@lists.torproject.org https://lists.torproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/tor-talk
[tor-talk] TorBirdy gpg.conf
Hi, While you are deeply into the gpg/Tor/socks/DNS topic... Could you recommend a gpg.conf for use with Tor please? Cheers, adrelanos ___ tor-talk mailing list tor-talk@lists.torproject.org https://lists.torproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/tor-talk
[tor-talk] Covert Browser By Stephan Hoffmann
Has anyone checked this software out? http://itunes.apple.com/us/app/covert-browser/id477438328?mt=8 When I searched for ipad tor they came up first :/ -- “Be the change you want to see in the world.” Gandhi OTR: i...@jabber.ccc.de d32b31b0e24b605f02218a3195e7576226aea546 ___ tor-talk mailing list tor-talk@lists.torproject.org https://lists.torproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/tor-talk
Re: [tor-talk] Covert Browser By Stephan Hoffmann
On Mon, 08 Oct 2012 18:00:07 + SiNA Rabbani s...@redteam.io wrote: Has anyone checked this software out? http://itunes.apple.com/us/app/covert-browser/id477438328?mt=8 When I searched for ipad tor they came up first :/ Ahem. https://lists.torproject.org/pipermail/tor-talk/2012-September/025560.html Please stop cross-posting. Thanks! -- Andrew http://tpo.is/contact pgp 0x6B4D6475 ___ tor-talk mailing list tor-talk@lists.torproject.org https://lists.torproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/tor-talk
Re: [tor-talk] Tor coverage by Japanese media
At 03:29 AM 10/8/2012 -0700, you wrote: Tor was just covered in Japanese media. (NHK) I haven't seen it yet (it won't be coming to Japanese channel in the States until 20th...) but it'd be interesting to see how this will affect Tor metrics. http://www.nhk.or.jp/zero/contents/dsp402.html Incidentally, I was actually interviewed by NHK about what Tor is useful for, however, had to be cut because of time constraints :-( Hideki Saito hide...@gmail.com Sorry about the off-topic question... How popular is file sharing in Japan? Is Perfect Dark widely used? ___ tor-talk mailing list tor-talk@lists.torproject.org https://lists.torproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/tor-talk ___ tor-talk mailing list tor-talk@lists.torproject.org https://lists.torproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/tor-talk
Re: [tor-talk] Covert Browser By Stephan Hoffmann
My bad! Andrew Lewman: On Mon, 08 Oct 2012 18:00:07 + SiNA Rabbani s...@redteam.io wrote: Has anyone checked this software out? http://itunes.apple.com/us/app/covert-browser/id477438328?mt=8 When I searched for ipad tor they came up first :/ Ahem. https://lists.torproject.org/pipermail/tor-talk/2012-September/025560.html Please stop cross-posting. Thanks! -- “Be the change you want to see in the world.” Gandhi OTR: i...@jabber.ccc.de d32b31b0e24b605f02218a3195e7576226aea546 ___ tor-talk mailing list tor-talk@lists.torproject.org https://lists.torproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/tor-talk
Re: [tor-talk] answers of Ms Kroes on EP questions
On Mon, Oct 8, 2012 at 8:30 AM, and...@torproject.is wrote: On Mon, Oct 08, 2012 at 02:59:34PM +0200, freebsd-listen@fabiankeil.dewrote 1.8K bytes in 55 lines about: : BTW, some people think blocking Tor without proper cause violates EU law : and apparently a complaint has been filed a couple of months ago: : http://www.daten-speicherung.de/index.php/eu-commission-gives-up-blocking-tor-and-vpn-services/ Indeed. They stopped blocking Tor at least for a few weeks. However, try to hit http://ec.europa.eu/ from Tor now. I see: Network Error (gateway_error) Server overloaded The gateway may be temporarily unavailable, or there could be a network problem. For assistance, contact your network support team. This is the same error as before. My exit relay for that request is in the EU: chaoscomputerclub20 (Online) Location: Germany IP Address: 31.172.30.3 Platform: Tor 0.2.4.2-alpha on Linux Bandwidth: 41.32 MB/s Uptime: 23 days 16 hours 24 mins 2 secs Last Updated: 2012-10-08 10:10:06 GMT https://lists.torproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/tor-talk I tried thru Tor and also was unable to connect. I got a 404 error message. However I was able to connect with out Tor. Interesting? Jon ___ tor-talk mailing list tor-talk@lists.torproject.org https://lists.torproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/tor-talk
Re: [tor-talk] TorBirdy gpg.conf
Torbirdy, uses its own command-line and when gpg binary is called with all anonymization related gnupg options then it overrides those specific options, if something else was specified for same options in gpg.conf. so for Torbirdy, no special config is necessary in gpg.conf. but, in windows, for Microsoft Outlook, or other email-clients, which cannot specify their own torified gpg calls like torbirdy, for those, gpg.conf is needed to be configured+torified, plus for other apps, if you want to use short commands, and pre-specified longer options inside the gpg.conf. any app, which cannot specify or do not specify their own gnupg options, those will by default use whatever settings exist inside gpg.conf. -- Bry8Star. adrelanos wrote: Hi, While you are deeply into the gpg/Tor/socks/DNS topic... Could you recommend a gpg.conf for use with Tor please? Cheers, adrelanos ___ tor-talk mailing list tor-talk@lists.torproject.org https://lists.torproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/tor-talk ___ tor-talk mailing list tor-talk@lists.torproject.org https://lists.torproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/tor-talk
Re: [tor-talk] TBB equivalent for Thunderbird?
i'm not 100% sure, if Portable Thunderbird would work under Wine or not, but worth a shot. Many windows Portable apps, does run using Wine. And what about loading a small custom Windows XP inside a VirtualBox based VM on Linux, then run Windows apps ? -- Bry8Star. Jacob Appelbaum wrote: antispa...@sent.at: I see TorBirdy is readily available. But that might mean a system wide instance of Thunderbird. For Windows the solution is just a clean version of Thunderbird provided by PortableApps.com and TorBirdy, maybe downloaded via Tor/TBB. What about Linux? I could not find the equivalent PortableApps.Linux. We'd love to provide this and in fact, we'd be able to provide a safer Thunderbird for Tor usage as our patches would be included. The downside is that Tor usage is not the only thing that matters - updates of all kinds will need to be tracked and kept in line with upstream. It is a lot of effort to make TBB and to make a Thunderbird version, keeping it updated and so on - it would require a lot of thinking on our part. I think without Thandy, I fear that it would be a nightmare. Perhaps there is some way to adapt Mozilla's secure updating system to give users an upgrade path? I'm not sure. I welcome any thoughts on the subject... Ultimately, we like the idea - so hopefully we can find a way to do it without drowning ourselves in work on a fork of Thunderbird that isn't required. Ideally, we'd like upstream to merge everything - heck, even TorBirdy, and make it a simple option... :) All the best, Jacob ___ tor-talk mailing list tor-talk@lists.torproject.org https://lists.torproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/tor-talk ___ tor-talk mailing list tor-talk@lists.torproject.org https://lists.torproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/tor-talk
[tor-talk] Anon/Secure sharing platforms, nets [x: Japan]
As far as I know, Winny was (and probably is) still leading file sharing client in Japan, followed by Share. I think an issue of Perfect Dark was that it is relatively hard to configure compared to Winny/Share, and given there are already some prosecution cases with Perfect Dark, perhaps that really didn't make it better choice than Winny/Share to users. If I recall, there is an entire family of these so named clients popular in fareast/asia. Some of them are forks. I didn't get the feeling they met the strong security/anonymity principles that people on this list would find meritous. Are there any that do? What are common apps in other regions such as EU, former USSR, India, South America, Africa? Is there any use of I2P in these regions for similar purposes? How likely would they be to adopt I2P? Or even to adopt a general purpose anonymous transport like Phantom over which they could run similar apps? Note that after the introduction of the revised copyright law in Japan that makes it a crime to download infringing materials, beginning October 1st, it looks like some metrics are showing significant reduction in active nodes. Although the media and common usage never does, I presume there is distinction being made here between download and upload. ___ tor-talk mailing list tor-talk@lists.torproject.org https://lists.torproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/tor-talk
Re: [tor-talk] TorBirdy gpg.conf
Hi, adrelanos: Hi, While you are deeply into the gpg/Tor/socks/DNS topic... Could you recommend a gpg.conf for use with Tor please? In TorBirdy 0.0.13, Enigmail traffic is fail-closed but Enigmail is still supported. However, even if you were to use a gpg.conf file, all configuration options will be overwritten with TorBirdy specific settings. So specifying custom/ proxy settings in gpg.conf will not work with TorBirdy/ Enigmail. For future versions of TorBirdy, we will either ship it with shim (most likely) or allow users who want to configure gpg with libcurl to specify the requisite proxy settings. -- Sukhbir ___ tor-talk mailing list tor-talk@lists.torproject.org https://lists.torproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/tor-talk
