Re: [tor-talk] Cowardice and Hypocrisy

[Joe Btfsplk]

On 4/14/2013 8:54 PM, Andrew F wrote:

G
riffin... its comments like that which make me wish we had a like button on
e-mail.

Well said!


KMN.  List moderators (is there such a thing?) - when this infantile 
rubbish is over, could you send me an email?
Until then, I'm stopping everything.  I signed up to get real info about 
Tor, not tons of garbage from Sheldon Cooper-esque imitators, taking up 
everyone's time.

___
tor-talk mailing list
tor-talk@lists.torproject.org
https://lists.torproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/tor-talk

Re: [tor-talk] Cowardice and Hypocrisy

[Griffin Boyce]

Andrew F  wrote:

> Griffin... its comments like that which make me wish we had a like button
> on
> e-mail.
>
> Well said!
>

Thanks! I like to start weird and then just keep going.

~Griffin
___
tor-talk mailing list
tor-talk@lists.torproject.org
https://lists.torproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/tor-talk

Re: [tor-talk] Cowardice and Hypocrisy

[Andrew F]

G
riffin... its comments like that which make me wish we had a like button on
e-mail.

Well said!


On Mon, Apr 15, 2013 at 1:23 AM, Griffin Boyce wrote:

> SiNA Rabbani  wrote:
>
> > If you mattered at all, you would have been owned by now
> >
>
> Snaaap.
>
> You may fork our code, but you'll never fork our ~freedom!~
>
> or my cuddliness,
> Griffin Boyce
>
> --
> Please note that I do not have PGP access at this time.
> OTR: sa...@jabber.ccc.de / fonta...@jabber.ccc.de
> ___
> tor-talk mailing list
> tor-talk@lists.torproject.org
> https://lists.torproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/tor-talk
>
___
tor-talk mailing list
tor-talk@lists.torproject.org
https://lists.torproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/tor-talk

[tor-talk] Flame Wars and the [drama] tag

[Griffin Boyce]

  On various mailing lists, I've noticed that people tag subjects with
[drama] if the post is likely to lead to heated debate.  The idea is that
people can ignore the thread, or filter [drama]-laden posts out of their
inbox entirely.

  While it might not be necessary for tor-talk, it's a pretty neat idea,
and perhaps worth considering =)

best,
Griffin
-- 
Please note that I do not have PGP access at this time.
OTR: sa...@jabber.ccc.de / fonta...@jabber.ccc.de
___
tor-talk mailing list
tor-talk@lists.torproject.org
https://lists.torproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/tor-talk

Re: [tor-talk] Cowardice and Hypocrisy

[Griffin Boyce]

SiNA Rabbani  wrote:

> If you mattered at all, you would have been owned by now
>

Snaaap.

You may fork our code, but you'll never fork our ~freedom!~

or my cuddliness,
Griffin Boyce

-- 
Please note that I do not have PGP access at this time.
OTR: sa...@jabber.ccc.de / fonta...@jabber.ccc.de
___
tor-talk mailing list
tor-talk@lists.torproject.org
https://lists.torproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/tor-talk

Re: [tor-talk] Cowardice and Hypocrisy

[SiNA Rabbani]

Hey Alex,

You are correct, your IP is in the header and you got all kinds of open
ports on your VM. If you mattered at all, you would have been owned by
now. Learn how to use iptables, it will do you some good.

I really tried to ignore you but you managed to get my attention :/

--SiNA

Alex M (Coyo):
> Also note how I am not a coward. My IP address is right there in the
> headers.


-- 
“Be the change you want to see in the world.” Gandhi
___
tor-talk mailing list
tor-talk@lists.torproject.org
https://lists.torproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/tor-talk

Re: [tor-talk] Cowardice and Hypocrisy

[Gregory Disney]

Leave shit talking to somewhere else not this mailing list, help the
project progress or stop filling peoples emails with your rants.


On Sun, Apr 14, 2013 at 7:12 PM, Alex M (Coyo)  wrote:

> Since I cannot reply to anonymous remailers, I will simply post my replies
> here.
>
> Also note how I am not a coward. My IP address is right there in the
> headers.
>
> Unlike you cowards, I really don't care if you block me.
>
> I'm forking your code and making all of you irrelevant anyway.
>
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?**v=O4Ccfpwc6bg
>
> Have fun with your lives.
>
> Bye.
>
> On 04/13/2013 05:52 PM, Anonymous wrote:
>
>> I love you.
>>
>> You're doing exceptional work. Keep at it.
>>
>> But you made a complete fool of yourself on tor-talk.
>> Seriously.
>>
>
> Meh, I think I may be getting burned out.
>
> I no longer care how I appear to a bunch of deadbeat good-for-nothings.
>
> Tor is a huge honeypot, which means anyone who thinks they are hot shit
> for working on Tor is deluded.
>
> So I may appear a fool, but I am far from alone in my foolishness.
>
> On 04/13/2013 08:39 PM, Anonymous wrote:
>
>> How'd you like a nice big cup of shut the fuck up?
>>
>> Think before you say stupid shit.
>>
>
> Heh. Look at big man on campus.
>
> Why don't you come to my house and say it, asshole?
> __**_
> tor-talk mailing list
> tor-talk@lists.torproject.org
> https://lists.torproject.org/**cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/tor-**talk
>
___
tor-talk mailing list
tor-talk@lists.torproject.org
https://lists.torproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/tor-talk

[tor-talk] Cowardice and Hypocrisy

[Alex M (Coyo)]

Since I cannot reply to anonymous remailers, I will simply post my 
replies here.


Also note how I am not a coward. My IP address is right there in the 
headers.


Unlike you cowards, I really don't care if you block me.

I'm forking your code and making all of you irrelevant anyway.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O4Ccfpwc6bg

Have fun with your lives.

Bye.

On 04/13/2013 05:52 PM, Anonymous wrote:

I love you.

You're doing exceptional work. Keep at it.

But you made a complete fool of yourself on tor-talk.
Seriously.


Meh, I think I may be getting burned out.

I no longer care how I appear to a bunch of deadbeat good-for-nothings.

Tor is a huge honeypot, which means anyone who thinks they are hot shit 
for working on Tor is deluded.


So I may appear a fool, but I am far from alone in my foolishness.

On 04/13/2013 08:39 PM, Anonymous wrote:

How'd you like a nice big cup of shut the fuck up?

Think before you say stupid shit.


Heh. Look at big man on campus.

Why don't you come to my house and say it, asshole?
___
tor-talk mailing list
tor-talk@lists.torproject.org
https://lists.torproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/tor-talk

Re: [tor-talk] Deterministic Builds - was: Bridge Communities?

[Alex M (Coyo)]

On 04/13/2013 10:44 PM, adrelanos wrote:

Hi Gregory!

Gregory Disney:

Let's not dread on things out of our control; IMO we should use these
concerns to develop solutions then turn them into soultions that we can
implement. Obviously we can't develop around assassinations nor state
funded terrorism, but we can develop a solution for  backdoors
and information leaks.

Agreed!

Let's talk about deterministic builds:
https://trac.torproject.org/projects/tor/ticket/3688

It looks like the Bitcoin software already supports deterministic Builds
with gitian:
https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/tree/master/contrib

I assume you're the Gregory Disney who is also one builder of those
Bitcoin deterministic builds? Since you're involved in Tor as well, I
seems to me you could be a great help by providing some information
about the Bitcoin build process.

Where are the instructions how I (or someone else) not involved in
Bitcoin development can produce bit identical builds of Bitcoin to match
the hash sums which are also distribiuted on sourceforge? If there are
none, could you provide them please?

Can their system be applied for Tor as well or are there any differences?


This sounds interesting.

___
tor-talk mailing list
tor-talk@lists.torproject.org
https://lists.torproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/tor-talk

Re: [tor-talk] Bridge Communities?

[Alex M (Coyo)]

On 04/13/2013 09:15 PM, adrelanos wrote:

Sebastian G. :

(Fun part?)

Not a fun part for me. It's sad that these concern have been raised by
a troll (or someone who doesn't know how to behave). However, these
concerns are valid, and from my perspective, I can't understand why
they are easily dismissed.


I don't see the problem. I HAVE been dismissed.

I'm surprised I haven't been IP-banned already, not that it would do any 
good.


IP bans are trivial to circumvent, and that's without using Tor.


About assassinating (double ass) the (core?) Tor people

I have read that you can hire assassins on hidden-services.
Wouldn't it be ironic if one hires an assassin (or many of them)
via hidden-services to take the lives or Tor people?

They tend to pile up on something they call developers meeting
(aka DevMeeting). It's kind of public when and where such a
meetings will take place and who will attend to them.

The US owns drones (and they love to use them), European states buy
also drones so if someone gets accused for treason, which is
probably Mr. Jacob Appelbaum because of his relation to wikileaks,
while Tor is also a threat such a meeting would be a juicy target.
With someone killed for treason or terrorism (or supporting it) the
other dead bodies are just collateral damage.

That doesn't scare me.

It scares me.


I'd never want that to happen.

Me neither.


If it doesn't look like an accident (in this case or any other)
people will notice about them missing or being killed. I hope that
people will fight murders.

Tor might be dead, but people will be upset about the death of
innocent people.

Yes, people will be upset, too few to see things change. People
tortured in Guantanamo, Bradley Manning, list goes on... go through
things which are worse than death.


Which was my point. I don't want to see you guys hurt, even if you treat 
me like shit.





What's more concerning is that they could back-door Tor, all it
takes is to turn one developer around, let anyone know about the
back-door and people will loose trust.

Yes.


That could kill Tor as well.

Or people who could help will finally help pushing the deterministic
build feature. Often a fail finally helps to make a change.


I hope so.

___
tor-talk mailing list
tor-talk@lists.torproject.org
https://lists.torproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/tor-talk

Re: [tor-talk] Bridge Communities?

[Alex M (Coyo)]

On 04/13/2013 01:59 PM, Sebastian G.  wrote:

About assassinating (double ass) the (core?) Tor people

I have read that you can hire assassins on hidden-services. Wouldn't it
be ironic if one hires an assassin (or many of them) via hidden-services
to take the lives or Tor people?


That WOULD be ironic.

It still wouldn't surprise me, however.
___
tor-talk mailing list
tor-talk@lists.torproject.org
https://lists.torproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/tor-talk

Re: [tor-talk] Bridge Communities?

[Alex M (Coyo)]

On 04/13/2013 12:59 PM, Eugen Leitl wrote:

On Sat, Apr 13, 2013 at 01:14:16PM -0400, grarpamp wrote:


Sure, i2P exists, but who wants to spin up a huge honking java virtual
machine just to participate in that relay pool?

It's actually pretty easy and can run on modest hardware as a node.

I disagree about modest hardware. Anything Java (Freenet, ip2, etc.)
reliably craps out after a few weeks of operation on lean but usable
hardware (~2 GBytes RAM effectively, dual-core Atom). It's okay
for fat desktops which run for maybe a few weeks.

Anything Java in general makes me a sad panda.


That's not just one sad panda, right there.

That's a whole bamboo forest of suicidal depression.
___
tor-talk mailing list
tor-talk@lists.torproject.org
https://lists.torproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/tor-talk

Re: [tor-talk] Bridge Communities?

[Alex M (Coyo)]

On 04/13/2013 12:32 PM, adrelanos wrote:

Alex M (Coyo):

On 04/13/2013 10:29 AM, adrelanos wrote:

Alex M (Coyo):

On 04/13/2013 12:13 AM, Mike Perry wrote:

Otherwise, thanks for your concern/veiled threats/trolling.

Because obviously criticism and actual concern for the well-being of a
foss project is always trolling and threats.

I hope you aren't a contributor.

See https://www.torproject.org/about/corepeople.html.en

I just got done rea-- OMFG, that dick is in there.

With that kind of attitude, you disqualify for any kind of discussion.


lol TorButton and performance metrics.

No wonder I missed his name.

Needless to say, Mike is responsible for important parts.


Heh.
___
tor-talk mailing list
tor-talk@lists.torproject.org
https://lists.torproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/tor-talk

Re: [tor-talk] Bridge Communities?

[Alex M (Coyo)]

On 04/13/2013 12:14 PM, grarpamp wrote:

I mean, most overlays out there are NOT for anonymity

Not for strong anonymity at least. Many are closes source windows blobs
and generally weighted towards filesharing and vague vpn privacy claims.
Those are definitely the ones to avoid. If you can't see and change the code
it's not worth one bit of your time beyond cataloging it's 'features'
for possible
reimplementation.


To be honest, I do that all of the time. I have reverse engineered skype 
to a certain extent and run massive clusters of virtual machines and 
virtual networks to reverse engineer the behavior of the skype network, 
and have very VERY heavily studied the skype api, all versions of it.


i did this with the sole purpose of taking the good ideas, concepts and 
features from it for purposes of planning on a new network, 
reimplementing the features i like, and cherry picking from HUNDREDS of 
other protocols and network models for my own overlay project.


In case you were wondering, the project is named Fennec, and I have not 
yet published a git repository for it, yet. I'm not ready.





Sure, i2P exists, but who wants to spin up a huge honking java virtual
machine just to participate in that relay pool?

It's actually pretty easy and can run on modest hardware as a node.


Maybe so, but I personally prefer keeping java off my machines in any form.




Not only that, but i2P (last I checked) does not support IPv6 Eepsites,
while Tor is (slowly) getting to that point.

Neither do, and neither are. You can shim both with onioncat to
some caveated win.


I must have been misinformed. I know you can do it (in theory) with 
netcat or some other tunneling mechanism, such as tinc or quicktun vpns, 
but that's not a real solution.


I had not heard of onioncat.




IPv6 eepsites/hidden services is an important feature to me.

Absolutely.


GNUnet or even more obscure overlays do not have stable featuresets
regarding generic unmodified TCP or UDP services, be it over IPv4 or IPv6.

Phantom does this completely already, but is even more obscure.


I have heard of phantom, but I thought it was no longer actively 
developed, and had not been actively developed for years. Has it be 
quietly forked and developed somewhere I don't know about?





Sure GNUnet has IPv6 private VPNs on the eventual roadmap, and sure you
could extend that to virtual interfaces, and sure you could enable linux or
whatever to act as a router between those interfaces, you could even enable
Quagga or whatever to swap an (alternative) BGP peering table, but GNUnet
has a lot of other priorities, and isn't likely to get around to that

On the IPv6 interop front, the only thing these projects need to code
is unique address in specific /48 bound to an IPv6 interface and mapped
to internal 80bit address [sub]space for transport. User will setup all those
interconnects. There are projects in the works...


That would be cool. Too bad I can't code C.

Though, some coder and engie friends of mine are talking about 
kidnapping me from home and tying me up and forcing me to learn C or 
suffer the consequences.


These consequences are not safe for work, so I will spare your sanity.

This time. :)
___
tor-talk mailing list
tor-talk@lists.torproject.org
https://lists.torproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/tor-talk

Re: [tor-talk] Bridge Communities?

[Alex M (Coyo)]

On 04/13/2013 12:17 PM, Griffin Boyce wrote:

adrelanos  wrote:


Alex M (Coyo):

I have still not gotten a straight answer about whether or not the
bridge community featureset has been released in the stable tor client.

It's all in there.

https://www.torproject.org/docs/tor-manual.html.en

AlternateBridgeAuthority [nickname] [flags] address:port fingerprint


Turns out I was wrong!  Caveat lector :D


If that feature already exists, then it shouldn't be that difficult to 
add a feature for additional or alternative directory authorities, since 
most of the code is written for me.


Cool beans.
___
tor-talk mailing list
tor-talk@lists.torproject.org
https://lists.torproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/tor-talk

Re: [tor-talk] Proxy servers?

[tor]

Many thanks, Moritz.
You are spot-on.
I deleted all my existing Tor stuff, downloaded a new Bundle and - hey,
presto - Tor Browser is connecting again!
Most grateful.
JT

On Mon, Apr 15, 2013, at 04:38 AM, Moritz Bartl wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> Tor Browser Bundle should work without any configuration. This error
> usually appears when you update from an old bundle by overwriting:
> Extract new bundles to a new directory.
> 
> Moritz
> 
> On 14.04.2013 11:31, t...@jtmail.ownmail.net wrote:
> > 
> > Could you direct me please to discussion on Proxy Servers?
> > 
> > I keep getting this message:
> > 
> > The proxy server is refusing connections
> > 
> >   Firefox is configured to use a proxy server that is refusing
> > connections.
> >   Check the proxy settings to make sure that they are correct.
> >   Contact your network administrator to make sure the proxy server is
> > working.
> > 
> > Surely it's already been covered in Forums for raw beginners like me?
> > 
> > JT
> > ___
> > tor-talk mailing list
> > tor-talk@lists.torproject.org
> > https://lists.torproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/tor-talk
> > 
> 
> -- 
> Moritz Bartl
> https://www.torservers.net/
> ___
> tor-talk mailing list
> tor-talk@lists.torproject.org
> https://lists.torproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/tor-talk
___
tor-talk mailing list
tor-talk@lists.torproject.org
https://lists.torproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/tor-talk

Re: [tor-talk] Proxy servers?

[Moritz Bartl]

Hi,

Tor Browser Bundle should work without any configuration. This error
usually appears when you update from an old bundle by overwriting:
Extract new bundles to a new directory.

Moritz

On 14.04.2013 11:31, t...@jtmail.ownmail.net wrote:
> 
> Could you direct me please to discussion on Proxy Servers?
> 
> I keep getting this message:
> 
> The proxy server is refusing connections
> 
>   Firefox is configured to use a proxy server that is refusing
> connections.
>   Check the proxy settings to make sure that they are correct.
>   Contact your network administrator to make sure the proxy server is
> working.
> 
> Surely it's already been covered in Forums for raw beginners like me?
> 
> JT
> ___
> tor-talk mailing list
> tor-talk@lists.torproject.org
> https://lists.torproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/tor-talk
> 

-- 
Moritz Bartl
https://www.torservers.net/
___
tor-talk mailing list
tor-talk@lists.torproject.org
https://lists.torproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/tor-talk

Re: [tor-talk] Deterministic Builds - was: Bridge Communities?

[adrelanos]

Gregory Maxwell:
> On Sat, Apr 13, 2013 at 8:44 PM, adrelanos  wrote:
>> I assume you're the Gregory Disney who is also one builder of those
>> Bitcoin deterministic builds? Since you're involved in Tor as well, I
>> seems to me you could be a great help by providing some information
>> about the Bitcoin build process.
> 
> There is no Gregory Disney involved with Bitcoin as far as I know.

I meant Gregory Maxwell. Sorry, I messed that up.
___
tor-talk mailing list
tor-talk@lists.torproject.org
https://lists.torproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/tor-talk

Re: [tor-talk] Deterministic Builds - was: Bridge Communities?

[Gregory Disney]

So the PKI method that bitcoin uses is a sha256 encoding + sha1 decoding.
The OR provides a PKI key (sha256) with hidden services, so the solution
may be switches that run openCL or CUDA to authenticate the key to the node
(parallel computing is still the fastest way to compute) . If the node key
does not match the node could be isolated from the network.


On Sun, Apr 14, 2013 at 12:46 AM, Gregory Maxwell wrote:

> On Sat, Apr 13, 2013 at 8:44 PM, adrelanos  wrote:
> > I assume you're the Gregory Disney who is also one builder of those
> > Bitcoin deterministic builds? Since you're involved in Tor as well, I
> > seems to me you could be a great help by providing some information
> > about the Bitcoin build process.
>
> There is no Gregory Disney involved with Bitcoin as far as I know.
>
> > Where are the instructions how I (or someone else) not involved in
> > Bitcoin development can produce bit identical builds of Bitcoin to match
> > the hash sums which are also distribiuted on sourceforge? If there are
> > none, could you provide them please?
>
> They're included with the source:
>
> https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/blob/master/doc/release-process.txt
> and
> https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/tree/master/contrib/gitian-descriptors
>
> > Can their system be applied for Tor as well or are there any differences?
>
> Yes. It may take a little jiggling to get the builds to actually be
> deterministic for any particular package, but they should be
> applicable to anything.
> ___
> tor-talk mailing list
> tor-talk@lists.torproject.org
> https://lists.torproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/tor-talk
>
___
tor-talk mailing list
tor-talk@lists.torproject.org
https://lists.torproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/tor-talk

[tor-talk] Proxy servers?

[tor]

Could you direct me please to discussion on Proxy Servers?

I keep getting this message:

The proxy server is refusing connections

  Firefox is configured to use a proxy server that is refusing
connections.
  Check the proxy settings to make sure that they are correct.
  Contact your network administrator to make sure the proxy server is
working.

Surely it's already been covered in Forums for raw beginners like me?

JT
___
tor-talk mailing list
tor-talk@lists.torproject.org
https://lists.torproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/tor-talk