Re: [tor-talk] Post Quantum Tor
>> was just looking at BGP routing over tor. I'm not sure how to do that with >> the current implementation over hidden service. I'm having a hard time >> working out how to use it as layer 2 and encapsulate things over the >> network from one hidden service to another. > > This is because Tor only provides proxying and exit services at the > transit layer. You can't route arbitrary IP packets over Tor, and > so you can't, for example, ping or traceroute over Tor. > > https://www.torproject.org/docs/faq.html.en#TransportIPnotTCP > > Hidden services, for their part, don't even identify destinations with > IP addresses, so there's no prospect of using IP routing protocols to > describe routes to them. There are ways to do that... https://www.onioncat.org/ https://github.com/david415/onionvpn https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zj4hSx6cW80 https://itsecx.fhstp.ac.at/wp-content/uploads/2014/11/FischerOnionCat.pdf https://trac.torproject.org/projects/tor/search?q=onioncat=1=on=on https://trac.torproject.org/projects/tor/search?q=onionvpn=1=on=on https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rx4rS1gvp7Y https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ByRkUowW7UY https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RFHD6rKX3LI Yes if you changed the /48, played with NAT, and/or added router services... you could also interface onions end to end with clearnet and things like CJDNS / Hyperboria if you wanted to. > There have been projects to try to make a router that would automatically > proxy all TCP traffic to send it through Tor by default. Packet filters, tails, whonix, tor-ramdisk, etc do essentially this all the time. > that they were supposed to remove linkable identifiers and behaviors. > send cookies from non-Tor sessions > continue to be highly fingerprintable. Then don't do those things. They're user issues, not issues of whatever anonymous overlay. -- tor-talk mailing list - tor-talk@lists.torproject.org To unsubscribe or change other settings go to https://lists.torproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/tor-talk
Re: [tor-talk] Post Quantum Tor
Kevin Burress writes: > honestly, ideally it would be a lot easier to do things with tor if it > actually internally followed the unix philosophy and the layers of service > could be used as a part of the linux system and modular use of the parts. I > was just looking at BGP routing over tor. I'm not sure how to do that with > the current implementation over hidden service. I'm having a hard time > working out how to use it as layer 2 and encapsulate things over the > network from one hidden service to another. This is because Tor only provides proxying and exit services at the transit layer. You can't route arbitrary IP packets over Tor, and so you can't, for example, ping or traceroute over Tor. https://www.torproject.org/docs/faq.html.en#TransportIPnotTCP Hidden services, for their part, don't even identify destinations with IP addresses, so there's no prospect of using IP routing protocols to describe routes to them. There have been projects to try to make a router that would automatically proxy all TCP traffic to send it through Tor by default. (This would require writing custom code, not just using existing routing tools, again because Tor only operates at the TCP layer.) I was excited about this idea several years ago until the Tor maintainers reminded me that it would expose lots of linkable traffic from applications that didn't realize that they were supposed to remove linkable identifiers and behaviors. For example, browsers that didn't realize they were running over Tor would continue to send cookies from non-Tor sessions, and they would continue to be highly fingerprintable. -- Seth Schoen Senior Staff Technologist https://www.eff.org/ Electronic Frontier Foundation https://www.eff.org/join 815 Eddy Street, San Francisco, CA 94109 +1 415 436 9333 x107 -- tor-talk mailing list - tor-talk@lists.torproject.org To unsubscribe or change other settings go to https://lists.torproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/tor-talk
Re: [tor-talk] Post Quantum Tor
On May 28, 2018 10:06:05 PM UTC, Kevin Burress wrote: >Now whether or not all of this power consumption is a coverup for the >quantum capibilities of the NSA is a matter of speculation, but the >fact of the matter is they are breaking encryption and they did spend >$2 billion on a datacenter for that sole purpose. And B Gates is known to spend millions in Africa. Because he is a heterosexual male he must have a brothel and certainly has a brown skin fetish. Sadly, medical research seems to be going in the same direction, at least the popular magazine information. -- tor-talk mailing list - tor-talk@lists.torproject.org To unsubscribe or change other settings go to https://lists.torproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/tor-talk
