[tor-talk] Firefox Hello and privacy
I have checked the net high and low. And the talk is mostly about where you find the smiley icon to put on the bar. How does it work? How does it respect privacy? Do you know anything about this new thing? -- tor-talk mailing list - tor-talk@lists.torproject.org To unsubscribe or change other settings go to https://lists.torproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/tor-talk
[tor-talk] Running TBB with a remote tor process
I have a OpenWRT router. And I can install tor on that. I would like to have a middle relay. Can I hook up my TBB (computer linked over wifi) to that tor session? Is it a bad idea? It would be on the same subnetwork. -- tor-talk mailing list - tor-talk@lists.torproject.org To unsubscribe or change other settings go to https://lists.torproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/tor-talk
Re: [tor-talk] Fwd: I Encourage Everyone, Right Here And Now, To Donate Money To His Three Main Security Programs, Which He Uses The Most!
when2plus2...@riseup.net: > In addition, Facebook and the online payment processor Stripe each > pledged to donate $50,000 a year to Koch’s project. So Facebook is not that evil after all. -- tor-talk mailing list - tor-talk@lists.torproject.org To unsubscribe or change other settings go to https://lists.torproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/tor-talk
Re: [tor-talk] Fwd: I Encourage Everyone, Right Here And Now, To Donate Money To His Three Main Security Programs, Which He Uses The Most!
grarpamp: >> So Facebook is not that evil after all. > > But on balance, merely a political photo op. I forgot The Church of Scare has deemed Facebook the work of the Devil. My bad for the blasphemy. -- tor-talk mailing list - tor-talk@lists.torproject.org To unsubscribe or change other settings go to https://lists.torproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/tor-talk
Re: [tor-talk] Fwd: I Encourage Everyone, Right Here And Now, To Donate Money To His Three Main Security Programs, Which He Uses The Most!
Mirimir: > "They trust me — dumb fucks."[0] > > [0] > http://gawker.com/5636765/facebook-ceo-admits-to-calling-users-dumb-fucks Are you sure they have a monopoly on dumb fucks? -- tor-talk mailing list - tor-talk@lists.torproject.org To unsubscribe or change other settings go to https://lists.torproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/tor-talk
Re: [tor-talk] When you forget to pay your Internet Bill,
atoru...@mail2tor.com: > I am a loyal user of the Internet Time Warner Cable and I forgot to pay my > bill. Keep in mind that I've had Time Warner Cable for almost a year now > and I've never forgot to pay my bill. It is a terrible thing. You should protest. I mean the Internet started in late 2013 and you say that you never forgot to pay your bill all this time. Write your senator! -- tor-talk mailing list - tor-talk@lists.torproject.org To unsubscribe or change other settings go to https://lists.torproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/tor-talk
Re: [tor-talk] REAL-ID Internet Access Coming Soon
grarpamp: > The NRA is 3.5M - 5.0M members strong. They turn $250M/yr from that > base (manufacturers too). They have little difference of opinion > in their ranks. They are good at crafting and pitching political > rhetoric, framing the conversation, and rendering complex issues > into simple forms that resonate with their entire base. So to get freedom you need a group of few million human drones that would listen to an enlightened leader. Smart. -- tor-talk mailing list - tor-talk@lists.torproject.org To unsubscribe or change other settings go to https://lists.torproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/tor-talk
[tor-talk] Tor and HTTP/2?
What is the stand of the Tor Project related to HTTP/2? Thank you -- tor-talk mailing list - tor-talk@lists.torproject.org To unsubscribe or change other settings go to https://lists.torproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/tor-talk
Re: [tor-talk] Tor and HTTP/2?
intrigeri: > Tor can transport basically anything that lives on top of TCP. > Assuming HTTP/2 is TCP, then there's basically nothing to do on the > Tor side, it should just work :) Right. But see the WebRTC issues, does Tor browser team know of problems with this new HTTP flavor? -- tor-talk mailing list - tor-talk@lists.torproject.org To unsubscribe or change other settings go to https://lists.torproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/tor-talk
Re: [tor-talk] Why corrupt government officials are strongly opposed to this Tor project (a Gestapo government run amok!)
Travis Bean: > I am giving everyone on this mailing list a heads-up regarding what I > have uncovered about the Gestapo government here in the United States > and why corrupt government officials are so strongly opposed to this Tor > project. You have no idea what Gestapo was troll. > I can prove I have become a target after I published information on my > tlbean.com website exposing the truth about the National Security > Agency's control mechanism that is being used to unlawfully monitor all > Internet and email activity. I have had my cellphones and Internet > equipment sabotaged repeatedly after exposing the truth about the NSA > and after I published Tor-powered PrivacyGuard shell scripts on my website. You need therapy, not security. -- tor-talk mailing list - tor-talk@lists.torproject.org To unsubscribe or change other settings go to https://lists.torproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/tor-talk
Re: [tor-talk] Why corrupt government officials are strongly opposed to this Tor project (a Gestapo government run amok!)
z9wahqvh: > if the corrupt Gestapo government is so opposed to Tor, why do it and its > subsidiary agencies provide (and have provided for all of its history) > between 50 and 80% of the project's entire funding, a pattern which > continues to this day? Dude, this is a conspiracy. It does not need proof. In fact, absence of proof makes the conspiracy even more credible. Wait and see. Sooner or later Mossad, Israeli defense force, and Zionists are going to pop up like pop corn. -- tor-talk mailing list - tor-talk@lists.torproject.org To unsubscribe or change other settings go to https://lists.torproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/tor-talk
Re: [tor-talk] Why corrupt government officials are strongly opposed to this Tor project (a Gestapo government run amok!)
Ben Tasker: > Because in the absence of evidence, it is just that - a conspiracy > theory. You're asserting that Fox and the Govt (or at least some of > it's agencies) are conspiring, but have provided no real no evidence > to support it, hence theory. Please do pay attention to the terms you are using. A theory is a part of the scientific trajectory. What you are debating is a speculation at best, a delirium at least. The Theory of Evolution is a theory. The ghost of my grand-grand-father protects me from the evil eye is not a theory. Although I can prove that while that evil aunt was looking at me a truck passed by and the portrait of my ancestor fell from the wall thus breaking the witch's spell. First there were evil spirits. Than the evil spirits got condensed into one virtually omnipresent pure evil spirit called Satan. Recently you have mysterious aliens. Now because of the low quality propaganda, dubbed as information, the same old sickness turns into this paralyzing fear of surveillance. -- tor-talk mailing list - tor-talk@lists.torproject.org To unsubscribe or change other settings go to https://lists.torproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/tor-talk
Re: [tor-talk] Why corrupt government officials are strongly opposed to this Tor project (a Gestapo government run amok!)
Ben Tasker: >> Another example of hypocrisy is America. There's no government >> established killing camp system but at least 50 million have been >> murdered since 1972/73 through abortion. In all of the former examples >> it was deemed that there is a life not worth living and they aren't >> really "people". Such is how "the freest country in the world" values >> human life. Change the language and it's all the same. > > I appreciate there is strong feeling on both sides of that particular > debate, but I'm not entirely sure how you can view abortion as anywhere > near the same as rounding up people based on faith and executing them en > masse (to again use the German example). Abortion is it's own debate, and > personally I don't think it fits anywhere into the framing of genocide. But surely you know that every human born with ovaries is bound into slavery to be owned by one of the others. Even an embryo is more important than these weaklings some call women. Me, I'm still waiting for the one who will explain that NSA has secret prisons where they abort the future Jesuses. -- tor-talk mailing list - tor-talk@lists.torproject.org To unsubscribe or change other settings go to https://lists.torproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/tor-talk
Re: [tor-talk] Why corrupt government officials are strongly opposed to this Tor project (a Gestapo government run amok!)
mick: > Now can we all stop rising to troll bait? So you use your perceived authority of an upset citizen to mask your incapacity to use filters? -- tor-talk mailing list - tor-talk@lists.torproject.org To unsubscribe or change other settings go to https://lists.torproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/tor-talk
[tor-talk] Bitmask and Tor
Have you used Bitmask over Tor? Have you written about your experience? Do share. -- tor-talk mailing list - tor-talk@lists.torproject.org To unsubscribe or change other settings go to https://lists.torproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/tor-talk
Re: [tor-talk] Why corrupt government officials are strongly opposed to this Tor project (a Gestapo government run amok!)
Goltz, Jim (NIH/CIT) [E]: > If a list stops fulfilling these criteria, people like us > unsubscribe, leaving the list to its inevitable decline, destined to > join the ever-lengthening roll of moribund, flame-filled lists that > no longer exist or have ceased to serve any useful function on the > net. *People like us?* Are you called Legion because you are many? And a list goes boom because Jim/us is leaving? Sorry to hear that. What else do the voices tell you about the NSA? -- tor-talk mailing list - tor-talk@lists.torproject.org To unsubscribe or change other settings go to https://lists.torproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/tor-talk
Re: [tor-talk] New Tor project idea for internet comments
Yuri: > Who/how will decide what resources will such comments be attached to? > Where are they stored? You mention "relay" and "tor app". But there is > no such thing as "tor app". Do you mean having something like > distributed hash? Who will own such data? What is the way to ensure they > don't disappear? > How do you deal with abuse, spam? You are simply missing the point. The OP is the wise engineer/manager/painter who is explaining the immunologist he [the immunologist] is a moron because in 30 years none of the MDs and biologists have come up with a solution to HIV that is both cheap and 100% effective. So he [the egineer/whatever] has a Lenin type of idea: "learn, learn, learn". Obviously the biologists and MDs weren't intelligent enough. Still, he [the engineer/whatever] is way too busy to spend any more time with such trivia. Take a look at the archives. I speculate that there is one like this one every month. -- tor-talk mailing list - tor-talk@lists.torproject.org To unsubscribe or change other settings go to https://lists.torproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/tor-talk
Re: [tor-talk] A Declaration of the Independence of Cyberspace
nasuno: > A good rough draft if you are serious. A short version of that text would be "Hello god! It's me [author]". One might think people have made a few steps forward since Moses went up the mountain. Some shit in heated rooms built only for taking a dump. But the mind seems blocked in the same stupidity. -- tor-talk mailing list - tor-talk@lists.torproject.org To unsubscribe or change other settings go to https://lists.torproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/tor-talk
Re: [tor-talk] Blocking Baseless Speculation
Libertas: > I think that "legitimate" can probably be defined as "containing some > technical understanding and rigor, and not apparently a product of > paranoid schizophrenia or a related disorder". Meaning... meaningless. > I'm not sure that we should block anything, "We"? Who gives you the ability to block anything? > but this dilemma is worth discussing because it's a chronic problem Second medical diagnosis. Are you an MD? > on most popular security-related mailing lists. Name the sources. -- tor-talk mailing list - tor-talk@lists.torproject.org To unsubscribe or change other settings go to https://lists.torproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/tor-talk
Re: [tor-talk] Games Without Frontiers: Investigating Video Games as a Covert Channel
Rishab Nithyanand: > Hey all, > > I just thought I'd share and get feedback about some recent work from our > team at Stony Brook University. > > Title: Games Without Frontiers: Investigating Video Games as a Covert > Channel [ http://arxiv.org/pdf/1503.05904v1.pdf ] I say maybe, just maybe, it would have been a nice thing to test: Access Denied Sadly, you do not currently appear to have permission to access http://arxiv.org/pdf/1503.05904v1.pdf If you are using the PDF Plug-in, it has many bugs and is forbidden here due to problems it causes at the server end. You must confirm that you have disabled it before access can be restored. In Netscape try Edit -> Preferences -> Navigator -> Applications, look for Portable Document Format and uncheck the plug-in box. Or delete the pdf plugin dll file from the Program Files/Netscape/Navigator/Program/plugins directory and restart browser. Or for Acroread4/Explorer5 users, go into Acroread's File : Preferences : General : Web_Browser_Integration and make sure the little box is unchecked. Note to MacOSX users: There is a bug in the Acrobat reader which causes it to make endless streams of requests after having successfully downloaded the full pdf. Note that it is not necessary to use Acrobat at all, since pdf's from here render as well or better in the default Preview.app on MacOSX. If for some reason you think you need to use Acrobat, go to Acrobat Preferences -> Internet and turn off the "Allow speculative downloading in the background" option, which comes (incorrectly) turned on by default, and whose behavior is quite broken. If you believe this determination to be in error, see http://arxiv.org/denied.html for additional information. -- tor-talk mailing list - tor-talk@lists.torproject.org To unsubscribe or change other settings go to https://lists.torproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/tor-talk
Re: [tor-talk] Games Without Frontiers: Investigating Video Games as a Covert Channel
Rishab Nithyanand: > I can't replicate all client and browser configurations, exit relays before > posting a link to the most popular paper repository around. Sorry. You are obviously unable to edit the reply either. Excellent references. -- tor-talk mailing list - tor-talk@lists.torproject.org To unsubscribe or change other settings go to https://lists.torproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/tor-talk
Re: [tor-talk] New site attempting to help Tor grow
soc...@sponsor-privacy.com: > On 2015-04-17 09:19, Gareth Llewellyn wrote: >> *Questions:* >> Will you be open sourcing any of your automation tools? > > I have thought about this as it might allow others to spin up a similar > site. The issue right now is a lot of the I would stay clear from such a project. There is no person. Just a "team". And in the second email "the team" talks as I. Either this is another god emanating from Palestine, or a bunch of guys who are not clear how they are going to make money out of gullible. -- tor-talk mailing list - tor-talk@lists.torproject.org To unsubscribe or change other settings go to https://lists.torproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/tor-talk
Re: [tor-talk] Clarification of Tor's involvement with DARPA's Memex
Thomas White: > And there is some references to DARPA collaborating with some > developers from Tor Project. I'd like to ask the developers of Tor to > clarify what this involvement entails and why effort is being put > towards a LE tool instead of working on hiding Tor users through > improving anonymity or developing more circumvention based-tech. Riseup seems to be the new catalyst for this kind of user. Sometimes I feel so sorry for the people who do need Tor / GnuPG / RiseUp for their safety. -- tor-talk mailing list - tor-talk@lists.torproject.org To unsubscribe or change other settings go to https://lists.torproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/tor-talk
Re: [tor-talk] release of heads 0.2 live 100% libre torified distro based on devuan
parazyd: > On Mon, 10 Apr 2017, Mateo Carmona wrote: >> In regard to the great news about the release of heads OS I have two things >> to say, first congratulations! second why the heads repository is hosted in >> a non-free software repository (github). Is it not about Libre-privacy? > > I've tried hosting the repositories on git.devuan.org, but it hasn't > performed on-par at that time. I also don't have another place as good > as Github to host everything, along with the bugtracker. In any case, a > plethora of free software projects are hosted on Github, and I don't > really see an issue. All my git commits are signed with gnupg so we have > that going at least. Welcome to the "free" software world! Where the developers aren't reliable enough to have a host and a HTTPS certificate. And where those handicapped enough to be unable to write software have informed oppinions as long as they don't have to pay a cent. -- tor-talk mailing list - tor-talk@lists.torproject.org To unsubscribe or change other settings go to https://lists.torproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/tor-talk
Re: [tor-talk] Improved sharing of .onion links on Facebook!
xxx: > Well, my account "blocked" means that they asked me an official > DOCUMENT! As Photoshop is a good friend, no problem, but... That made me laugh so well. Thank you. It makes me think of the drunkard comming come late at night and falling into a manhole on the way home. Than his quest in the city council to remove sanitation because of accidents happening to the honest citizen. Cheers! -- tor-talk mailing list - tor-talk@lists.torproject.org To unsubscribe or change other settings go to https://lists.torproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/tor-talk
Re: [tor-talk] Is the recent growth in Ukrainian users confusing google's geoip?
krishna e bera: > On 18/06/17 05:50 AM, Alec Muffett wrote: >> In other news, the FB Onion, for some time after it launched, >> geolocated to London. I can't imagine why. > > How can a .onion geolocate anywhere? Arent they supposed to be > entirely in cyberspace and hidden? How can a TWO digit year can cause trouble to a FOUR digit year? The same logic from the same sort of programmers formed in the same environment. And they were never hidden. Once you know the right string you can connect. -- tor-talk mailing list - tor-talk@lists.torproject.org To unsubscribe or change other settings go to https://lists.torproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/tor-talk
Re: [tor-talk] Is the recent growth in Ukrainian users confusing google's geoip?
James Bunnell: > grarpamp: > >> Fuck Google. >> > > yes, agreed. > Smart. Open source smart. Beats giving a comparable service. -- tor-talk mailing list - tor-talk@lists.torproject.org To unsubscribe or change other settings go to https://lists.torproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/tor-talk
Re: [tor-talk] Thank you!
Oshame Bryan: > I'm new to this stuff and I want you to enlighten me about getting > connecting to the highest people on this internet That is the easiest thing. Find something you are really good about it. Become even better at it. Be recognised as one of the best in the field. Become the best in the field. And people will start seeking you. Some of those seeking your company will be directly connected with the people you want to meet. Happy end. -- tor-talk mailing list - tor-talk@lists.torproject.org To unsubscribe or change other settings go to https://lists.torproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/tor-talk
[tor-talk] What are you fighting for? was: Re: Neal Krawetz's abcission proposal, and Tor's reputation
krishna e bera:
> There is no country that respects freedom of speech and there is no
> country that respects privacy.
Borders are usually lines drawn on a map by old, usually white, males
with almost complete disregard to the humans living in around the area
crossed by the said line.
Countries are the surfaces delimited by those lines. On maps. Hence the
country can do shit.
What you probably meant is government. But the government is also an
abstraction. It is a list of names on a piece of paper.
What might help shaping your argument is realizing there are people
involved.
Try something like "no politician who wants to be reelected".
Proving a negative is also going to prove pretty damn hard.
Anyway, your discourse is a hysterical one as you conveniently avoid to
define the emotionally loaded terms of "freedom of speech" and
"privacy". You also seem to have no clear idea about who or what is the
subject, again, conveniently omitting it. For one, there are a lot of
places, "countries", where the privacy of the spy agencies is protected
up to the death penalty even if that is outlawed. Or so the people
opposing the government say.
And if you do not write in the vein of the aberrant 18th or 19th century
European philosophers, looking for a "perfect" freedom of speech and
privacy, than you already have that in the States. They are perfectible,
certainly. But without having an idea what should be solved, you end up
like all sorts of revolutionaries, meaning killing people marked as
class enemies.
> They all have various legal restrictions and exceptions for various
> reasons that change over time, sometimes drastically.
Perfect freedom would imply a monotheistic god stance. The moment you
have a community of gods you start having limits to that freedom. What
you should ask yourself is "whom does this restriction help?" and "do I
need this restriction?" Of course, there are many more questions to ask
your self, but this is probably a good starting point.
As you have probably remarked reaching for a solution is not an easy
task. And starting on the path towards the solution implies the effort
to identify the restrictions instead of wallowing in the warm and smelly
waters of convenience. Limiting yourself to some concepts turned into
baseball bats to rise "an against the system" gang will only help the
individuals in power expand their powers.
And yes, the legal restrictions change over time because the individuals
that compose a society, including the society named government, do
change. As a football team during a big game they change as individuals,
but they also can change their minds.
Your remark about "sometimes drastically" is cute. But completely
useless. Given enough time ALL restrictions are drastic.
> People will
> argue about such things forever,
See above. Identify the issues. It is pretty much like the security
models or the bug solving in software development. And I assume the
subscribers of this list are fairly familiar with these concepts.
> as we have seen in these sorts of
> threads.
"We" is a populist way of catching the attention. Which is in sync with
the radiating emotion from the entire post. It will greatly help moving
from emotion to reason. Sure, it will gain you less friends and
followers. But the people liking other people for this sort of discourse
are usually good only at pitchfork gatherings or for burning crosses.
So who is we? You and your husband or wife? You and your parents? You
and your other selfs? You write from one email account. Let the other
sock puppets express themselves. How about avoiding the weasel consensus
and just say "I"?
> If we want them we have to fight for them in the political
> arena ("policy").
And you are only one. And the current political system, at least for the
last 3000 years, is based on majorities. But at some of the issues that
bother you were also born because of fuzzy emotional concepts and half
baked solutions designed to show that "we" do make a change. In the case
of goverments, the word is reform. Do not be mislead by form, it is the
same concept.
The excellent part, and I am grateful to that, is that the Tor
foundation and EFF are making progress with identifying the problems and
finding solutions. It is an uphill battle which forces them to make some
compromises.
Cheers,
Lara
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Re: [tor-talk] $1,000,000 for tor zerodays
On Thu, 14 Sep 2017, at 04:35, krishna e bera wrote: > Anyone caught selling Tor bugs and exploits to anyone but TorProject > should be subject to some kind of severe penalty. It is an offence > against the right to privacy, in other words a crime against humanity. You have spoken so well, comrade! The People's Tribunals should judge harshly this sort of crime against our fellow comrades. And the Chief Administration of Corrective Labor Camps should make sure they are doing steady jobs to repay the public for their crimes. Than the people will need internal Passports. And should identify so the government will know who the criminals are. And finally everyone should be monitored by qualified agents to make sure nobody violates this sacred right to privacy. Once one single country starts doing that, more will follow. I am sure. Lara -- tor-talk mailing list - tor-talk@lists.torproject.org To unsubscribe or change other settings go to https://lists.torproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/tor-talk
Re: [tor-talk] How to find trust nodes?
On Thu, 28 Sep 2017, at 14:10, Jonathan D. Proulx wrote: > The design of Tor is that you don't need to trust all the nodes. You > just need to be sure the first one and the last in any connection > chain aren't run by the *same* malicious actor. You don't even have to know how to use the email, the case of Jonathan D. Proulx -- tor-talk mailing list - tor-talk@lists.torproject.org To unsubscribe or change other settings go to https://lists.torproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/tor-talk
[tor-talk] a security and stability update
Well, the spam banner was not showing, so that is a security and stability update. -- tor-talk mailing list - tor-talk@lists.torproject.org To unsubscribe or change other settings go to https://lists.torproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/tor-talk
Re: [tor-talk] donation via tbb
x9p wrote: > Paypal (or xyz bank) and Tor (anonymizing network) in the same > sentence.. should not be.. it's called "option", stallman jr -- tor-talk mailing list - tor-talk@lists.torproject.org To unsubscribe or change other settings go to https://lists.torproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/tor-talk
Re: [tor-talk] Mimix, an operating system inside the main OS
I see you are unable to notice the name of the OS - Minix, not Mimix. So are you sure you are the right person to raise the alarm about something as obvious as being mentioned days ago on Slashdot? -- tor-talk mailing list - tor-talk@lists.torproject.org To unsubscribe or change other settings go to https://lists.torproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/tor-talk
Re: [tor-talk] Google Goes Full Retard Against Tor
On Sat, 11 Nov 2017, at 16:05, se...@literati.org wrote: > Storing your data in a third party service without end-to-end > encryption is far worse from a privacy standpoint than not using Tor. > I see no dichotomy here. You are missing the point. They do not care about privacy. They care about forcing a third party to cater to their whims. Or shorter: do not feed the trolls. -- tor-talk mailing list - tor-talk@lists.torproject.org To unsubscribe or change other settings go to https://lists.torproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/tor-talk
Re: [tor-talk] Privacy Pass from Cloudflare, and the CAPTCHA problem
On Mon, 20 Nov 2017, at 03:11, bob1983 wrote: > What does the Tor community think about it? Could it be a possible > solution to the Tor-CAPTCHAs problem? Ugly. > 1. Any 3rd-party extensions harm the anonymity of Tor Browser, don't >install the Privacy Pass plugin to your Tor Browser. It would mean to lose the privacy or anonymity in exchange for receiving the same shit, only in smaller portions. "Users can now use the Privacy Pass browser extension to reduce the number of challenge pages presented by Cloudflare." 99.98% is smaller, yet indistinguishable from the user stand point. But it is an excellent position for cloudflare. They could track the user, as nobody has examined their configurations AFAIK, and lower the load on their servers. What is worse: the appeal to authority: "researchers from Royal Holloway and the University of Waterloo". Who? What is their track record? Are they known for work in privacy? Waterloo is not rated in the first 200 universities, so maybe they are not the best in the lot. For example, Roger Dingledine's name was associated with MIT which is both in Top 5 Universities and a private institution. Going on the site things are even blurrier: no reference to any audit. Even the authors have no idea: "In the near future, we hope to publish a paper detailing the security goals that we hope for our protocol to achieve." Near future is the optimist of sometimes. Yet it is a state university, so that depends on the student doing the research. Missing one grant request and they are gone. That also lights some more bad aspects. When someone using Tor will be in some Syrian jail, all the support coming from Cloudflare and Royal Holloway and the University of Waterloo will be a mention in some dry research paper published behind some paywall. > 2. It only supports Cloudflare. Something like this could be a general >and standardized protocol. So we could get rid of Cloudflare >CAPTCHAs, Google CAPTCHAs, you-name-it website CAPTCHAs altogether. >And we can integrate it in our browsers and servers. And Cloudflare is a hypocritical corporation just like any other: "Cloudflare believes that the web is for everyone." Hence the need to activate JavaScript for a whole site. Cheers, Lara -- tor-talk mailing list - tor-talk@lists.torproject.org To unsubscribe or change other settings go to https://lists.torproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/tor-talk
Re: [tor-talk] What The F - Tor Browser is not your privacy browser, Non-goal: PRIVACY
On Tue, 9 Jan 2018, at 23:18, debug wrote: > These 3-4 anonymouses are attacking each other. Can't you close this > ticket and lock already? This help nothing. > > I'm started to thinking Tor developers didn't care user's > privacy at all. Email at riseup. Tor Browser. You are just a middle class brat stomping his little feet for not getting enough for free. -- tor-talk mailing list - tor-talk@lists.torproject.org To unsubscribe or change other settings go to https://lists.torproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/tor-talk
Re: [tor-talk] What The F - Tor Browser is not your privacy browser, Non-goal: PRIVACY
On Wed, 10 Jan 2018, at 01:14, Duncan wrote: > This does not seem like very constructive criticism about Tor Browser. Actually the brat is right in his tantrum. Tor Browser should not even exist. But thanks to venerable gurus, like Vint Cerf, Richard Stallman, Tim Berners Lee and other old white men, the net today is the heaven for surveillance. I am not arguing for the conspiracy. Just little minds generating little thoughts. -- tor-talk mailing list - tor-talk@lists.torproject.org To unsubscribe or change other settings go to https://lists.torproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/tor-talk
Re: [tor-talk] manual proxy config
On Sun, 14 Jan 2018, at 13:27, Beach and Yoga Lover wrote: > SOCKS v5 host: 127.0.0.1 port: 9150 > Is this safe and reliable? Yes, these are the default values for Tor Browser. -- tor-talk mailing list - tor-talk@lists.torproject.org To unsubscribe or change other settings go to https://lists.torproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/tor-talk
Re: [tor-talk] Finding "Good" neigbors
> I would be interested in working to see organizations use Tor for > legitimate privacy and security uses. It's cute the huge ego that needs to be fed by the general public "because". Because of that I give you my useless answer: if it bleeds it leads. This is what the public is asking for and is ready to pay for. The public is right to confuse sensationalism with news. And that is what specialized outlets will deliver. As for "legitimate", Silk Road was by all means law breaking, yet it was helping people obtain what they needed while at the same time protecting both sides from violence. And government officials killing people in the hundreds for having the wrong skin color is both "upholding the law" and "protecting the innocent". Cheers, Lara -- tor-talk mailing list - tor-talk@lists.torproject.org To unsubscribe or change other settings go to https://lists.torproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/tor-talk
Re: [tor-talk] PGP fiddly-diddly - action required
On Wed, 16 May 2018, at 00:37, panoramix.druida wrote: > > https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2018/05/attention-pgp-users-new-vulnerabilities-require-you-take-action-now The problem with quoting links is that the source can ALWAYS change the text to fit the latest developments. So you should link as a reference to the context, but do QUOTE the parts that disturb you. > So if I have PGP to protect my email, their solution is to stop using > PGP because someone could read my encripted mails. The current page says: + Our advice, which mirrors that of the researchers, is to immediately + disable and/or uninstall tools that automatically decrypt PGP- + encrypted email. Notice the words automatically and decrypt, besides the immediately that unsettled you. > So now everyone would be able to read all of may emails. I doubt even EFF would have written such a thing. > Wouldn't be better to ask people to disable HTML on email and to > upgrade their email clients to stay protected. Only TorBirdy and other email related projects do say that. And there is no upgrade so asking users to upgrade would have been only a hysterical reaction. > I know PGP is not perfect, but it is the best we have for email. The best you know. And there is no "we". Different needs, different tools. > I know email is not perfect but it is more or less descentralize. More, less, the same. Emotion and zero information. > Why should be stop using email in favor of something such as Signal > (recomendation from EFF article) that is centralize and we should > trust the guys running the server are good guys. In its current form, it says nothing about "stop using" anything but software that automatically decrypts PGP. Anyway it is called trying to give a solution. And as far as I know Signal has a much better security history than the email client addons. > I understund that Signal has great security features like foreward > secrecy that PGP doesn't. I know it is open source, but you are forbid > to installed from free repostiories such as Fdroid. Nobody forbids anyone from installing anything from Fdroid. That IS EXACTLY the point of Fdroid. > Also you can not use Signal if you don't have a phone number. How > great is that for anonymity. In the country where I am living you can > not activiate a mobile phone number without your national id. In many countries you can't do that. So the responsibility should be ENTIRELY with you. People from other countries give you FDroid, Android, Internet, websites, and so on. It is up to you to either change that reality or vote with your feet if you are too weak, incompetent, and so on. Cheers -- tor-talk mailing list - tor-talk@lists.torproject.org To unsubscribe or change other settings go to https://lists.torproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/tor-talk
Re: [tor-talk] PGP fiddly-diddly - action required
On Wed, 16 May 2018, at 11:31, Sydney wrote: > >> So now everyone would be able to read all of may emails. > > I doubt even EFF would have written such a thing. > The EFF website still has the following, which you actively chose > to ignore: > > “...and temporarily stop sending and especially reading PGP- > encrypted email.” > > This could easily be interpreted — especially by someone that doesn’t > natively speak English — that PGP is not safe. Hence the corollary: if you are not a native speaker wait for a translation. > This is how I initially read the article. Stop reading PGP email means "everyone would be able to read ALL my email". A problem it is, but language is not. -- tor-talk mailing list - tor-talk@lists.torproject.org To unsubscribe or change other settings go to https://lists.torproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/tor-talk
Re: [tor-talk] Orbot: Over 20 Million Served, Ready for the Next Billion
On Wed, 16 May 2018, at 11:53, Nathan Freitas wrote: > Since we release Orbot roughly 8 years ago, it has been installed > more than 20 million times, by people from hundreds of different > countries and walks of life. Even better, we have cross the 2 million > active user mark, with growing adoption in many “mobile first” parts > of the world. Congratulations! But see the thread about EFF's reaction to the PGP related issues, be sure that people do not confound popularity with safety. -- tor-talk mailing list - tor-talk@lists.torproject.org To unsubscribe or change other settings go to https://lists.torproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/tor-talk
Re: [tor-talk] Orbot: Over 20 Million Served, Ready for the Next Billion
On Wed, 16 May 2018, at 13:19, Nathan Freitas wrote: > Agreed. It is good to celebrate milestones to ensure we keep our > energy and optimism up. Most of the time, however, we keep our heads > down, and focus on quality. I have been actively maintaining Orbot for > 9 years, so keep hope alive! And you are doing a wonderful job. And the only problem I perceive with Orbot is external to Orbot or you: the lack of competition. Firefox has Chrome, Opera, IE and a few others to keep on track and develop and even check for bugs. See the recent Intel CPU issues. Once a problem is identified say with IE, many will check all sort of variations on Firefox. Orbot is all alone on this market. Cheers! -- tor-talk mailing list - tor-talk@lists.torproject.org To unsubscribe or change other settings go to https://lists.torproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/tor-talk
Re: [tor-talk] Post Quantum Tor
On May 28, 2018 10:06:05 PM UTC, Kevin Burress wrote: >Now whether or not all of this power consumption is a coverup for the >quantum capibilities of the NSA is a matter of speculation, but the >fact of the matter is they are breaking encryption and they did spend >$2 billion on a datacenter for that sole purpose. And B Gates is known to spend millions in Africa. Because he is a heterosexual male he must have a brothel and certainly has a brown skin fetish. Sadly, medical research seems to be going in the same direction, at least the popular magazine information. -- tor-talk mailing list - tor-talk@lists.torproject.org To unsubscribe or change other settings go to https://lists.torproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/tor-talk
Re: [tor-talk] How do tor users get past the recapacha and it's super short 2min exemption
On Tue, 10 Jul 2018, at 12:12, David Niklas wrote: > grarpamp wrote: > > One email, and ticket opened, and tweet complaint, per each > > captcha click, from each affected tor user... that should do the > > trick ;-) > > I think I'll try that. Hence proving to the world that the Tor community is tiny, yet a major pain in the rear and as most generate only negative income they should be blocked for ever. -- tor-talk mailing list - tor-talk@lists.torproject.org To unsubscribe or change other settings go to https://lists.torproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/tor-talk
Re: [tor-talk] How do tor users get past the recapacha and it's super short 2min exemption
On Wed, 11 Jul 2018, at 16:01, Nathaniel Suchy wrote: > I hate Cloudflare and what they’re doing to Tor users. Luckily Cloudflare, Google, Facebook do not hate you or the other Tor Users. Talking about being unfair. > Very few of us have > done something malicious on Tor, Can you quote some reliable source? Or you just want to prove man can be hysterical without a womb? > there are a few bad actors Like? > running evil > scripts That enslave the souls of people watching Youtube videos? Or they just rise the dead at the local cemetery on Friday the 13th? > over Tor however most Tor traffic is good. Years ago I remember all sort of pimple faced admins lamenting how they snooped the Exit node traffic and it was all porn they do not enjoy. So even good can mean almost anything. Anyway, how about marking the disgusting beings that use the services of such racists as Cloudflare and NEVER generate any more traffic to their petty little sites? -- tor-talk mailing list - tor-talk@lists.torproject.org To unsubscribe or change other settings go to https://lists.torproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/tor-talk
Re: [tor-talk] How do tor users get past the recapacha and it's super short 2min exemption
On Thu, 12 Jul 2018, at 01:50, Dave Warren wrote: > Several Cloudflare staff members have commented [...] So you are a few steps closer to the truth than what Tor related activity I see online. Yes, Cloudflare is not a person. And *it* is not out to get precisely you as *it* sees the people as connections. > systems were left to score tor users based entirely on behaviour alone. Meaning Tor users are already favored. > To their credit, they do make it easy for site operators to approve tor > traffic in a more general way (by treating tor as a separate country in > their whitelisting system). And again. > I'm not suggesting that Cloudflare couldn't do more/better [...] Given how much Tor users pay they are already doing much. As for better, that is just an emotional term used by the loud activists. Better for them would be shut down Tor access the same way they close some access from other dubious parts of the net. Better for Greenpeace would mean send them more money to take photos with the polar bears. Better can mean almost 50% of the possible meanings and that varies from person to person. -- tor-talk mailing list - tor-talk@lists.torproject.org To unsubscribe or change other settings go to https://lists.torproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/tor-talk
Re: [tor-talk] Measuring on-line anonymity
On Wed, 15 Aug 2018, at 13:34, Nathaniel Suchy wrote: > Someone recommended that email was a more "anonymous" protocol. That really > depends. Actually, unless very new, there are no "more «anonymous»" protocols. And even those, like Tor are a compromise. People should thank Vint Cerf and the gang for writing the biggest surveillance machine in use. Which they seem to do at most geek meetings. After all, Bill Gates who made the web browser free and the Internet accessible to my grandmother was attacked and things were thrown at him. The military puppets or preachers for the Big Government like Schneier get nice speech fees and no pies. Cheers, Lara -- tor-talk mailing list - tor-talk@lists.torproject.org To unsubscribe or change other settings go to https://lists.torproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/tor-talk
Re: [tor-talk] Tor Browser Bundle as a "Snap" package
On Thu, Aug 23, 2018 at 8:59 AM Conrad Rockenhaus wrote: > > usage of a container (Snap or otherwise) to improve security? > > It takes at least double the amount of time to build a snap than it does > to build a deb, and in the end you can get the same result. Yes. We can all imagine the stupidity of say the Ubuntu team having both .deb and snap for the same result. Cheers -- tor-talk mailing list - tor-talk@lists.torproject.org To unsubscribe or change other settings go to https://lists.torproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/tor-talk
Re: [tor-talk] Two Degrees of Removal
On Sun, 16 Sep 2018, at 16:34, Alec Muffett wrote: > There appears to be some kind of bot which sends repeated porn/sex-related > emails to people who post to various Tor maillists. > > It's a nuisance but I just mark them as spam, albeit they arrive from > disparate email addresses. Observations: * the mails come *only* after posting. As an infrequent poster, I see mails coming say 24h after and none later. * the mails come from what my FastMail spam filters deem clean hosts. -- tor-talk mailing list - tor-talk@lists.torproject.org To unsubscribe or change other settings go to https://lists.torproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/tor-talk
Re: [tor-talk] Tor on the International Space Station?
On Fri, 28 Sep 2018, at 14:01, Nathaniel Suchy wrote: > Do we know if anyone has ever connected to the Tor Network from the > International Space Station? It would be quite ironic, given the latency they face in orbit. Cheers! -- tor-talk mailing list - tor-talk@lists.torproject.org To unsubscribe or change other settings go to https://lists.torproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/tor-talk
Re: [tor-talk] Well, what exactly are you trying to contribute with your efforts?
What a load of ***! On Mon, 29 Apr 2019, at 19:50, Conrad Rockenhaus wrote: > How is > my service even a commercial offer when it's a 501(c)(3) non-profit > and I'm not making a profit? You are selling something. And that status is only a deal between you and the government. If I think about it, most businesses classified like this usually sell a lot of junk "to support our cause". > How come you don't seem to get so > offended when Emerald Onions (for example, I have absolutely nothing > against them at all) supports an update about their services? So if X is not "offended" by someone else, than you are free to do whatever. You sound like a brat stomping his little feet because mommy is not around. > Why am I questioned for responding to an email bashing me for > attempting to contribute to the Tor project in a large way by helping > others [...] From what I see you are helping your Nonprofit scam live some more by asking others to do something. > I do wonder why the Tor Community Council wants to have such a > Chilling Effect on any speech related to GreyPony while allowing all > others to speak freely. It's kind of odd especially since it was > previously posted on this list that people could post even about > COMMERCIAL providers that are Tor friendly once and awhile but we're > OK a little hypocritical behavior if we don't like someone, amirite? It's a conspiracy baby. But given that you have a "non-profit", I could bet you will still stick around, instead of taking your toys before the tantrum is over. Cheers, Lara -- tor-talk mailing list - tor-talk@lists.torproject.org To unsubscribe or change other settings go to https://lists.torproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/tor-talk
Re: [tor-talk] ALL GREYPONY SERVERS ARE OPEN FOR DDOS
On Fri, 3 May 2019, at 12:27, Stirling Newberry wrote: > ATTENTION GREYPONY USERS So much for "I want a server that does not keep logs" Cheers, Lara -- tor-talk mailing list - tor-talk@lists.torproject.org To unsubscribe or change other settings go to https://lists.torproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/tor-talk
Re: [tor-talk] Codename: TorBirdy
Vincent Schouten [info]: > I guess it worked because after I started TBB (by clicking the desktop > application "start-tor-browser.desktop") and then Thunderbird+Birdy, my > mails were sent in plain txt and no errors were raised. However, how can > I validate that the emails were actually sent over the TOR network? You send them without Tor running. And examine the output. > Perhaps by looking into the source details of the email message at the > receiver's end? That too. > Last question: I might consider to use the system-installed Tor as > opening the Tor Browser every time that you want to send emails is a > little bit 'inefficient'. Keeping a service that you barely use on is also a waste of resources. > @Pacifica, what is your recommendation and is there any extended > documentation about how to use the system version? A step-by-step would > be helpful. Thank you for your time. It is the same thing. Just a different process listening to different ports. NB: if using Tor is your goal everything above is more than enough. If you want/need privacy you'd better use a new/clean profile at least. -- tor-talk mailing list - tor-talk@lists.torproject.org To unsubscribe or change other settings go to https://lists.torproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/tor-talk
Re: [tor-talk] Use of TOR for illegal activities
Paul A. Crable: > I have just finished Macdonald's "Future Crime", a recent book listing the > ways in which we are all abused and insulted, and will be further abused Not *we*. You. You felt somewhat like that. And you badly need to start a revolt. Most probably your name was not even mentioned in the book. But that is not a reason to stop a Holy War. Pretty much like the aholes going against selling of contraceptives because *I will never use it*. > and insulted, by unsavory persons and organizations through our > technology, particularly through the Internet. It makes sobering reading. Oh. You're a prophet too? Not just a concerned user? Hopefully there won't be many people biting into this bait to buy a two bit book *to see for myself*. > TOR is mentioned frequently, but the references are primary to its use by > criminals to carry out illegal activity, such as the Silk Road incident. That contradicts the above statements. > This ties in somewhat to a recent posting on this list claiming that 2/3's > of the activity on TOR is involved in pornography. I remember some posts in the last say seven years coming up with the same numbers. Just repeating it does not make it right. And what's the fuss with porn? Are you afraid Jesus, Mohammed or whomever will punish your eternal soul for sharing a network with people who watch porn? > I suppose I sound like a disapproving fussbudget, but I have trouble > understanding how and why we allow TOR to be used this way. I'm all for > free speech, but it's still illegal to falsely yell "Fire!" in a crowded > theater. Oh! A judge too. Quite a lot of qualifications for someone who cares so much about porn! > Is there some way to keep TOR out of the hands of sleazebags and crooks? > > Paul No Paul, if Paul is your name, because the mail list owner can not tell in advance that you think like that and deny subscription. And even if the admin could be a prophet like yourself, what is the point? You can always go some place else and start TheSkyIsFalling-l Cheers! -- tor-talk mailing list - tor-talk@lists.torproject.org To unsubscribe or change other settings go to https://lists.torproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/tor-talk
Re: [tor-talk] Use of TOR for illegal activities
Henrik Lund Kramshøj: > First, a society with NO CRIME would be a terrible idea. Since this > would require 1984 to be fully implemented, and such a dystopian > society would consist of slaves. It's funny how people reference books without even bothering to read. In 1984 crime is rampant. Not only the main characters are involved in illicit activities, but the Part has to have an investigative branch just to curb this. Also the use of the word slaves is just to make an emotional statement. Would slaves be aware of their slave status once ALL are in the same position? A society of slaves… slaves to what? Abrahamic rethorics have more than a millennia of pointing how people are slaves to money, fashion whatever and the only solution is accepting to be a slave for the preacher's own imaginary friend. > So some crime is to be accepted in a modern society - especially > victimless crimes like marijuana use should be revisited and laws > should be changed ASAP. - one europol chief once said about 3% of a > population are potential criminals Who? When? Where? Based on what? > and what is crime? Crime is what the one/ones in power deem unacceptable. > You mention pornography, and in my country Denmark it is legal - and > so is free speech in other countries around the world we see lots of > problems even with blogging - which quickly lands you in jail or > punished harshly. One recent example is Raif Badawi > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Raif_Badawi Using the same site I come up with "Freedom of speech and freedom of the press in Denmark"[1]: >> The major punishable acts are child pornography, libel, blasphemy, and hate speech/racism, which are restricted by the Danish penal code. Like most other countries, Denmark also forbids publishing classified material harmful to state security, copyright-protected material without permission and revealing trade secrets in the civil law. I have nothing against you. I do not even know you. I have never been to Denmark. And I admired the king when he refused to interfere with the press freedom. But Denmark, like any other country, is far from the free speech. Let's say the speech is more free there than in other places. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Freedom_of_speech_and_freedom_of_the_press_in_Denmark > So yes, we should DEFINITELY combat crime like child abuse - and > please call it what it is! - but disabling, blocking, censoring, > changing Tor would probably NOT help, since you would at the same > time have to break things like ordinary VPN. Child abuse is common in what is generally known as "the civilized world". An adult, ANY adult can shout at a child, can hit a child, can be brutal, violent, aggressive, dominant. Children are bodily harmed from a very young age ranging from mutilation, sedentarism, and bad eating habits. Sometimes it can be not only fun to play jokes on the children, but it can be mandatory: do that or you will burn in hell for an eternity. How about theocracies or the places where having a prepuce or clitoris is a sure way to be excluded from schooling? > without getting to much into politics we see bankers killing the > world for profit, and the results are fracking, hunger, ... and we > see politicians and FBI heads talking about surveillance of ordinary > people - that have done nothing wrong. So there were demons. Now they are bankers. And they do crazy rituals for reaping souls. That turned into excel pages and profits. After the uncertainty of the 19th century christianity seems to be back stronger than ever, only with a small change of vocabulary. Not even the fairy tales with the bankers are new. Good christians/muslims can not touch interest. Only the local temple, be it a church of morsque. Jews were allowed to do next to nothing. Even ownership was restricted without a baptismal certificate. So helping the economy thrive by giving credit was one of the last things they can do besides than lying in the road waiting to die. This way a smart move assuring the survival of the individual and his family becomes the capital sin of not dying fast enough. After the Holocaust, it is less acceptable to say Jew. So let us say banker. *Everybody knows Jews own the banks* anyway. Back to reality. Banker is also the nice teller who is doing overtime to feed the children. The teller has to accept the strict banking dress code. And the hippie across the street, getting a nice tan in shorts and sandals, can feel superior to *them drones*. > To me it is clear that allowing at least Tor traffic through my > networks I am enabling a more fair discussion, and allows good things > to happen. That is true. > It still makes me sad though that bad things happen, and some of > those are using the Tor network and my server. Bad. Haram. Unkosher. Terms that mean precisely NOTHING. A heroin dealer sells bad shit. The same person is bad to the dealer next door, evil to the concerned mother of three living some 200km away and good to the own ch
Re: [tor-talk] evidence that Tor isn't "amoral"?
Drew Fustini: > I don't believe that the majority of Tor traffic is "amoral", but I > would like to find data to support my belief. Anyone know of such > research or statistics? A friend... lame. But few have already bitten the bait. -- tor-talk mailing list - tor-talk@lists.torproject.org To unsubscribe or change other settings go to https://lists.torproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/tor-talk
Re: [tor-talk] pdf with tor
Yuri: > On 07/12/2015 12:27, Niels Elgaard Larsen wrote: >> If you convert it to a safer format > > It is nothing inherently unsafe in pdf format itself, and any other > document formats aren't any safer. You probably confuse pdf and > PostScript, which is more like a programming language. PDF isn't nearly > as much a programming language as ps is. It does have interpreted > elements in it, but so do all other formats. JavaScript looks pretty much like a programming language to me. And there is a history of buffer issues in different clients. -- tor-talk mailing list - tor-talk@lists.torproject.org To unsubscribe or change other settings go to https://lists.torproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/tor-talk
Re: [tor-talk] evidence that Tor isn't "amoral"?
After rereading the answer I realize it might sound sarcastic. It's not Drew Fustini: > Quite interesting. After reading the replies in this thread, I now > agree that the true definition of amoral is a good description of Tor. Reading philosophy, even introductory works, can make wonders in the understanding of the world around us. Just don't dive into texts older than say 50 years. > As an exit node operator, I do think of myself as being an impartial > conduit for Internet traffic. Right. You think. The others have the same position. Yet people are far from perfect. This is why security and anonymity should be in the design and not in the policy. > I personally believe Tor does more good than harm by allowing people > in repressive regimes access to information. I realize I can't > control what people choose to do with that access - I can only to > provide the means to use the Internet freely. Belief spells religion and leads to dogmatism. So it should be avoided. The answer is "we don't know". Repressive regimes use almost perfect tools like rubber hose cryptography. Also repressive regimes have a rather good control over the information. That is what allows them to be represive. And it is far easier to locate an individual in one hundred than in one hundred million. Hence those are already marked. -- tor-talk mailing list - tor-talk@lists.torproject.org To unsubscribe or change other settings go to https://lists.torproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/tor-talk
Re: [tor-talk] evidence that Tor isn't "amoral"?
Apple Apple: > I'm sorry I don't understand what you are trying to say. The Tor project > does not have any political motivations or affiliations. You are free to > use the Tor network to pursue any goal and subvert any government you wish, > including the United States. You simply don't understand that users's world. In there, his mother becoming pregnant is a political statement, heck, even going to the toilet can be an act of support for or against the government, In that twisted world the government is a person that conspires to do stuff. Pretty much like any abrahamic god. That miracle government is trying to kill Snowden or the Iraquis, and probably is having lunch some place posh as you are reading this. You can spot this kind of user easy: use and abuse of vague pronouns (we, you -- in the collective sense) and the abstractions that become human-like. So the government or a bank have a will of their own. The problem lies in their disgustingly insignificant lives: at day they sweep some metaphorical floor in an office somewhere, at night superhero. And all these gods and elites are presonally losing sleep over that user's very being. Thus he needs the best encryption and the best anonymity. Cheers -- tor-talk mailing list - tor-talk@lists.torproject.org To unsubscribe or change other settings go to https://lists.torproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/tor-talk
Re: [tor-talk] evidence that Tor isn't "amoral"?
Mansour Moufid: > Is bad traffic overrepresented or is good traffic underrepresented? Mansour, the above is an useless proposition. Meaning "Is it A or is it A?" > Bad actors are bound to be early adopters of any technology. As the > network becomes mainstream, its content will reflect the users. With > time things should improve. Bad actors take Razzie Awards. Else, yes, that is most probably going to happen. It happened back when Windows '95 hit the shelves too. I can imagine when socially inept will meet online once again and suffer for "the good old days" when decent pedophiles roamed and not the biberites of those dark dark days. Cheers! -- tor-talk mailing list - tor-talk@lists.torproject.org To unsubscribe or change other settings go to https://lists.torproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/tor-talk
Re: [tor-talk] Historically speaking, what was the U.S. navy /military
Virgil Griffith: > But what was the Navy/military originally hoping to use Tor-related > protocols for? It's unclear to me what their historical motivations were. Because they are servants of a reptilian specie of aliens, they are following their masters' plan. They need to spy on *you*. Because *you* are the key to this Armageddon. And, as you already know, they plan to exterminate the population by making it grow. And by giving little children ADHD through vaccines. When there is going to be no one, they are going to enslave humanity for the rest of the Eternity. That is when Jesus is coming back with Allah. Or coming on Allah's back. I keep forgetting this one. And now WE know you are on Tor and we can better track you. The best thing you can do is go to the designated police station and give yourself up. -- tor-talk mailing list - tor-talk@lists.torproject.org To unsubscribe or change other settings go to https://lists.torproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/tor-talk
Re: [tor-talk] Historically speaking, what was the U.S. navy /military
Cari Machet: > would be more effective if people were working on different projects for > security as many as possible I feel your pain, bro! How much time should *we* wait for them? *They* should get to work ASAP! -- tor-talk mailing list - tor-talk@lists.torproject.org To unsubscribe or change other settings go to https://lists.torproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/tor-talk
Re: [tor-talk] Historically speaking, what was the U.S. navy /military
devjimsm...@safe-mail.net: > Many people use TOR without understanding enough about how it works. > They trust TOR because of what they hear about it without their own > verification. TOR is just a tool not the solution and you have to > know how to use it correctly. The Tor team should prepare a list of quiz questions. And at every start the user should answer correctly at least 198 out of 200 questions. And the results should be published on a public site with name, ID number and home address so people could build up relevant statistics about the less knowledgeable that wish to use *our* network to watch *their* porn. -- tor-talk mailing list - tor-talk@lists.torproject.org To unsubscribe or change other settings go to https://lists.torproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/tor-talk
Re: [tor-talk] Historically speaking, what was the U.S. navy /military
Alexandre Guillioud: > People which need tor for security, anonymity, can and will inform > themselves.. If they don't, they risk exactly what they were risking > withiut it. But if that's so, than the sky is not falling. Won't Jeebus come on and stain his white cloud? I bet in the next post you're going to say Terminator 2 is just a script. -- tor-talk mailing list - tor-talk@lists.torproject.org To unsubscribe or change other settings go to https://lists.torproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/tor-talk
Re: [tor-talk] Historically speaking, what was the U.S. navy /military
Cari Machet: > dear lara > > you have a parasite ... ideology is a belief system & belief systems are > religious This guy: > On Thu, Jul 30, 2015 at 2:54 PM, Zenaan Harkness wrote: Is quoting this guy: >> On 7/30/15, Alexandre Guillioud wrote: And back to the first one. Dear Cari, learning how to edit an email would make miracles with your power of understanding. -- tor-talk mailing list - tor-talk@lists.torproject.org To unsubscribe or change other settings go to https://lists.torproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/tor-talk
Re: [tor-talk] Historically speaking, what was the U.S. navy /military
Mansour Moufid: > Pizza is a real problem: > > http://www.cbsnews.com/news/hezbollah-names-cia-agents-in-lebanon/ > > Coffee too! Fascinating article. A group speculates about some people. Their method might be as rudimentary as locating a blond person in a part of the city where all people have black hair. The method won't be disclosed. The group publishes the data. One might argue that is a good thing based on motives, a nice Kantian approach. Yet, by doing this, one deliberately ignores it is an act of bullying, no different that putting nude pictures of the ex-girlfriend "because she's a slut". Given the situation is quite volatile in the region, with more than one civil war going nearby, knowing the rule of law is quite weak and that weapons are easily available, the ONLY reasonable action is for those people to leave as fast as possible and probably as far as possible. Which, in turn, proves not only that the first group is right in naming the spies, but also that bullying is the way to do things. This way a rather silly and quite unpleasant gesture becomes one more step on the way back into the Middle Ages. Sad. But this is the way humans are. -- tor-talk mailing list - tor-talk@lists.torproject.org To unsubscribe or change other settings go to https://lists.torproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/tor-talk
[tor-talk] TBB 5 and Firefox Reader
Crappy design and wild adverts seem to be the norm on the Web. So Firefox Reader comes as a pretty useful app/extension/whatever they might call it. But I see it is disabled in TBB5. Can anyone shed some light why? Cheers! -- tor-talk mailing list - tor-talk@lists.torproject.org To unsubscribe or change other settings go to https://lists.torproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/tor-talk
[tor-talk] Request: Firefox extension/addon checking tutorial
I have no idea how to do it. And I bet most of the readers of this list don't know it either. Yet, they can be pretty useful in some cases or downright dangerous in others. Take for example an adblocker. It can fingerprint you, but it can save time, bandwidth, battery time. When you have a short attention span like me, it can make a difference between reading the article and hiting back to the search results. Anybody care to make a peer-reviewed guide of how to check the extensions for leaks, cheats and other dirty tricks? Cheers! -- tor-talk mailing list - tor-talk@lists.torproject.org To unsubscribe or change other settings go to https://lists.torproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/tor-talk
[tor-talk] TBB5 & torsocks
I use torsocks 2.1.0 with youtube-dl. After the upgrade the connection keeps breaking off. Quite often the dns resolution. And less often the connection just breaks. Everything but TBB is unchanged. So I have made the experiment. With TBB 4.5 everything works fine with no error. Back to TBB 5 and the errors start popping up again. -- tor-talk mailing list - tor-talk@lists.torproject.org To unsubscribe or change other settings go to https://lists.torproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/tor-talk
Re: [tor-talk] Detritus
paul.cra...@sdf.org: > I'd like to ask individuals to take a moment to erase the detritus of > earlier messages before hitting "Send". Otherwise, I'm going to get > carpel tunnel syndrome hitting "Page Down" to get to the meat in the > message. They simply can't. The brainpower is too low. This is what makes email so much more beautiful. Top reply, inability to edit even the mailing list signature, all these are there to help you filter up the junk. Just set the list to individual emails instead of digest and start adding emails to one long list destined to /dev/null or whatever equivalent you have on your system. In a few days idiots would be far fewer and further apart. Than you can do even nicer things like adding the nuts that pop around this list so often, the ones who don't have a clear idea what's going on, but they badly need *total* government protection in less than $200. Cheers! -- tor-talk mailing list - tor-talk@lists.torproject.org To unsubscribe or change other settings go to https://lists.torproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/tor-talk
Re: [tor-talk] tor + twitter issues
isis: > I was contacted by some nice folks at Twitter who have worked to resolve this > issue. The problems with Tor users being locked out of their Twittter > accounts and asked for phone number *should* be fixed, but I wasn't given > many details as to what the fix entails, so… It's a lie. I barely tweet. It is mostly to have all the interesting people in one feed. Once I stop accessing the account for a few days they detect strange activities. I have checked the access list and there is nobody there but me. About two weeks they started asking for a phone number. So probably I'll have to generate another account. The only good part is that public stuff is kept public and Twitter is for the time being not a walled garden. But these things change. Cheers! -- tor-talk mailing list - tor-talk@lists.torproject.org To unsubscribe or change other settings go to https://lists.torproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/tor-talk
Re: [tor-talk] tor + twitter issues
ma...@wk3.org: > Maybe this is a good opportunity to invite people to Diaspora again. > It's still not perfect, but it's running for something like 5 years now > without major glitches and is only getting better. Only that the interesting people are on the other side. That is the reason why twitter.com is and status.net isn't. No dark conspiracy. -- tor-talk mailing list - tor-talk@lists.torproject.org To unsubscribe or change other settings go to https://lists.torproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/tor-talk
[tor-talk] Diaspora, Status.net and the rest Re: A little more hostility towards Tor from Twitter
ma...@wk3.org: > may I cease the occasion to invite everyone to Diaspora* once again? > It's totally Tor-friendly and basically uncensorable. I wonder at which point making the same advertisment turns into spam. > A bunch of servers/pods (because the list https://podupti.me is behind > CloudFlare (I admit, I am a bit embarassed...)): I wanted to experience "the freedom" a couple of months ago. So I went ahead and made a few accounts, long deleted. If I recall well, only two or three servers have .onion addresses. Both services (or pods) I have tested use plain http for the .onion address. Anyway, it is quite pointless, because once you are in you get a bunch of connections in the regular Internet, including the main server which should have been mirrored on the .onion address. At first I had the vague impression that diaspora is an idiot magnet. Few activity and the regular conspiracy nut slash armchair social supported anarchist crowd. Maybe it is just a matter of taste. I have no idea if nobody cared about me because I identified as male. But anyway, that was the only plus: no harrassment. Later I have told myself that is because of the number of users. Users who are on twitter slash facebook anyway and seem to need the mirroring functions. And the few posts that are not about programming or the revolution set up to start yesterday are like 3-4 months apart. I would have ignored the thread. Usually I filter out this kind of whining. And than: Roman Mamedov: > Speaking of Twitter alternatives, I find GNU social can be made into a really > nice one. Example: https://quitter.se/ Actually at the time, 2015, there are only two alternatives: mainstream or not. The mainstream is where the people are. Meaning Facebook or Twitter. Facebook is a walled garder. Meaning you are either in or out. With twitter, just checking the user's page from time to time is enough to keep you updated without bothering without wasting time jumping through the twitter's flaming hoops of identificating over and over again. Not mainstream means wasting far more time than with the above and meeting the same thousand nutcases who have opened at least one account on every service. #Diaspora A nice promise. The promise was all users have got. And it was a good sale. Over $200k[1]! It is sooo decentralised you can't even migrate an account from one server to another. At least it is working. But the team deserted and it working on the next moneymaking promise. #Status.net It was supposed to be the twitter killer. Twitter without limits. Only that the twitter guys set the drastic limits and still failed a few times. Only a fraction of the twitter trafic with the twitter restrictions in place would most probably kill the status.net. But status.net is already dead. The sole developer has moved to make the facebook killer. Cute. #Pump.io The facebook killer. Or at least that was the promise. Not very well polished. But one is reminded of the sole main developer and limited resources. Probably there are more born dead projects. All with the same thousand of users. One has to love the double standard: facebook wouldn't be here based on one developer. Yet counting the names involved with the necropolis of disfunctional social webs, the developers I far fewer than the preacher and prophets against the scarry mainstream in which they can't seem to fit anyway. So it probably makes sense to get on kickstart and sell the GPLed Pinterest. And the wheel is turning. Less than a generation again Miguel de Icaza was runing the same scam. Give the penultimate Windows experience. That is their trade. I respect that. My issue is with the masses. How can an Outlook 95 clone, written in the days of Outlook 97 become better and more original than an OS X? Take Yahoo Messenger. It started as a lame ICQ clone. In 2005 there was voice support. By 2009 there was webcam support. The so called free world kept feeling good about SIP. Instantbird/Tor Messenger still does not support audio and video. So call it a capitalist white conspiracy because the users have NO choice. Cheers! [1] https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/mbs348/diaspora-the-personally-controlled-do-it-all-distr -- tor-talk mailing list - tor-talk@lists.torproject.org To unsubscribe or change other settings go to https://lists.torproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/tor-talk
[tor-talk] JMAP, another IMAP
Fastmail and others are working on a combination of JSON and some ideas of IMAP[1]. Could somebody from the TorBirdy team take a look and see if this new protocol is safer for privacy? The project is rather young so they probably can take privacy oriented suggestions now to integrate in the future protocol which will be better than late additions or protocol extensions. Cheers! Lara [1] http://jmap.io/ -- tor-talk mailing list - tor-talk@lists.torproject.org To unsubscribe or change other settings go to https://lists.torproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/tor-talk
[tor-talk] XUL seems dying, what direction is TBB going to take?
Sorry for the old news. I found out that Mozilla announced in late August they are going to kill XUL in favor of a Chrome-like API[1]. What does that mean for the Tor Browser Bundle? Cheers! [1] https://blog.mozilla.org/addons/2015/08/21/the-future-of-developing-firefox-add-ons/ -- tor-talk mailing list - tor-talk@lists.torproject.org To unsubscribe or change other settings go to https://lists.torproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/tor-talk
Re: [tor-talk] trusting .onion services
Rejo Zenger: > - How can a user reliably determine some .onion address actually >belongs to intended owner? The user can call the admin and ask the admin to read aloud the key fingerprint. > - How is the provider of .onion service supposed to deal with a lost or >compromised private key, especially from the point of view from the >user of this service? How does the user know a .onion-address has >it's key revoke? Use any form of reliable communication to communicate the old key is unreliable. I am not aware of a revoke system. > By relying on > the certificate signed by a trusted CA, the user can be sure the site he > is connecting to is actually belongs to a particular entity. With a > .onion address that is no longer needed since those address are > self-authenticating. Sounds good. No. Through hacking or criminal intent the CAs are known to generate fake keys that are certificated too. This is why there is a SSL Observatory. With any certificate you get that. Not only ,onion addresses. And there are quite a few sites in clearnet with self-signed certificates. > As far as I can tell, Facebook has two solutions to this: it > mentions the correct address in presentations, blogs and press coverage > wherever it can and its TLS-certificate mentions both the .onion address > as well as it's regular address (as Subject Alt Names). This is why there might be any number of Fakebook.com, Faeebook.com, Facebook.net. The big players buy a lot of these domains and use the muscle to remove the others. But that is not for everybody. Cheers -- tor-talk mailing list - tor-talk@lists.torproject.org To unsubscribe or change other settings go to https://lists.torproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/tor-talk
Re: [tor-talk] trusting .onion services
Rejo Zenger: >> The user can call the admin and ask the admin to read aloud the key >> fingerprint. > > Yes, I like the idea. Still, I think this is not scalable, do you > think? In this case you will have to trust somebody who has already done that. Maybe. Or probably the one you know trusts somebody else. Each step the risks increase and the chance of you finding out the key was compromised decreases. Finally, it is your call. Cheers! -- tor-talk mailing list - tor-talk@lists.torproject.org To unsubscribe or change other settings go to https://lists.torproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/tor-talk
Re: [tor-talk] ProtonMail
Jerry Rocteur: > I wanted to get your opinion, is ProtonMail a good solution for > encrypted mails or should I look at alternatives. What are your alternatives? > I’ve searched and read quite a few articles and I understand that Like? Give us some references? I am sure at least some would like to read those reviews. > nothing is really secure .. I also have my own Debian server on the What do you understand by 'really secure'? I live in a small (population 10+k) quiet redneck mountain town. So far I leave my bike in front of a shop when I do my errands. And leaving it unlocked for up to 30 minutes has been really secure. I have a feeling you mean something else by those words. > web so I’m open to suggestions if any of you has an opinion. Protonmail sounds very insecure. I have never used their services, but I fail to see where I can keep and backup "my" keys or how can I prevent them from using "my" key. So to me it sounds just like the lies of HideMyAss. Hopefully, somebody more informed can set the record straight. Cheers -- tor-talk mailing list - tor-talk@lists.torproject.org To unsubscribe or change other settings go to https://lists.torproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/tor-talk
[tor-talk] torsocks vs proxychains4
I trust torsocks more, not because it has tor in its name, but because Jake is working or has worked on it. But torsocks 2 makes youtube-dl get out of memory and swap too. proxychains4 is something I just found out. It works well. It was built for something else, although it can be used only for tor too. It is more complex and that is usually not a good thing. And there is no -i switch to generate a user/password pair. What can you tell me about these two apps? Can I trust proxychains4 not to leak data? Cheers, Lara -- tor-talk mailing list - tor-talk@lists.torproject.org To unsubscribe or change other settings go to https://lists.torproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/tor-talk
Re: [tor-talk] Any updates from Tor Project on ioerror?
jacob appelbaum (ioerror) questions: > https://medium.com/@nickf4rr/hi-im-nick-farr-nickf4rr-35c32f13da4d > > Hi. I’m Nick Farr. (@nickf4rr) A bunch of trolls inventing vague stories. The people who know Jake seem silent. Yet sock puppets seem to know a lot. They have never talked before, only now they found the courage. Back when the stories are generated were on some other mission bought on some Mechanical Turk. -- tor-talk mailing list - tor-talk@lists.torproject.org To unsubscribe or change other settings go to https://lists.torproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/tor-talk
Re: [tor-talk] Any updates from Tor Project on ioerror?
Not Friendly: > Why are the people who know his being silent (or not responding to the > discussion)? What does it imply? Maybe he just choses smart people for friends. Maybe they are green men helping install capitalism/comunism/whatever-ism. I see aholes already know his childhood family life. I wonder how long till someone brings up the Protocols of the Elders of Sion. -- tor-talk mailing list - tor-talk@lists.torproject.org To unsubscribe or change other settings go to https://lists.torproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/tor-talk
Re: [tor-talk] Any updates from Tor Project on ioerror?
Christian Pietsch: > On Sun, Jun 05, 2016 at 10:46:07PM +0000, Lara wrote: >>> https://medium.com/@nickf4rr/hi-im-nick-farr-nickf4rr-35c32f13da4d >>> >>> Hi. I’m Nick Farr. (@nickf4rr) >> >> A bunch of trolls inventing vague stories. The people who know Jake seem >> silent. Yet sock puppets seem to know a lot. They have never talked >> before, only now they found the courage. Back when the stories are >> generated were on some other mission bought on some Mechanical Turk. > > Please do not throw the baby out with the bath water. There may be > sock puppets posting on this list, but Nick Farr is not one. Friends > of mine who attend the CCC gatherings have missed him dearly in recent > years and are shocked to learn the (main) reason for his absence now. Not at all Chris. I don't know Nick. I don't care if he exists or not. The 'Nick Farr' who posted on this list was one of many who erected a wall of noise in the last hours. I'm quite sure that at least a few of the noise messages were generated by regular stupidity. Those individuals can stay in their own feces (state surveillance) and do nothing (coding, whistleblowing, anything), yet they get itchy if Jake does not send them a personal email explaining the whole story, even the parts Jake probably doesn't know. -- tor-talk mailing list - tor-talk@lists.torproject.org To unsubscribe or change other settings go to https://lists.torproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/tor-talk
Re: [tor-talk] Decoding Jake Appelbaum
Cecilia Tanaka: > Cari, I was raped twice. Different guys, different countries, several > years between an event and other. Guys, all of you, not just Cecilia, please let it die. It is one thing to point the fallacies into the discourse and a totally different thing to play this game of apparent reason. -- tor-talk mailing list - tor-talk@lists.torproject.org To unsubscribe or change other settings go to https://lists.torproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/tor-talk
Re: [tor-talk] Decoding Jake Appelbaum
Cecilia Tanaka: > You are a good person and it is the reason why - sorry! - > sometimes, I ask for you don't be so aggressive in your messages. > You are not an agressive person and - sorry again! - it always > seems strange for me. :P Probably not all, but most email clients and providers do offer the ability to filter users who seem to be d*cks. That would save time, because d*cks usually have something more to say, some more salt on the wound if possible. If the filter is generic enough, one can be saved from their personal messages as well, not just those sent to the list. -- tor-talk mailing list - tor-talk@lists.torproject.org To unsubscribe or change other settings go to https://lists.torproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/tor-talk
Re: [tor-talk] Eyewitnesses Recount Tor Developer Jacob Appelbaum’s Unwanted Sexual Advances
Green Dream: > Yeah, I've had enough as well. Please stop doing this, if we want to > read more about this topic, it's not hard to find. Weird. All I could find were some bitter ego trip stories who were written by some nobodies. Nobodies about whom somebodies are not sure they are who they claim to be. Hint: use the filters and the sad clowns will be gone. Sure, they can reappear, but the filters can be so quick to edit. -- tor-talk mailing list - tor-talk@lists.torproject.org To unsubscribe or change other settings go to https://lists.torproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/tor-talk
Re: [tor-talk] Reddit user babalui1 claims that Roger Dingledine is next to get fired by the Tor Project
carlos...@sigaint.org: > Reddit user babalui1 claims that Roger Dingledine is next to get fired by > the Tor Project Talking about click bait. A nobody quotes some other nobody that somebody is going to do something. Couting the morons who will start expressing sincere, yet moronic oppinions. 1... -- tor-talk mailing list - tor-talk@lists.torproject.org To unsubscribe or change other settings go to https://lists.torproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/tor-talk
Re: [tor-talk] Bittorrent starting to move entirely within anonymous overlay nets
Jaromil: > To my eyes and those of many others, So you are studdenly a whole forum. > Tor would be much more credible if it would acknowledge and respect > boundaries. Are you aware that 'Tor' is not a person? -- tor-talk mailing list - tor-talk@lists.torproject.org To unsubscribe or change other settings go to https://lists.torproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/tor-talk
Re: [tor-talk] Our Response — In Solidarity with Jacob Appelbaum and on the Side of Justice for All
Octarina: > > Our Response So this is tor-talk no more, but Appelbaum-Gossip Mailing List. It's ugly when your supporters are mindless and spammers. -- tor-talk mailing list - tor-talk@lists.torproject.org To unsubscribe or change other settings go to https://lists.torproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/tor-talk
Re: [tor-talk] "But he does good work." *Appelbaum*
Tempest: > that rule only applies in a court of law. if you steal from me and are > never taken to court, it's not a violation of "due process" if i call > you a thief, nor is it defamation. This is a good reason to hire a lawyer. Just being handy enough with setting up a pgp key doesn't mean you can give legal advice online. Yet you still have your freedom to express nonsense. -- tor-talk mailing list - tor-talk@lists.torproject.org To unsubscribe or change other settings go to https://lists.torproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/tor-talk
Re: [tor-talk] Riffle: an efficient communication system with strong anonymity
Ken Cline: > Descriptions of what the links are about would be appreciated. > Otherwise this kind of post looks awfully spammy to my eye. You are missing the point. The guy wants to show the world he is a big boy now. Not only he can read in English, he can identify the subject of the given article and post it accordingly. Imagine a baesyan filter amoeboid. -- tor-talk mailing list - tor-talk@lists.torproject.org To unsubscribe or change other settings go to https://lists.torproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/tor-talk
Re: [tor-talk] Username Generator programs
ban...@openmailbox.org: > Besides password re-use from non-anonymous accounts (which password > managers deal with), writing style (Anonymouth is supposed to deal with > that - openjdk support in progress), Re-using a non-anonymous username > by mistake is a remaining problem. Great! Now everybody will have to at least seem to use a real name as username as autogenerated names would spell spammers, trolls and fascists, all scared for their lives. -- tor-talk mailing list - tor-talk@lists.torproject.org To unsubscribe or change other settings go to https://lists.torproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/tor-talk
Re: [tor-talk] Tor and macOS Sierra
tort...@nym.hush.com: > Thanks for the reply, Flipchan. Ok, I am no expert with this but had a > look at lsof (mac equivalent of netstat) and it doesn't look like this > is the problem. I'm attaching a screencap; the first test is before > running Tor, the second is right after getting the error message. If I'm > not mistaken, Tor is definitely using different ports, so there > shouldn't be a conflict, right? lsof compiles on many systems. it is not the mac equivalent of anything. -- tor-talk mailing list - tor-talk@lists.torproject.org To unsubscribe or change other settings go to https://lists.torproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/tor-talk
[tor-talk] [off-topic] linux firewall
Linux is such a backwards system, yet, like firefox, it is the only working alternative to closed systems. I can't seem to find any decent firewall. Like http, the linux firewall is the same concept from the age of arpanet. Do you know any working and stable project that can be the equivalent of say AFWall+? Cheers! -- tor-talk mailing list - tor-talk@lists.torproject.org To unsubscribe or change other settings go to https://lists.torproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/tor-talk
Re: [tor-talk] A proposal for redesigning Tor-Launcher for better usability
irykoon: > they conducted a 124-participant experiment 124 is pretty insignificant even by Tor userbase standards. > and a 100 > percentages of reducing on the time to success when comparing their > redesign of Tor Launcher with the original one. when you reduce something with 100% that means zero success it is nice you are concerned about this. but maybe somebody else should handle it. -- tor-talk mailing list - tor-talk@lists.torproject.org To unsubscribe or change other settings go to https://lists.torproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/tor-talk
