Re: [tor-talk] Tor in Russia, blocked from Nov 1st?
On Mon, Oct 16, 2017 at 11:16:45PM +0300, xxx wrote: > Seems that TOR will be blocked from Nov 1st in Russia. Any info on > this? In such a case, will it be possible to use Tor through "bridges"? Please, s/TOR/Tor/ ;-) Also, there is an interesting point regarding blocking Tor in Russia legally. As far as I understand, some entity representing tor network should get an official letter from Russian government regarding providing services to Russian users and requirement to implement filtering in the network. As far as I understand (I'm not a lawyer), it's impossible to ban the service _legally_ without delivering alike letter. Legal definition of letter "delivery" is also somewhat tricky as tor network is operated by relay operators, not by The Tor Project Inc. Asking The Tor Project Inc (non-profit doing software development) is like asking firmware vendors (Linux kernel? Cisco and Huawei? I don't know the right analogy) to implement Russian blocklist in their firmware instead of asking Russian ISPs to comply. I'm unsure if there is such a thing as "entity representing tor network". I can't even imagine anything better than public mailing list of relay operators (tor-relays@ is declared as support, not a NOG, network operator group) that's also questionable destination for alike letter. Anyway, it looks like an interesting case from legal standpoint, it would be interesting news source if some Russian lawyer takes it. -- WBRBW, Leonid Evdokimov, xmpp:l...@darkk.net.ru http://darkk.net.ru tel:+79816800702 PGP: 6691 DE6B 4CCD C1C1 76A0 0D4A E1F2 A980 7F50 FAB2 signature.asc Description: PGP signature -- tor-talk mailing list - tor-talk@lists.torproject.org To unsubscribe or change other settings go to https://lists.torproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/tor-talk
Re: [tor-talk] Tor ban discussion at Russian state Duma
On Sun, Jul 09, 2017 at 11:05:04AM +0200, Anders Andersson wrote: > Could you elaborate on "sort of a right"? I'm unsure if it's lawful right as it's actually and update to "criteria for judging the content if it's good or not". I'm unsure if Federal tax service actually can to issue an update saying that it's going to consider websites hosting circumvention tools illegal BECAUSE OF possibility to gain access to gambling websites through circumvention tools. Argumentum ad absurdum: sold laptops and travelling to another country may be used to gain access to gambling websites, so Federal Tax Service should also ban websites selling computers and airplane tickets. That's why I say "sort of a right". > From your summary it seems that they do have the right to ban for > example https://www.torproject.org/ but running a Tor exit node or > using Tor should be safe? Yep, that's what I get from the document. The bill making running at Tor node possibly questionable activity (that was discussed in the very first message of the thread) is yet to be accepted by the parliament. The draft used during the first hearing also had no punishment (no fine, no criminal charges) for running Tor node as far as I could understand. The bill have passed the first hearing of three by the moment. -- WBRBW, Leonid Evdokimov, xmpp:l...@darkk.net.ru http://darkk.net.ru tel:+79816800702 PGP: 6691 DE6B 4CCD C1C1 76A0 0D4A E1F2 A980 7F50 FAB2 -- tor-talk mailing list - tor-talk@lists.torproject.org To unsubscribe or change other settings go to https://lists.torproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/tor-talk
Re: [tor-talk] Tor ban discussion at Russian state Duma
On Tue, Jun 27, 2017 at 02:37:02PM +0300, Leonid Evdokimov wrote: > there is ~120 days gap after 3rd draft approval before Tor being outlawed. Small update. I consider that statement it technically wrong now :) Russian Federal Tax Service (the one that banned www.google.ru for a couple of hours) got sort of a right to ban websites distributing network censorship circumvention tools if the tools can be used to access illegal gambling sites. Corresponding order was issued on the 18th of May, registered within ministry of justice on the 27th of June and published on 29th. One who wants to read the order should look at articles №4.1.7 and №4.1.8. http://publication.pravo.gov.ru/Document/View/0001201706290015?index=0=1 https://archive.li/Noo6Q -- WBRBW, Leonid Evdokimov, xmpp:l...@darkk.net.ru http://darkk.net.ru tel:+79816800702 PGP: 6691 DE6B 4CCD C1C1 76A0 0D4A E1F2 A980 7F50 FAB2 -- tor-talk mailing list - tor-talk@lists.torproject.org To unsubscribe or change other settings go to https://lists.torproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/tor-talk
Re: [tor-talk] Tor ban discussion at Russian state Duma
On Wed, Jun 28, 2017 at 01:04:43AM +, CANNON wrote: > Would this apply to only nodes operating in that region or would it > make Tor users criminals if they get caught using Tor? I'm not a lawyer, my understanding of the bill may be wrong. It does not criminalize usage of network censorship circumvention methods for citizens. Operators of any nodes (Bridges, Relays, Exits) reachable from Russia are subject for the bill, but I see no penalties for non-complying operators besides network ban of corresponding nodes. On the other hand, the bill is quite vague, so I consider that "operator" may as broad as Google Play, Apple Store, every Linux distro mirror and software downloads website because of distributing censorship circumvention tools. -- WBRBW, Leonid Evdokimov, xmpp:l...@darkk.net.ru http://darkk.net.ru tel:+79816800702 PGP: 6691 DE6B 4CCD C1C1 76A0 0D4A E1F2 A980 7F50 FAB2 -- tor-talk mailing list - tor-talk@lists.torproject.org To unsubscribe or change other settings go to https://lists.torproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/tor-talk
[tor-talk] Tor ban discussion at Russian state Duma
lls on messengers discussed and there was a open-letter fighting between Durov from Telegram (that may be banned in Russia this week), Zharov from Roskomnadzor, with comments from Bortnikov from FSB and aforementioned Levin, but that was too much legalese for me and it's not that much relevant to tor-talk@ ML, so I'm putting that part aside :) [WAT] https://rg.ru/2017/06/22/v-gosdume-nazvali-blokirovku-google-predosterezheniem.html [WAT] http://komitet5.km.duma.gov.ru/Novosti-Komiteta/item/551685/ [WAT] https://archive.li/VxkwR & https://archive.li/MZ1Hu [TORZ] https://youtu.be/a9ZJq4bIiHE?t=1m55s Dear reader! Thank you for your time reading this! Sincerely yours, Acting Gonzo[*] Developer. [*] http://darkk.net.ru/garbage/2017.06-Tor-VPN-and-Duma/Levin-anonymisers-3785.jpg -- WBRBW, Leonid Evdokimov, xmpp:l...@darkk.net.ru http://darkk.net.ru tel:+79816800702 PGP: 6691 DE6B 4CCD C1C1 76A0 0D4A E1F2 A980 7F50 FAB2 P.S.: And I'm sorry for links mostly in Russian. -- tor-talk mailing list - tor-talk@lists.torproject.org To unsubscribe or change other settings go to https://lists.torproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/tor-talk
