Re: [tor-talk] GEOIP's
Karsten Loesing: > On 05/09/14 19:00, Mike Fikuart wrote: >> Hi Group, >> >> I am looking into the various files used by the OR’s and OP’s and >> would like to know more about the GEOIP file and use. [snip] > You can find the current geoip file here: > > https://gitweb.torproject.org/tor.git/blob/HEAD:/src/config/geoip [snip] Are geoip and geoip6 updated in the background or should bridge operators fetch updates periodically? Does the difference between the Jul 14 2014 update (2,231 KB, currently in my bridge data folder) and the current (Aug 7 2014, 2,290 KB) update warrant replacing the older file? - eliaz -- tor-talk mailing list - tor-talk@lists.torproject.org To unsubscribe or change other settings go to https://lists.torproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/tor-talk
[tor-talk] DB fix
I've been testing out various tor browser & bridge configurations and have been hampered by the bridge DB being down the last bunch of days. I see it's up again: Thanks, whoever did that work! - eliaz -- tor-talk mailing list - tor-talk@lists.torproject.org To unsubscribe or change other settings go to https://lists.torproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/tor-talk
[tor-talk] Assange and Ghomeshi on Google
I found this quite interesting. It's only ignorance of alternatives that keep people tied to google. cbc.ca/news/world/wikileaks-founder-julian-assange-tackles-google-dispels-health-rumours-1.2779189 orbooks.com points to lots of other reaction to the publication. - eliaz -- tor-talk mailing list - tor-talk@lists.torproject.org To unsubscribe or change other settings go to https://lists.torproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/tor-talk
[tor-talk] obfsproxy and windows
Though AFAICT my bridge is configured correctly, it appears to carry very little traffic. This has raised a number of questions regarding the use of vanilla and obfuscated clients & bridges in windows. I run a bridge on Win 7, with Tor 0.2.4.24 (git-a8a38e5dd1fbb67a) in its own folder, with standalone Vidalia running off a USB stick. I have the same setup for a Tor client on a different machine on the same LAN. I configure the client as obfsproxy-capable or plain as a way to teach myself about obfuscated clients. Once the Tor circuits come up, I open torbirdied thunderbird for e-mail. The Client: I've been surprised to see that messages under obfsproxy generally go about as fast as plain ones. Are there enough obfsproxy servers that my mail isn't slowing things down for people who really need obfuscation? I guess another way of asking this would be, Is Tor obfuscation now robust enough so that everyone may as well use it? If the client is configured to be obfsproxy-capable, can it still avail itself of vanilla bridges? The Bridge: I'm currently running it as what I take to be obfsproxy-aware. That is, after rummaging around the sparse windows documentation, I've written "ClientTransportPlugin obfs2,obfs3 exec Tor\PluggableTransports\obfsproxy managed" into the torrc. AFAIK this is all one must do to change a vanilla bridge into an obfsproxy-aware one. Is that correct? Will the obfsproxy-aware bridge also accept traffic from non-obfuscated clients? In other words, does it make sense to write something like Bridge obfs3 w.x.y.z:80 ... Bridge a.b.c.d:443 ... into torrc of obfsproxy-configured clients? I realize one wouldn't ordinarily want to do this; one either needs obfuscation or one does not. I ask the question because I'm trying to understand how obfuscation works. I would've tried setting up such a client myself, except that I've lost access to the remote-ISP client that I had used to test such ideas. These days I'm lucky if "Who has used my bridge?" shows one or two 1-8 entries once every two weeks or so. Looking at Globe/Onionoo and the relay DBs, I see that though the bridge's advertized BW runs between 20 and 40 kB/s, the actually used mean written/mean read traffic is in the 100s/10s-Byte range. for either my vanilla or obfsproxy-aware configurations. Does this simply mean that there are enough bridges so that any particular one isn't called on too often? That is, is the behavior I'm seeing typical? Or am I doing some thing(s) wrong? I'd be much obliged for any feedback. - eliaz -- tor-talk mailing list - tor-talk@lists.torproject.org To unsubscribe or change other settings go to https://lists.torproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/tor-talk
Re: [tor-talk] Darknets/science vs. GPA/LEA/Law, and playing dirty pool
> On 11/8/2014 1:43:29 PM, Sam Pizzey (s...@pizzey.me) wrote: > > On 08/11/2014 16:14, l.m wrote: > > How's the presence of a > > darknet running on Tor hidden services supposed to make me feel > > anyway? That's your freedom being used to poison kids and evade > > punishment. > > > On the contrary, it makes me feel that my freedom is being used to > provide an environment where some of the damage done by people with your > misguided viewpoint can be mitigated. I can appreciate both views, but I wonder if it helps our understanding of the problem to glom onto only one of these opposites. On the one hand participating in Tor gives anonymity/freedom to people (many, I hope) who use it for communal/good ends. But it also allows a few (I hope) people to abuse it. Tor's a carrier, it's not its place to censor/judge traffic. That's a is a function of the cops/courts and of society at large. If by some horrible chance Tor had an internal monitoring function, I don't know that I'd opt into judging any HS or user - I'd probably end up obsessing over each individual case. I'd much rather spend my time helping to make Tor more anonymous and free, leaving it to the cops to chase those they think are miscreants. Of course I also have to fight against the illegitimate use of police/state power. Such is life. Just MO. - eliaz -- tor-talk mailing list - tor-talk@lists.torproject.org To unsubscribe or change other settings go to https://lists.torproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/tor-talk
[tor-talk] documentation for Windows users
I began using Tor a couple of years ago, not so much because I needed a secure client as because I wanted to help the network by running a bridge. At the time I jumped in I was running Windows. I'm still running Tor on that OS. It was very easy to set up a bridge. However it was a long struggle to understand how the bridge was supposed to be working and how I might track its behavior. Vidalia is no longer integrated into the browser, and portable transports & different tracking mechanisms have come in. I think my difficulties arose mostly because (1) the documentation is oriented toward linux users, and (2) some of the documentation hasn't yet caught up with the improvements and elaborations. For a while I've been wanting to review the documentation and propose some changes. I have a day job, and though the documentation has been nagging at me I'm not sure when I'll be able to get to it. But the first thing would be to ascertain whether there are enough Windows client/bridge users to make the project worthwhile. So I'm here are asking for any of the following stats: 1. What percentage of Tor users are running it on Windows? 2. What percentage of the Windows users run a client only? 3. What percentage run solely or mostly a bridge or bridges? (That is, in 2 & 3 I'm trying to get a sense of the overlap of Windows clients and bridges, which would influence any documentation I might come up with.) Thanks for any help and comments - eliaz -- tor-talk mailing list - tor-talk@lists.torproject.org To unsubscribe or change other settings go to https://lists.torproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/tor-talk
[tor-talk] torifying TB
Following the instructions in the "Configure Thunderbird to work through Tor" help file. I've successfully set up tormail in Thunderbird. However, I don't know what the "No Proxy for" field on the TB Network & Disk Space > Settings tab is supposed to mean. Whether I leave "Localhost, 127.0.0.1" (as shown in the screen grab in the help file) or delete it altogether, the configured mail seems to work as well. Can some one fill me in on this? Is the field irrelevant to the manual proxy configuration? Apologies for a newbie question, & thanks eli ___ tor-talk mailing list tor-talk@lists.torproject.org https://lists.torproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/tor-talk
Re: [tor-talk] torifying TB
Yah - When I reload tormail, I get a complaint that Network & Disk Space is misconfigured until I put "localhost,127,0.0.1" back in the "No Proxy for" field. Of course: "localhost,127,0.0.1" was still in memory until I reloaded. The name of that field could've been clearer, after all the point of manual config. is to set up new http & ssl proxies. Anyway, I know how to set it up to work, if not quite why. ___ tor-talk mailing list tor-talk@lists.torproject.org https://lists.torproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/tor-talk
[tor-talk] keyserver not responding
Sometimes when I try to import a key as per the TBB download instructions the process works fine; but at other times the transaction goes as follows: C:\"Program Files (x86)"\Gnu\GnuPg\gpg2.exe --keyserver x-hkp://pool.sks-keyservers.net --recv-keys 0x63FEE659 gpg: requesting key 63FEE659 from hkp server pool.sks-keyservers.net gpg: no valid OpenPGP data found. gpg: Total number processed: 0 I'm doing this from an elevated Vista 64 prompt. I've tried unloading the associated certificate from Kleopatra, and also cold-booted my machine, to no avail. After backing up to a previous restore point (done for other reasons), the import works fine, but only the first time. I've not found the string 63FEE659 in the OS registry. Can anyone tell me what I'm doing wrong, and how I can clean up what's blocking the import? Thanks, eli ___ tor-talk mailing list tor-talk@lists.torproject.org https://lists.torproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/tor-talk
Re: [tor-talk] keyserver not responding
This is interesting, maybe. I found that I can get to sks-keyservers.net over Tor or from my SSH shell account, but not over untorified firefox. Once there I searched for the sig. in question & C&P'd this into an asc file & imported to Kleopatra. Then I could verify the fingerprint & authenticate the browser bundle. I'm still mystified why I can't rouse the keyserver from a command prompt, but will let that problem go for now. - eli ___ tor-talk mailing list tor-talk@lists.torproject.org https://lists.torproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/tor-talk
[tor-talk] where did Aurora go?
Upon the last TBB update, Aurora 9 was replaced by FFox 10, the same FFox that I use for my clear browsing. Both have the same icon, which makes it a bother to be sure I'm in the correct browser (while I'm still running Vidalia from the same HD as I run the regular FFox). Things would be a little easier to have a different icon for the TBB implementation of the browser. Can that be done? - eliaz ___ tor-talk mailing list tor-talk@lists.torproject.org https://lists.torproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/tor-talk
Re: [tor-talk] where did Aurora go
On Fri Feb 10 21:05:59 UTC 2012 Sebastian Hahn wrote: > On Feb 10, 2012, at 9:47 PM, eliaz wrote: > > Upon the last TBB update, Aurora 9 was replaced by FFox 10, the same > > FFox that I use for my clear browsing. Both have the same icon, > > which makes it a bother to be sure I'm in the correct browser > >(while I'm still running Vidalia from the same HD as I run the > >regular FFox). Things would be a little easier to have a different > >icon for the TBB implementation of the browser. Can that be done? - > >eliaz > > That's a bug that we're attempting to fix soon. Ok, thanks. For now if I leave the tor check tab up I can easily keep track of which browser I'm in. ___ tor-talk mailing list tor-talk@lists.torproject.org https://lists.torproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/tor-talk
[tor-talk] bridge up & down times
I have a few novice questions about a normal bridge I've set up. I've not found answers in the documentation. * Opposite the one country that's so far listed in the usage summary, the #Client column shows "1-8". What does this mean exactly? 1 client? eight? 1 client eight times? * When I do have to shut down my machine or stop Tor I'd like to do it when no clients are using the bridge. The bandwidth graph spikes every few minutes, hard to predict from it when there might be no traffic. Is there an app from which over time I could get an idea of when it's least disruptive to stop Tor? Can't use Arm; I'm running on windows. I can log onto shell accounts via ssh in PuTTY/pageant, if that's any help. Thanks ___ tor-talk mailing list tor-talk@lists.torproject.org https://lists.torproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/tor-talk
Re: [tor-talk] bridge up & down times
On Feb 12, 2012, at 11:38 PM, eliaz wrote: > * When I do have to shut down my machine or stop Tor I'd like to do it > when no clients are using the bridge. > Is there an app from which over time I could get an idea of when it's > least disruptive to stop Tor? You can set the ShutdownWaitLength tor configuration option to something very high, like half an hour or so. That means Tor will continue servicing ongoing connections, but not accept new ones. Once there are no more ongoing connections or 30 minutes are up, Tor will exit. Cool, thanks. What's the unit for ShutdownWaitLength? (seconds, ms, ...?) ___ tor-talk mailing list tor-talk@lists.torproject.org https://lists.torproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/tor-talk
Re: [tor-talk] bridge up & down times
Yup, thanks. I've finally found my way to the Tor manual, so maybe will not have to ask so many dumb questions. On 2/13/2012 1:59 PM, Sebastian G. wrote: > eliaz, 13.02.2012 15:17: >> Cool, thanks. What's the unit for ShutdownWaitLength? (seconds, ms, ...?) > > It's seconds. > > Regards, > bastik_tor > ___ > tor-talk mailing list > tor-talk@lists.torproject.org > https://lists.torproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/tor-talk > ___ tor-talk mailing list tor-talk@lists.torproject.org https://lists.torproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/tor-talk
[tor-talk] shutdown latencies
I'm currently maintaining a (normal) bridge from a machine running Vista. I've set ShutdownWaitLength to 30 minutes in torrc. When for some reason I have to press "Stop Tor" and get the message "Would you like to shut down gracefully and give clients time to find a new relay?" along with the red onion icon, what exactly does this mean? The icon seems to sit there forever, and I'm loath to evoke Stop Tor again if it means killing the connection in the middle of someone's conversation. So I'm asking, When the red onion is up does it mean that people are actually still using my bridge, or that Vidalia's just waiting for the shutdown timeout to run its course? I suppose I can figure this out by some experimentation. But I'd rather not muck about locally to get a mental picture of what's going on in the network while someone out there is in the middle of using it. ___ tor-talk mailing list tor-talk@lists.torproject.org https://lists.torproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/tor-talk
Re: [tor-talk] shutdown latencies
Thanks, this gives me someplace to start. On 2/15/2012 1:52 PM, Justin Aplin wrote: > On Feb 15, 2012, at 12:48 PM, eliaz wrote: >> I've set ShutdownWaitLength to 30 minutes in torrc. > > If this is actually set to 30 minutes, and not 30 seconds, I believe > that's your problem I do other things besides maintain a bridge on this machine; I've set a half-hr timeout so that I can shut down when necessary & then restart before the bridge goes down. I thought this would make it easier on the network & the people using the bridge. >> When for some reason I have to press "Stop Tor" and get the message >> "Would you like to shut down gracefully and give clients time to find a >> new relay?" along with the red onion icon, what exactly does >> this mean? > > It signals your node to stop accepting new connections, and not > renew existing ones when they end. This allows those clients who were > connected through your node to smoothly transition to a new node without > interruption. At the end of the ShutdownWaitLength timeout, all > connections are killed regardless, and the node shuts down. I think I understand you to mean that the clients (nodes) are talking code to each other, and the actual users don't even notice that the bridge is gone & they're on a new path. Is this correct? >> The icon seems to sit there forever I exaggerated; I guess I've been too busy (aka too damned impatient) to wait more than 30 minutes... Thanks again - eliaz ___ tor-talk mailing list tor-talk@lists.torproject.org https://lists.torproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/tor-talk
Re: [tor-talk] What is the new signature of new TBB?
I just went through this. You have to import Erin's key into your certificate handler (Kleopatra or whatever), and then verify the browser .gz.asc file against that. HTH eliaz On 2/20/2012 11:55 AM, James Brown wrote: > Hello, friends! > > I have got a new TBB file > tor-browser-gnu-linux-x86_64-2.2.35-7.2-dev-en-US.tar.gz for the site of > the Torproject and have tried to verify it. > I have had the next result: > $ gpg --verify > tor-browser-gnu-linux-x86_64-2.2.35-7.2-dev-en-US.tar.gz.asc > tor-browser-gnu-linux-x86_64-2.2.35-7.2-dev-en-US.tar.gz > gpg: Signature made Mon Feb 20 12:45:15 2012 UTC using RSA key ID 140C961B > gpg: Can't check signature: public key not found > > As I can the the previous version was signed by Erinn Clark: > gpg --verify tor-browser-gnu-linux-x86_64-2.2.35-7-dev-en-US.tar.gz.asc > tor-browser-gnu-linux-x86_64-2.2.35-7-dev-en-US.tar.gz > gpg: Signature made Sat Feb 18 19:53:24 2012 UTC using RSA key ID 63FEE659 > gpg: Good signature from "Erinn Clark " > gpg: aka "Erinn Clark " > gpg: aka "Erinn Clark " > > > Is the sign of tor-browser-gnu-linux-x86_64-2.2.35-7.2-dev-en-US.tar.gz > right sing? > ___ > tor-talk mailing list > tor-talk@lists.torproject.org > https://lists.torproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/tor-talk > ___ tor-talk mailing list tor-talk@lists.torproject.org https://lists.torproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/tor-talk
Re: [tor-talk] Let's make Onion Addresses Meaningful To Humans
Why not just collect onion addresses in an encrypted file? ... On 2/24/2012 5:36 AM, Ahmed Hassan wrote: > Hello Folks, > > I have a cool idea to make onion addresses memorable. That will have no > effect on its authenticity and security. [snip] ___ tor-talk mailing list tor-talk@lists.torproject.org https://lists.torproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/tor-talk
[tor-talk] log notice & warn
[TBB -7.1 on Vista x64] When I overwrite log notice in torrc to warn, I get only info lines, no others. My reading of the manual is that with log warn I should get only warn & err lines. Am I missing something or is this a bug? ___ tor-talk mailing list tor-talk@lists.torproject.org https://lists.torproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/tor-talk
Re: [tor-talk] Let's make Onion Addresses Meaningful To Humans
Where all the other sensitive files are, and updated as needed. I'm do see how the dictionary scheme might be helpful in some instances, though for some users it might be another complication. But I'm no expert in these matters, just a user. On 2/25/2012 4:12 AM, Ahmed Hassan wrote: > and store that file where? > How that encrypted file will be updated? > > On Sat, 2012-02-25 at 04:09 -0500, eliaz wrote: >> Why not just collect onion addresses in an encrypted file? ... >> >> On 2/24/2012 5:36 AM, Ahmed Hassan wrote: >>> Hello Folks, >>> >>> I have a cool idea to make onion addresses memorable. That will have no >>> effect on its authenticity and security. >> [snip] >> ___ >> tor-talk mailing list >> tor-talk@lists.torproject.org >> https://lists.torproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/tor-talk > > > ___ > tor-talk mailing list > tor-talk@lists.torproject.org > https://lists.torproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/tor-talk > ___ tor-talk mailing list tor-talk@lists.torproject.org https://lists.torproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/tor-talk
Re: [tor-talk] log notice & warn
Thanks. I've found my way, & asked the question there as you suggest. On 2/25/2012 6:38 AM, Robert Ransom wrote: > Please open a Trac ticket. > > On 2012-02-25, eliaz wrote: >> [TBB -7.1 on Vista x64] When I overwrite log notice in torrc to warn, I >> get only info lines, no others. My reading of the manual is that with >> log warn I should get only warn & err lines. Am I missing something or >> is this a bug? >> ___ >> tor-talk mailing list >> tor-talk@lists.torproject.org >> https://lists.torproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/tor-talk >> > ___ > tor-talk mailing list > tor-talk@lists.torproject.org > https://lists.torproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/tor-talk > ___ tor-talk mailing list tor-talk@lists.torproject.org https://lists.torproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/tor-talk
[tor-talk] ? A1
Besides the usual countries, my Bridge Usage Summary now shows "A1" with
no flag ("?" in the leftmost column). What does A1 mean?
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[tor-talk] node depictions in network map
I've recently started seeing pairs of in-country nodes in the network map. I recall reading that that for security reasons only one node in each country would be indicated, except when a circuit (node1 country A) -> (country B) -> (node 2 country A) was being depicted. Do the depictions of wholly in-country circuits (node1 country A) -> (node 2 country A) indicate a problem? I believe I've started seeing these after starting to run a (normal) bridge. - eliaz -- gpg ID: C3E1E38D ___ tor-talk mailing list tor-talk@lists.torproject.org https://lists.torproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/tor-talk
[tor-talk] number of relays by country?
Partly as a way of learning more about my normal bridge works I'm thinking of asking a friend of mine in a far country to set up a tor client. There are no relays in his country as far as I can tell from the Network Map & listing, since I can't arrange the listing completely alphabetically by clicking on the flag column & I'm going blind scrolling thru it. Is there somewhere a list of the number of relays by country? Also, I suppose I should warn my friend not to set up his client as an exit node if it's to be the only one in his country. But would he be less than normally anonymous (that is, subject to discovery at other than entry & exit nodes) just by connecting via my bridge? I hope these questions make sense. - eliaz -- gpg ID: C3E1E38D ___ tor-talk mailing list tor-talk@lists.torproject.org https://lists.torproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/tor-talk
[tor-talk] Best practice yet again
So my bridge relay has been running fine in the weeks since I set it up, the usage summary is showing up to eight or nine different countries, no trouble is showing up in the logs. Memory usage seems a little high running on Vista_ x64 but I can live with it. I still have a little concern that some bad actors are walking across the bridge, but I guess there's nothing to do about that. The problem is that I'm doing everything on one machine and have to stop Tor for 20 minutes or an hour every four days or so to do some housekeeping, and I'm not sure if the disruption that may be causing warrants my putting in a dedicated machine. I've written ShutdownWaitLength 40 into torrc; since I mostly run the bridge but don't log onto the network much myself, I've also set KeepalivePeriod 7200 (2 hours). Are there are other torrc options that will help mitigate the effect of the shutdowns? I also reboot my gateway (the router/modem firewall) once every day or two and I don't know how disruptive the resulting change in bridge address is. Any advice as to best practice would be appreciated. - eliaz -- gpg: 0xC3E1E38D ___ tor-talk mailing list tor-talk@lists.torproject.org https://lists.torproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/tor-talk
Re: [tor-talk] A "paranoid" question
On Mar 16, 2012, at 11:42 PM, Raynald wrote: [snip] > Well, one good way would be to run a fast relay yourself, have it join > the network, and see if it gets advertised as a fast relay. What's a"fast" relay? Does "fast" have anything to do with bridges? - eliaz -- gpg ID: C3E1E38D ___ tor-talk mailing list tor-talk@lists.torproject.org https://lists.torproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/tor-talk
[tor-talk] high memory usage
The only problem I have with the bridge I'm running is that for some reason the memory used keeps climbing up, so that after three or four days I have to reboot the machine. AFAICT rebooting doesn't affect the bridge's usefulness much, but I can't do much else when the mem use reaches 2.9 G. I recall seeing some discussion of this way back in tor-talk, but can't find it. Can someone point me to it? [Running on Vistax64 2.5 GHz dual core cpu, 4 G RAM] Thanks - eliaz -- gpg ID: C3E1E38D ___ tor-talk mailing list tor-talk@lists.torproject.org https://lists.torproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/tor-talk
Re: [tor-talk] high memory usage
Is it possible that someone using my bridge dropped something into my system? Thanks Jude. I don't think anonymity has been compromised, while running the bridge I haven't used the client, being busy with other things. I haven't had time yet for *nix. I've run VirtualBox for a couple of years. (For the devil of it I've run Vidalia successfully in Win2K in the VM, and also off a flash drive, but don't have any reason to think those two ways would be any more secure than running off the Vista host machine.) Thanks too for Jon's & Robert Ransom's replies. I was running no extra apps when this problem started. I'm using TBB 2.2.35-7.1, it's clean. Looking at processes, I see way too many new svchosts. I'm running tasklists in a batch file for the next few days to see what the svchosts are carrying & what changes as the memory use rises. So far no malware reported by AVG, I'll run a full system scan tonight. After that I'll recheck my local & modem/router ports. The bridge has been carrying traffic from up to 14 countries according to the bandwidth usage, sometimes it's quite heavy. AFAICT the message log doesn't show anything amiss. - eliaz | gpg ID: C3E1E38D On 3/19/2012 12:40 AM, Jude Young wrote: > On 03/18/2012 12:35 AM, eliaz wrote: >> The only problem I have with the bridge I'm running is that for some >> reason the memory used keeps climbing up, so that after three or four >> days I have to reboot the machine. AFAICT rebooting doesn't affect the >> bridge's usefulness much[snip][Running on Vistax64 2.5 GHz dual core >> cpu, 4 G RAM] Thanks - eliaz > > Weell, there's your problem. > Your using windows. > > That right there is enough to kill any anonymity even if your using Tor. > Personally I have seen Windows machines become infected when: > It wasn't being used except once a week, > The user was one who had a reasonable knowledge of security (Me) > Anti-Virus (actually did not detect it..) > Incoming connections where heavily blocked (related,established) > > > You have plenty of RAM, run a virtual machine (virtualbox works great) > install debian on it (my personal choice) no gui. > give it 256MB of ram, no swap. (that's a LOT for this setup...swap off > so that instead of freezing it just kills the process) > run Tor inside the VM. > > Voila, ram usage will now NEVER exceed the size of the VM, and it's > relatively easy to set up. > CPU usage for the VM will also be really low. ___ tor-talk mailing list tor-talk@lists.torproject.org https://lists.torproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/tor-talk
Re: [tor-talk] Where to advertise bridges?
On 3/18/2012 11:45 PM, bordergu...@riseup.net wrote: > Where are some good places to advertise tor bridges? I'm also interested in the question. It might better be phrased "How do we inform people of our bridges who can use them?" If the following is off the wall I'll be glad to be corrected. I hang out in emigre & exile communities; sometimes I'll invite myself to a meeting of a group I know nothing about except that comms to the home country has been blocked. Most of the people I meet have other things on their minds besides installing & managing Vidalia, or the knowledge & equipment to do so. I don't feel confident myself to engage in training. But I wear a tee with the Tor onion in the expectation that if someone recognizes it, he or she will remark on it, and then I can offer the existence of the bridge. I do the same thing when I meet with peace-activist or humanitarian-aid groups. so far I haven't had any takers, but this seems like a simple way of spreading the word to those who can use it.- eliaz -- gpg ID: C3E1E38D ___ tor-talk mailing list tor-talk@lists.torproject.org https://lists.torproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/tor-talk
Re: [tor-talk] What happened to the list of active nodes?
I also get errors at the Atlas. Wen entering my bridge's IP address or anything else I get: Backend error! The backend server replied with an error to your query. This probably means that you did not properly format your query. Or that you just are trying to fuzz my web app hoping to pwn me. Good luck! ;) On 3/21/2012 11:33 AM, Karsten Loesing wrote: > On 3/21/12 4:04 PM, David Carlson wrote: >> Last night I tried to find the list of active nodes and it was gone. >> There was link to something called atlas, but it simply had a box marked >> search. I tried to enter the name of my relay and I got an error. > > What error did you get? > >> What about all the nodes that do not have names? > > Atlas allows you to search by nickname, fingerprint, or IP address. > > Best, > Karsten > ___ > tor-talk mailing list > tor-talk@lists.torproject.org > https://lists.torproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/tor-talk > -- gpg ID: C3E1E38D ___ tor-talk mailing list tor-talk@lists.torproject.org https://lists.torproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/tor-talk
[tor-talk] testing, please ignore
This is just a test; please ignore it. Since I changed my tormail address from .net to .org & resubscribed to tor-talk from the new address I'm not getting tor-talk mail in my TBird client. ___ tor-talk mailing list tor-talk@lists.torproject.org https://lists.torproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/tor-talk
Re: [tor-talk] testing, please ignore
On 4/21/2012 3:55 PM, eliaz wrote: > This is just a test; please ignore it. Since I changed my tormail > address from .net to .org & resubscribed to tor-talk from the new > address I'm not getting tor-talk mail in my TBird client. Joe Btfsplk wrote >>>Make sure it's not getting filtered as spam by your ISP. That happened to me. I just added Tor-talk to my address book.<<< Thanks, but that wasn't the problem here. In any case, earlier today I sent a query to the tormail admins, and now the mail is coming through. I guess the admins fixed something... - eli -- gpg ID: 0xC3E1E38D ___ tor-talk mailing list tor-talk@lists.torproject.org https://lists.torproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/tor-talk
[tor-talk] No Browser, ContactInfo rewrites?
[TBB 2.2.35-8 running on Vistax64, with bridge enabled] So, earlier I noticed a lot of continuous traffic in the Bandwidth Graph, and ContactInfo in torrc being rewritten periodically: "ContactInfo gpg 0x" going to variations of ContactInfo "\"\\\"\\\" gpg 0x\\\"\"" The other thing that's happened is that the browser has disappeared, but vidalia is still running, and the Message Log shows nothing amiss. All this during the last 8 hrs or so when the only country reported in the Bridge Usage Summary was China. (Which I'm suspicious of; usually over 8 hrs a lot of countries show up in the summary.) I didn't see any new processes running; cpu load was normal. netstat and the security log of my browser/router don't show any alarms, not that I'm very good at recognizing problems there. A partial scan of my machine (haven't had time to run a full) shows nothing. Unless I'm misreading a coincidence, I finally stopped the rewriting of torrc and the high BW use by rebooting the modem gateway, but the browser is still gone. I'm going to restart Tor; in the meanwhile, has anyone seen this sort of disappearance of the browser in TBB? Does the rewriting of ContactInfo indicate intrusion, or just some screw-up of my own doing? - eliaz gpg: 0xE498E90D ___ tor-talk mailing list tor-talk@lists.torproject.org https://lists.torproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/tor-talk
[tor-talk] how bridges work
Of what use is a bridge working off an IP address of a provider located in, say, the US, to a client in, say, Syria? Sorry for the elementary question. - eli -- gpg: 0xE498E90D ___ tor-talk mailing list tor-talk@lists.torproject.org https://lists.torproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/tor-talk
Re: [tor-talk] how bridges work
On 5/7/2012 2:20 AM, Roger Dingledine wrote: > On Sun, May 06, 2012 at 05:07:26AM -0400, eliaz wrote: >> Of what use is a bridge working off an IP address of a provider located >> in, say, the US, to a client in, say, Syria? Sorry for the elementary >> question. - eli > > The client in Syria can connect through the bridge in the US to reach > the Tor network. Simplifying a bit, the bridge provides the reachability, > and the Tor network provides the anonymity. > > See also https://www.torproject.org/docs/bridges Thanks for the reassurance about the process. While I accept the free-speech basis of Tor (that "bad" as well as "good" guys can use it) and the assumption that the network is overall doing more good than bad, I've been concerned at the high usage that my bridge seems to be getting from Syria (& China) when, as you say, at least for Syria it's not necessary to hop all the way to the US to reach an entry node. Maybe I worry too much, since it's neither here nor there to digital comms how geographically far away an entry node is from a client machine. -- gpg: 0xE498E90D ___ tor-talk mailing list tor-talk@lists.torproject.org https://lists.torproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/tor-talk
Re: [tor-talk] how bridges work
On 5/8/2012 11:40 AM, Xinwen Fu wrote: > This paper may help http://www.cs.uml.edu/~xinwenfu/paper/Bridge.pdf. Thanks for the analysis, it's very useful. It raises some questions that the programmers may want to shed light on. Based upon my reading of the report, bridge usage greater than the norm can be due to bridge-harvesting as well as to an increase in legitimate traffic. Since the Bridge Usage Summary isn't in real time, there's no point in my changing the bridge address (rebooting gateway) when I see a bump in the Summary. But if I ran a dummy client on a different machine, would I be able to identify harvesters from the message logs? And would it be useful to then reassign the bridge address? The other thing and get from the report is that while the harvesters can identify bridges, they can't uncover the identity the clients using those bridges. Assuming that the routing algorithm keeps clients attached to bridges during a IP address change (that is, if it connects clients to bridge names rather than IP addresses), wouldn't it be useful for me to reassign my bridge address randomly, without trying to synchronize with the harvesters? - eli ___ tor-talk mailing list tor-talk@lists.torproject.org https://lists.torproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/tor-talk
[tor-talk] apparent error in TBB 2.2..38-2
Since loading TBB ver. 2.2.38-2, I notice that when I open & then try to close torrc in Vidalia I get an 'Error at line one: "" ' message. This only happens when I attempt to close the editing window by clicking on OK; when I click on the upper right 'x' the editing window closes as it should. The contents of the bridge torrc are exactly the same as when I ran the bridge in previous versions of the TBB and previous configurations of my machine. The bundle runs fine as a client, but I still get the annoying error msg when inspecting torrc. I've downloaded, verified, and run the setup program twice. Running on Vista x64. Can anyone give advice on how to deal with this error? - eliaz ___ tor-talk mailing list tor-talk@lists.torproject.org https://lists.torproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/tor-talk
Re: [tor-talk] apparent error in TBB 2.2..38-2
Thanks, Sebastian. Yes, editing the comment lines out in notepad eliminates the error msg. Should have thought to try that myself. - eliaz On 9/12/2012 1:41 PM, Sebastian G. wrote: > eliaz: >> Since loading TBB ver. 2.2.38-2, I notice that when I open & then try to >> close torrc in Vidalia I get an 'Error at line one: "" ' message. This >> only happens when I attempt to close the editing window by clicking on >> OK; when I click on the upper right 'x' the editing window closes as it >> should. The contents of the bridge torrc are exactly the same as when I >> ran the bridge in previous versions of the TBB and previous >> configurations of my machine. The bundle runs fine as a client, but I >> still get the annoying error msg when inspecting torrc. I've downloaded, >> verified, and run the setup program twice. Running on Vista x64. Can >> anyone give advice on how to deal with this error? - eliaz > > Hi, > > please see bug 6147 > > https://trac.torproject.org/projects/tor/ticket/6147 > > You still can edit the torrc manually (with notepad/editor). > > You can remove all comment lines from (lines starting with #) the torrc > to save it from within Vidalia. > > There's a patch already. With status "needs-review". I'm not able to > understand it nor am I in the position to update/change the status even > if I would be able to review the patch. > > I assume waiting for > a) patch getting reviewed (or knowing some who does that) > b) getting merged into Vidalia (hopefully 0.2.19) > c) bundles get updated and include the patched Vidalia > is the only way to deal with it. > > Regards, > bastik.tor > > ___ > tor-talk mailing list > tor-talk@lists.torproject.org > https://lists.torproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/tor-talk > -- gpg: 0x3E346824 ___ tor-talk mailing list tor-talk@lists.torproject.org https://lists.torproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/tor-talk
[tor-talk] Legitimate list?
I hope tor-talk is an appropriate place to post this query. I've been invited to a mailing list that is purportedly for bridge runners. The introduction to the list states: >>> This list will be devoted to providing TOR bridges to help people in censored areas reach the free internet. Subscribers to this list can submit ip addresses and once a week, a limited list of bridges will be released to subscribers to help people (such as Syrians, Chinese, Iranian etc reach for these bridges to access the internet. <<< I know and trust the folks who administer the list server software, but have no idea who is managing the particular mailing list. I've posted a query to the list requesting some sort of authentication, but so far have received no reply. Should I trust this list with my bridge details? Can anyone suggest a method of authentication, other than a facemeet, that I can suggest on the list? Finally, if anyone here recognizes the list I'm talking about, please post your experiences. Thanks, eliaz pgp: E498E90D -BEGIN PGP PUBLIC KEY BLOCK- Version: GnuPG v2.0.17 (MingW32) mM0ET5M56AEGANxoWJQ6us5VYxRr1nB4e0lc0TubhaLdmfNjq4YPd/MOQqpFGSvI HogoqzylIWgulY8wg8J5I0+LuM5fLorpfnCB5Q8G8rTGoNnwplCNfBGMLaTL7jtc LpFrIXmu8FOYZ0QB7WzWa5//tv/BB7hVVg2/vFQC890UWHQsPn5ksjkpBDe1uN2k ngiv6msDoZJe+TCFfTuMVQLRKnL4b31l7pTobFjWXc0HI6bj4FthZkEv6iwM/Nqn c4OWoEIsGGObGwARAQABtDllbGlheiAoQWZ0ZXIgY2hhbmdlIGZyb20sIG5ldCB0 byBvcmcpIDxlbGlhekB0b3JtYWlsLm9yZz6I+AQTAQIAIgUCT5M56AIbLwYLCQgH AwIGFQgCCQoLBBYCAwECHgECF4AACgkQFr+zfeSY6Q3BDAX7BbwXPjwH/YEWfmHG i4zjVcWlMDnAkj26ceqSzwOhYXE7PzY761AWMNFbrK2cie1lV4tPouW0d3KIB3Jw E9XY6I9FyOVY/00SE0ioZbpMcH66Ncyu/4mlVnGDSTqK/DiWJUVoqu2iB1YA+nLY NIojr86BNGiXjhPL5WuVgO212hkpHF1XKoE4fZfdKCwyRePRwK4VBTyDTJK1PIs/ qKWaFFzqYWRRAdr8RN3n6oW81JxCXTxjOMm0uXJBh3aSYOaV =n4/m -END PGP PUBLIC KEY BLOCK- ___ tor-talk mailing list tor-talk@lists.torproject.org https://lists.torproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/tor-talk
Re: [tor-talk] Legitimate list?
Runa A. Sandvik: > This list is not run by anyone at the Tor Project. SiNA Rabbani > Can you post the invitation email with full headers? Thanks, it's helpful to know they're not of the Tor Project. Still, they may be people like me, interested in distributing our bridge addressess safely to those who can use them well. The admins at the host have high standards of safety and use for good purposes (or at least purposes that I can agree with). But AFAICT the admins pretty much let anyone set up a list without supplying bona fides (whatever they're worth, on the internet) in advance. I intend to get back to the admins with this question about the list. But before I get ahead of myself & aggravate them, I'd like to be a little more confident that this may be a real problem rather than my overactive imagination. I'll be glad to send Runa the hdr info by PM as SiNA suggests. Let me know if that will be a help. - eliaz thread: On Wed, Oct 10, 2012 at 5:48 AM, eliaz wrote: I hope tor-talk is an appropriate place to post this query. I've been invited to a mailing list that is purportedly for bridge runners. The introduction to the list states: This list will be devoted to providing TOR bridges to help people in censored areas reach the free internet. Subscribers to this list can submit ip addresses and once a week, a limited list of bridges will be released to subscribers to help people (such as Syrians, Chinese, Iranian etc reach for these bridges to access the internet. <<< I know and trust the folks who administer the list server software, but have no idea who is managing the particular mailing list. I've posted a query to the list requesting some sort of authentication, but so far have received no reply. Should I trust this list with my bridge details? Can anyone suggest a method of authentication, other than a facemeet, that I can suggest on the list? Finally, if anyone here recognizes the list I'm talking about, please post your experiences. Thanks, eliaz -- gpg: E498E90D ___ tor-talk mailing list tor-talk@lists.torproject.org https://lists.torproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/tor-talk
[tor-talk] Vista DEP and TBB
I'm writing to ask if there's been some network or server problem the last few days? I've run into a variety of error msgs & non-reproducible difficulties, and before I tear my system apart I want to be sure that's what I need to do. Details: All night the TBB hasn't been able to raise check.torproject.org as it usually can on startup. I finally got a couple of other sites up in other tor browser tabs, along with spurious unsafe-site & other warnings. I would assume the problem was at the torproject servers, except that I've gotten various error messages at various attempts to log on that say that the problem might be a proxy error in my TBB configuration, although I'm using the default installation unchanged. I still wouldn't worry except that Vista's Data Execution Prevention is giving me warnings. Also, the last couple of days my tor e-mail client (thunderbird) wouldn't send or receive, leading me to think that something was broken here; but tonight thunderbird has on its own accord begun behaving as it should. - eli ___ tor-talk mailing list tor-talk@lists.torproject.org https://lists.torproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/tor-talk
Re: [tor-talk] Vista DEP and TBB
Thanks, Krishna & Fabian - Yes, it looks like what I thought were symptoms of a local problem were in fact hiccups in the network. Both torbrowser & the TB email client have begun to work properly on their own. My local testing shos nothing amiss. - eliaz On 3/7/2013 10:52 AM, Fabian Keil wrote: > I don't use TBB or Vista, but I've recently started getting > "SOCKS5 TTL expired" errors (Privoxy's translation for SOCKS5 > error code 6) that seemed to survive circuit changes and > persisted until tor got a SIGHUP or was restarted. > > If you just refreshed the page a bunch of times but didn't actually > restart tor, this could explain the check.torproject.org issue. > > Note that I haven't correlated my logs yet to verify that this is > a real issue and not just a bunch of coincidences that looked like > a Tor problem. On 3/7/2013 8:08 AM, krishna e bera wrote:> On Thu, 07 Mar 2013 05:59:01 -0500 > Tor has been fine for me the whole week. > Suggestion: basic Windows diagnostics > 1) boot from cd ; memtest > 2) boot from cd ; chkdsk /r > 3) cmd ; sfc /scannow > 4) malwarebytes.org quickscan > 5) Windows updates > eliaz wrote: > >> I'm writing to ask if there's been some network or server problem the >> last few days? I've run into a variety of error msgs & non-reproducible >> difficulties, and before I tear my system apart I want to be sure that's >> what I need to do. -- gpg: E498E90D ___ tor-talk mailing list tor-talk@lists.torproject.org https://lists.torproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/tor-talk
[tor-talk] TBB ver. 2.3.25-5 install
[this in Vista x64] I haven't been able to install TBB ver. 2.3.25-5 successfully. The browser comes up but doesn't connect; instead it gives me an error message that it can't find the server. I've had to drop back to 2.3.25-4. The interesting thing is that when check.torproject.org comes up in -4, it doesn't complain about -4 being out of date. I've had the same results with two separate downloads of the new version. Before I spend more time messing with my setup, I'm wondering if anyone else has run across this problem? - Thanks, eliaz ___ tor-talk mailing list tor-talk@lists.torproject.org https://lists.torproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/tor-talk
Re: [tor-talk] TBB ver. 2.3.25-5 install
Thanks, that's a help. I've loaded it successfully on a remote machine. Won't try it just now on my main machine as I've got a bridge running. > Hi, Eliaz. After reading this message, I tried 2.3.25-5 in my Windows 8 > x64 > and it worked fine. Sorry for not helping with your problem, I'm new at > Tor, it's just to let you know it's not a general problem in Windows. > > Rodolfo Ferraz > > > 2013/3/20 eliaz > >> [this in Vista x64] I haven't been able to install TBB ver. 2.3.25-5 >> successfully. The browser comes up but doesn't connect; instead it gives >> me >> an error message that it can't find the server. I've had to drop back to >> 2.3.25-4. The interesting thing is that when check.torproject.org comes >> up in -4, it doesn't complain about -4 being out of date. >> >> I've had the same results with two separate downloads of the new >> version. >> Before I spend more time messing with my setup, I'm wondering if anyone >> else has run across this problem? - Thanks, eliaz >> >> __**_ >> tor-talk mailing list >> tor-talk@lists.torproject.org >> https://lists.torproject.org/**cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/tor-**talk<https://lists.torproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/tor-talk> >> > ___ > tor-talk mailing list > tor-talk@lists.torproject.org > https://lists.torproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/tor-talk > ___ tor-talk mailing list tor-talk@lists.torproject.org https://lists.torproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/tor-talk
[tor-talk] geoip6
Can someone tell me if I have to do something about geoip6 warnings? I've got a bridge relay running from a vista x64 machine. As with the past few TBB versions I'm still getting occasional message-log warnings: "Failed to open GEOIP file C:\Users\,\AppData\Roaming \tor\geoip6." \AppData\Roaming\tor doesn't exist, nor does the subfolder \geoip6, as I'm running the bridge from from TBB installed on a USB stick. The installation seems correct, my geoip is in the data directory as usual. As far as I can tell the bridge is connecting to circuits as it should (though it's not carrying as much traffic as previously). I did find some discussion in bug tracker, but it's months old and doesn't suggest anything that I can do. So, do these warnings even apply to my relay installation? Can I just ignore them? ___ tor-talk mailing list tor-talk@lists.torproject.org https://lists.torproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/tor-talk
[tor-talk] SafeLogging
I'm running Tor v0.2.3.25 in bridge mode on Win 7. I can write SafeLogging 1 | relay into torrc, but SafeLogging 0 doesn't take (I write it into torrc, but then when I go look at the running torrc from vidalia, it's not there), and the Message Log records [scrubbed]. This didn't happen - I was able to see all the nodes - in previous versions. I'm curious: is the info for SafeLogging in tor-manual.html.en out of date? If this is not the sort of question to discuss in the clear forum, I'll be glad to send it encrypted to Support. Much obliged, eliaz -- tor-talk mailing list - tor-talk@lists.torproject.org To unsubscribe or change other settings go to https://lists.torproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/tor-talk
Re: [tor-talk] Is it possible to access healthcare.gov through Tor?
On 11/12/2013 4:57:09 AM, bao song (michaelw...@yahoo.com.au) wrote: > In order to minimise the information I give away when shopping on > healthcare.gov (before actually buying), > I'd like to use Tor to access the website, but I keep getting 'Forbidden.' You don't need Tor to do this. Load HTTPS Everywhere into our open Firefox or Chrome, and use the private or incognito mode. -- tor-talk mailing list - tor-talk@lists.torproject.org To unsubscribe or change other settings go to https://lists.torproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/tor-talk
Re: [tor-talk] Vidalia.
On 1/4/2014 1:28 PM, Артур Истомин wrote: > On Sat, Jan 04, 2014 at 09:57:19AM -0800, Bobby Brewster wrote: >> I see that Vidalia is no longer part of the TBB. >> >> What is the best way to monitor bandwith throughput? I always found this >> helpful when assessing the quality of the connection. > > It can be installed separately from > https://people.torproject.org/~erinn/vidalia-standalone-bundles/ > See answer to question "Where did the world map (Vidalia) go?" from > https://trac.torproject.org/projects/tor/wiki/doc/TorBrowserBundle3FAQ > Thanks for the post & reply, I too was wondering about the absence of vidalia in 3.5. I find the BW graph useful in picking quiet times to unload the bridge without inconveniencing clients. Does that make sense? Or is it enough to stop tor nicely? --- This email is free from viruses and malware because avast! Antivirus protection is active. http://www.avast.com -- tor-talk mailing list - tor-talk@lists.torproject.org To unsubscribe or change other settings go to https://lists.torproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/tor-talk
[tor-talk] startpage and ixquick
Are there security issus in using ixquick https instead of startpage in Tor 3.5 (Windows)? I'm finding startpage a bit cranky; sometimes it complains about "too many simultaneous connection," but at those times ixquick works fine. --- This email is free from viruses and malware because avast! Antivirus protection is active. http://www.avast.com -- tor-talk mailing list - tor-talk@lists.torproject.org To unsubscribe or change other settings go to https://lists.torproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/tor-talk
[tor-talk] Vidalia Log 404 msgs
Running a bridge relay with standalone Vidalia 0.2.21 and Tor 3.5:
Occasionally I'm getting '[Warning] Received http status code 404 ("Not
found") from server xxx' (for guard relays, I presume; see the log lines
below.) These are immediately followed by normal log entries, and other
checking shows the circuits working fine. Are these warnings important?
What am I supposed to do about them?
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--extracted from Vidalia Message Log:
Jan 14 04:37:42.350 [Warning] Received http status code 404 ("Not
found") from server '83.212.99.68:9010' while fetching
"/tor/keys/fp-sk/14C131DFC5C6F93646BE72FA1401C02A8DF2E8B4-98CC82342DE8D298CF99D3F1A396475901E0D38E".
Jan 14 04:47:53.388 [Warning] Received http status code 404 ("Not
found") from server '83.212.99.68:9010' while fetching
"/tor/keys/fp-sk/14C131DFC5C6F93646BE72FA1401C02A8DF2E8B4-98CC82342DE8D298CF99D3F1A396475901E0D38E".
Jan 14 05:22:54.372 [Notice] Heartbeat: Tor's uptime is 3 days 5:57
hours, with 3 circuits open. I've sent 10.28 MB and received 79.27 MB.
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Re: [tor-talk] Vidalia Log 404 msgs
> On 15/01/2014 2:55 AM, eliaz wrote:
>> Running a bridge relay with standalone Vidalia 0.2.21 and Tor 3.5:
Occasionally I'm getting '[Warning] Received http status code 404 ("Not
found") from server xxx' (for guard relays, I presume; see the log
lines
>> below.) These are immediately followed by normal log entries, and other
checking shows the circuits working fine. Are these warnings important?
What am I supposed to do about them?
>> -
>> --extracted from Vidalia Message Log:
>> Jan 14 04:47:53.388 [Warning] Received http status code 404 ("Not
found") from server '83.212.99.68:9010' while fetching
>> "/tor/keys/fp-sk/14C131DFC5C6F93646BE72FA1401C02A8DF2E8B4-98CC82342DE8D298CF99D3F1A396475901E0D38E".
> See: [tor-relays] 404: /tor/keys/fp-sk/print-print not found
Thanks, nano. I missed that thread in tor-relays.- eliaz
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[tor-talk] TBird & torbirdy
I just installed Thunderbird 68.22 on a new machine and find out that the torbirdy extension cannot be installed in versions above 60. I've been running Thunderbird with the -p flag so that when I run over the Tor Browser Bundle 9.01 I can use the torbirdied instance. Does TBird 68.22 no longer need to be torified? Thanks for any enlightenment. - eli -- tor-talk mailing list - tor-talk@lists.torproject.org To unsubscribe or change other settings go to https://lists.torproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/tor-talk
Re: [tor-talk] Fwd: Cryptopolitik and the Darknet
grarpamp: > -- Forwarded message -- > From: Steve Kinney > Date: Mon, 15 Feb 2016 08:59:32 -0500 > Subject: Cryptopolitik and the Darknet > To: cypherpu...@cpunks.org > > Cryptopolitik and the Darknet As an erstwhile bridge operator & also one who's put a lot of thought into the possibilities of abuse of the network, and also never quite believing that "there are more good than bad people," I found the article extremely useful. Two passages from the summary: "Proponents of hidden services argue that the cryptographic protocols that power the internet today were at the fringe of software development and considered a threat as late as 1995. Hidden services, they argue, are what https was 20 years prior: the future of security, not a threat to security. These arguments are strong, and cannot be dismissed; the technology may well mature and move into the mainstream in the future. But the crypto purists, Tor's developers among them, often fail to acknowledge an even more fundamental point, one that is deeply rooted in the recent history of cryptography: enhanced privacy, enhanced authentication and enhanced user anonymity are not tied to the service or content provider remaining anonymous and unregistered. Our first four properties – security, authentication, user anonymity and cash (or blockchains) – are entirely disconnected from the fifth: unidentified hidden exchanges. These issues are conceptually, politically and technically distinct. " "End-to-end encryption will therefore always be available to a determined, capable user. Moreover, at present, the powerful dynamics of open markets for communication services do not favour end-to-end encryption among individuals at a large scale, thus limiting the technology's wider appeal and uptake. Any attempt to systematically undermine end-to-end encryption – through legislation requiring service providers to retain the option of removing encryption for any given user – will likely strengthen more secure implementations by creating more demand for them, and thus help criminals and militants. We believe it should be a political no-go area for democratically elected governments to pursue such a path." So if it's possible to retain the desirable aspects of onion services while also abandoning unidentifiability of content providers, why not do it? Tor operators and users could then join the rest a progressive society, no? I hope everyone takes time to read the article. Then it would be interesting to take a poll or vote here to see how the Tor community feels about this. - eliaz -- tor-talk mailing list - tor-talk@lists.torproject.org To unsubscribe or change other settings go to https://lists.torproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/tor-talk
Re: [tor-talk] Fwd: Cryptopolitik and the Darknet
Elaboration: I said in my previous post that I never quite believed that "there are more good than bad people." I think it's more to the point of upgrading tor architecture to say that I don't feel comfortable relying on "there are more good than bad people" as a justification for the Tor Project's laudable aims. Regardless of numbers there *are* people who will misuse tor, and the article gives good evidence that those people are the ones who employ anonymous content platforms. - eliaz -- tor-talk mailing list - tor-talk@lists.torproject.org To unsubscribe or change other settings go to https://lists.torproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/tor-talk
Re: [tor-talk] Fwd: Cryptopolitik and the Darknet
> On 2/25/2016 5:13:34 PM, Zenaan Harkness (z...@freedbms.net) wrote: > > On 2/25/16, eliaz wrote: > > Elaboration: I said in my previous post that I never quite believed that > > "there are more good than bad people." I think it's more to the point > > of upgrading tor architecture to say that I don't feel comfortable > > relying on "there are more good than bad people" as a justification for > > the Tor Project's laudable aims. Regardless of numbers there *are* > > people who will misuse tor, and the article gives good evidence that > > those people are the ones who employ anonymous content platforms. - eliaz > > There is a principle: to give up anonymous publishing for the ~2% of > bad actors, you will give up that right for the rest of us as well. > > Same goes for other rights, not just anonymity. > > By allowing people to drive on public roads, we accept that > occasionally some nutcase will also drive on the roads, run down a > pedestrian or cop and or cause a lot of damage to property. It's part > of the bargain. > > Then some people will suggest "time for full time GPS tracking of all > vehicles, you know, to stop the crazies", thereby giving up our right > to anonymous travel. [snip] I still don't get it. If one believes in something, why not publish it non-anonymously? Most of the examples given for anonymous publication speak of small percentages of crazies. The Cryptopolitik article doesn't show a small percentage of illicit hidden services. Of the 2,723 hidden cervices that unambiguously met the taxa used, ~57% were illicit. Analogies to crazies on the roads, etc., take on a different complexion with such numbers. Gun violence in this country is pretty bad, but 57%? It's easy to be a libertarian or anarchist at home. These perspectives have contributed a lot to society; at the same time there's good reason why they don't work as sole governing principles. For even self-governance to work, liberty has to entertain constraints. The Cryptopolitik study & article attempts to set the groundwork for a non-bureaucratic, non-centralized but purely architectural way this might be done. That some people might have a non-criminal reason to host anonymous sites is a valid concern. But, if "anonymous publication" isn't an oxymoron, those folks will surely find ways to do it. Maybe tor-talk isn't the place to talk about these issues. Thanks for the opposite viewpoints. I'll shut up now, but will be interested to follow any dialogue that ensues by folks who have waded thru the whole article. - eliaz -- tor-talk mailing list - tor-talk@lists.torproject.org To unsubscribe or change other settings go to https://lists.torproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/tor-talk
[tor-talk] "Sorry. You are not using Tor."
I'm currently running a bridge via torbrowser (I know, it's not recommended. Indulge me). When I checked torbrowser tonight, trying to open check.torproject.org I got me an error "Sorry. You are not using Tor" and an apparent IPv6 address. But the path dropdown still gives the expected 2nd nodde & full IPv4 path. I've not gotten this behavior before. Why do I get the error msg? What gives? - eliaz -- tor-talk mailing list - tor-talk@lists.torproject.org To unsubscribe or change other settings go to https://lists.torproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/tor-talk
Re: [tor-talk] "Sorry. You are not using Tor."
> On 5/5/2016 3:47:08 AM, eliaz (el...@riseup.net) wrote: > > I'm currently running a bridge via torbrowser (I know, it's not > recommended. Indulge me). When I checked torbrowser tonight, trying to > open check.torproject.org I got me an error "Sorry. You are not using > Tor" and an apparent IPv6 address. But the path dropdown still gives the > expected 2nd nodde & full IPv4 path. I've not gotten this behavior > before. Why do I get the error msg? What gives? Ah, forget it - the browser GUI is behaving this morning. - eliaz -- tor-talk mailing list - tor-talk@lists.torproject.org To unsubscribe or change other settings go to https://lists.torproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/tor-talk
Re: [tor-talk] 'Refresh tor browser' - and then it wasn't one anymore.
> On 5/4/2016 1:00:36 AM, Andreas Krey (a.k...@gmx.de) wrote: > > Hi all, > > I just had the TBB ask me something to the lines > of 'refresh tor browser?', and I sleepily said > yes, and now the browser apparently has lost > the addon that is the tor process underneath, > and just says 'the proxy server is refusing > connections'. > > (I was already annoyed often enough by > this 'feature' in plain firefox, but > here it seems that it might leave > users without connectivity.) I have that problem too, with a bridge running in the tor browser under windows. I have to is to save the torrc, delete the tor browser, reinstall it anew, replace torrc, and restart. This is really a pain, I lose bridge flags whenever I install a browser or OS update. This doesn't happen when I run a tor client. There the browser updates go fine, the browser restarts itself as expected. - eliaz -- tor-talk mailing list - tor-talk@lists.torproject.org To unsubscribe or change other settings go to https://lists.torproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/tor-talk
Re: [tor-talk] New relays and bridges.
> On 8/21/2016 3:59:42 PM, laurelai bailey (laurelaist...@gmail.com) wrote: > > Since some folks have declined to offer their services in this department i > thought it might be a good idea to start outreach to get more bridges and > relays setup. Ill be setting one up myself and encouraging others to do the > same across various platforms. Good luck. the Tor Browser is a very user friendly *client* interface. But when tor.exe got integrated into the Tor browser, windows users (at least me) have not been able to set up relays. It seems that Tor developers have abandoned the windows OS, and so made it impossible for the community of windows users to contribute bridges, let alone relays. I'd attempt to volunteer for that work, but I'm not a programmer. - eliaz -- tor-talk mailing list - tor-talk@lists.torproject.org To unsubscribe or change other settings go to https://lists.torproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/tor-talk
Re: [tor-talk] New relays and bridges.
kl: > On 8/21/2016 3:59:42 PM, laurelai bailey (laurelaist...@gmail.com) wrote: >> But when tor.exe got integrated into the Tor browser, windows users (at >> least me) have not been able to set up relays. > > From what I understand it is better if Tor relays and Bridges have > longer term availability. > > It could be that only running a Relay for the 2 hours you are browsing > the web and then cutting off all the connections that have been made > through your Relay when you powerdown your desktop Windows PC and go to > bed might not be desirable. Your assumption is incorrect. I invested in a dedicated box, which I ran 24/7. Unfortunately that CPU (embedded Atom 2550) turned out not to be able to run *nix. > > I think it is rare for a desktop Windows machine to stay running 24/7. > So don't feel too bad about it. I don't feel bad. Just annoyed that that Tor developers abandoned windows support without letting anyone know that windows users would henceforth be limited to clients, not relays. I actually don't need it for client, but was enthusiastic to contribute to the network by running a bridge at least. > [snip] > A download for just the Tor Browser without all the other crap mixed in > would be nice but it's not a big deal. Having sane defaults for > unsophisticated users is more important. I agree with that. But the Tor project should keep us informed on developments or lack thereof, so we don't waste our time trying to setup bridges in windows when it's no longer possible. - eliaz -- tor-talk mailing list - tor-talk@lists.torproject.org To unsubscribe or change other settings go to https://lists.torproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/tor-talk
Re: [tor-talk] New relays and bridges.
> On 8/26/2016 10:13:39 AM, Jon Tullett (jon.tull...@gmail.com) wrote: > > On 26 August 2016 at 06:53, eliaz wrote: > >>> But when tor.exe got integrated into the Tor browser, windows users (at > >>> least me) have not been able to set up relays. [SNIP] > Would you be able to run a small headless Linux VM, with a Tor relay? > That should be very low in resource overhead, and it wouldn't conflict > with your desktop Tor browser. A good idea, thanks. Apologies for this tardy reply, I've been offline. - eliaz -- tor-talk mailing list - tor-talk@lists.torproject.org To unsubscribe or change other settings go to https://lists.torproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/tor-talk
