[tor-talk] Funding Tor Development trough Referral/Affiliate Marketing
Dear all, i've been told of some VPN services that are funding themselves by "spoofing" the referral ID in their users traffic, for hundreds of different websites for which they made an agreement for Referral / Affiliate Marketing, when they earn a commission. I'm wondering if that couldn't be a very interesting model also for TorBrowser, whereby the TorBrowser would automatically inject a referral ID (in the HTTP header or URL parameters), whenever a user connect to a certain amount of sites when they can buy something, and whenever the user buy something, the Tor Project Inc. get back a commission a way of financing the organization. That kind of model could be implemented with a custom plug-in within the Tor Browser. I don't see any risks for the end-users because: * For the end-user there would be no difference, as he would buy anyway what he want to buy at the same price. * If the end-user is buying something, he's already giving up his identity details to the shopping site * The website of the shop (being Amazon or others) will anyhow be able to identify that the user is coming from Tor network by looking at the IP address, so there would be no private information disclosure. What i don't know, is how many persons buy stuff online by using the Tor Browser!? -- Fabio Pietrosanti (naif) HERMES - Center for Transparency and Digital Human Rights http://logioshermes.org - https://globaleaks.org - https://tor2web.org - https://ahmia.fi -- tor-talk mailing list - tor-talk@lists.torproject.org To unsubscribe or change other settings go to https://lists.torproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/tor-talk
Re: [tor-talk] Funding Tor Development trough Referral/Affiliate Marketing
The amount of people buy stuff online via torbrowser should be quite low (besides at some some "silkroads") , any serious online shop like amazon will block Tor or VPN, otherwise the fraud order rate is quite high. At least the CC processor / paypal / whatever will block Tor. > Dear all, > > i've been told of some VPN services that are funding themselves by > "spoofing" the referral ID in their users traffic, for hundreds of > different websites for which they made an agreement for Referral / > Affiliate Marketing, when they earn a commission. > > I'm wondering if that couldn't be a very interesting model also for > TorBrowser, whereby the TorBrowser would automatically inject a referral > ID (in the HTTP header or URL parameters), whenever a user connect to a > certain amount of sites when they can buy something, and whenever the > user buy something, the Tor Project Inc. get back a commission a way of > financing the organization. > > That kind of model could be implemented with a custom plug-in within the > Tor Browser. > > I don't see any risks for the end-users because: > * For the end-user there would be no difference, as he would buy anyway > what he want to buy at the same price. > > * If the end-user is buying something, he's already giving up his > identity details to the shopping site > > * The website of the shop (being Amazon or others) will anyhow be able > to identify that the user is coming from Tor network by looking at the > IP address, so there would be no private information disclosure. > > What i don't know, is how many persons buy stuff online by using the Tor > Browser!? > -- -- tor-talk mailing list - tor-talk@lists.torproject.org To unsubscribe or change other settings go to https://lists.torproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/tor-talk
Re: [tor-talk] Funding Tor Development trough Referral/Affiliate Marketing
I didn't realize The Tor Project needed to investigate other options to raise more money. They have a decently paid staff, and plenty of beneficiaries. At least according to their 2013 tax filings. So, while your idea is interesting, this is a solution seeking a problem with the wrong entity. > On Jan 10, 2016, at 9:21 AM, Kolja Weber wrote: > > The amount of people buy stuff online via torbrowser should be quite low > (besides at some some "silkroads") , any serious online shop like amazon > will block Tor or VPN, otherwise the fraud order rate is quite high. > At least the CC processor / paypal / whatever will block Tor. > >> Dear all, >> >> i've been told of some VPN services that are funding themselves by >> "spoofing" the referral ID in their users traffic, for hundreds of >> different websites for which they made an agreement for Referral / >> Affiliate Marketing, when they earn a commission. >> >> I'm wondering if that couldn't be a very interesting model also for >> TorBrowser, whereby the TorBrowser would automatically inject a referral >> ID (in the HTTP header or URL parameters), whenever a user connect to a >> certain amount of sites when they can buy something, and whenever the >> user buy something, the Tor Project Inc. get back a commission a way of >> financing the organization. >> >> That kind of model could be implemented with a custom plug-in within the >> Tor Browser. >> >> I don't see any risks for the end-users because: >> * For the end-user there would be no difference, as he would buy anyway >> what he want to buy at the same price. >> >> * If the end-user is buying something, he's already giving up his >> identity details to the shopping site >> >> * The website of the shop (being Amazon or others) will anyhow be able >> to identify that the user is coming from Tor network by looking at the >> IP address, so there would be no private information disclosure. >> >> What i don't know, is how many persons buy stuff online by using the Tor >> Browser!? >> > > > -- > > -- > tor-talk mailing list - tor-talk@lists.torproject.org > To unsubscribe or change other settings go to > https://lists.torproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/tor-talk -- tor-talk mailing list - tor-talk@lists.torproject.org To unsubscribe or change other settings go to https://lists.torproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/tor-talk
Re: [tor-talk] Funding Tor Development trough Referral/Affiliate Marketing
On 01/10/2016 03:08 PM, Fabio Pietrosanti (naif) - lists wrote: > I'm wondering if that couldn't be a very interesting model also for > TorBrowser, whereby the TorBrowser would automatically inject a referral > ID (in the HTTP header or URL parameters) [...] > That kind of model could be implemented with a custom plug-in within the > Tor Browser. My first reaction was that this is highly unethical. I can see this happening as a plugin and an option within the setup wizard to enable it (opt-in). It can probably be done similarly to the proof-of-concept HTTPS Everywhere ruleset https://github.com/chris-barry/darkweb-everywhere I still don't have a very good feeling about it. -- Moritz Bartl https://www.torservers.net/ -- tor-talk mailing list - tor-talk@lists.torproject.org To unsubscribe or change other settings go to https://lists.torproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/tor-talk
Re: [tor-talk] Funding Tor Development trough Referral/Affiliate Marketing
On Sun, 10 Jan 2016 16:21:37 +, Kolja Weber wrote: > The amount of people buy stuff online via torbrowser should be quite low > (besides at some some "silkroads") , any serious online shop like amazon > will block Tor or VPN, otherwise the fraud order rate is quite high. None of my usual suspects block tor (my banks, diverse german retailers). As far as I remember even amazon let me order (I don't do them often). Notable exception: German railways. Andreas -- "Totally trivial. Famous last words." From: Linus Torvalds Date: Fri, 22 Jan 2010 07:29:21 -0800 -- tor-talk mailing list - tor-talk@lists.torproject.org To unsubscribe or change other settings go to https://lists.torproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/tor-talk
Re: [tor-talk] Funding Tor Development trough Referral/Affiliate Marketing
On Sun, Jan 10, 2016 at 10:29 AM, Moritz Bartl wrote: > On 01/10/2016 03:08 PM, Fabio Pietrosanti (naif) - lists wrote: >> I'm wondering if that couldn't be a very interesting model also for >> TorBrowser, whereby the TorBrowser would automatically inject a referral >> ID (in the HTTP header or URL parameters) [...] >> That kind of model could be implemented with a custom plug-in within the >> Tor Browser. > > My first reaction was that this is highly unethical. > > I can see this happening as a plugin and an option within the setup > wizard to enable it (opt-in). It can probably be done similarly to the > proof-of-concept HTTPS Everywhere ruleset > https://github.com/chris-barry/darkweb-everywhere > > I still don't have a very good feeling about it. Agreed. -- Nick -- tor-talk mailing list - tor-talk@lists.torproject.org To unsubscribe or change other settings go to https://lists.torproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/tor-talk
