Re: [tor-talk] Pirate Linux 1.5
hi, AK wrote (31 May 2012 15:36:27 GMT) : Was it your answer to my question about upgrading Tails? [...] If someone is using Tails booted from Pirate Linux, they can download the ISO from the Tails website, and use the USB installer there, it should work as long as they have enough RAM to store the ISO. I'm not sure I understand correctly what you mean, but the way I understand it won't work at all in the current state of our tools. (I'd be glad to see our tools improved to support this usecase, though :) My point here is that I absolutely do not want to see a new class of users, locked in a non-upgradable, obsolete and buggy installation, coming up on our support channels, because someone gave them something called Tails, that did not really work like the real thing. So please: * Either make sure you give the Pirate Linux users a working and documented way to upgrade the Tails you are distributing to new versions we put out. Relying on should work feels inadequate to me. Best would be to make it so the standard, documented way somehow works for Pirate Linux users too, I guess, so that you don't have to fork the Tails documentation, the Tails upgrade notification system, and possibly more. It may boil down to contributing the changes you need to Tails, instead of having to slowly fork it. * Or, make it crystal clear to Pirate Linux users the version of Tails shipped with it is meant to easily allow people to try Tails, and that it may be obsolete, may contain security issues fixed in Tails since then, and may be broken in various random ways. This clearly is the cheapest way to do it. In that case, perhaps synchronizing somehow with our release dates could be worth it, to avoid putting a new Pirate Linux out two weeks before the scheduled release of a Tails major version? ___ tor-talk mailing list tor-talk@lists.torproject.org https://lists.torproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/tor-talk
Re: [tor-talk] Pirate Linux 1.5
On 06/01/2012 06:52 AM, intrigeri wrote: hi, AK wrote (31 May 2012 15:36:27 GMT) : Was it your answer to my question about upgrading Tails? [...] If someone is using Tails booted from Pirate Linux, they can download the ISO from the Tails website, and use the USB installer there, it should work as long as they have enough RAM to store the ISO. I'm not sure I understand correctly what you mean, but the way I understand it won't work at all in the current state of our tools. (I'd be glad to see our tools improved to support this usecase, though :) My point here is that I absolutely do not want to see a new class of users, locked in a non-upgradable, obsolete and buggy installation, coming up on our support channels, because someone gave them something called Tails, that did not really work like the real thing. So please: * Either make sure you give the Pirate Linux users a working and documented way to upgrade the Tails you are distributing to new versions we put out. Relying on should work feels inadequate to me. Best would be to make it so the standard, documented way somehow works for Pirate Linux users too, I guess, so that you don't have to fork the Tails documentation, the Tails upgrade notification system, and possibly more. It may boil down to contributing the changes you need to Tails, instead of having to slowly fork it. * Or, make it crystal clear to Pirate Linux users the version of Tails shipped with it is meant to easily allow people to try Tails, and that it may be obsolete, may contain security issues fixed in Tails since then, and may be broken in various random ways. This clearly is the cheapest way to do it. In that case, perhaps synchronizing somehow with our release dates could be worth it, to avoid putting a new Pirate Linux out two weeks before the scheduled release of a Tails major version? ___ tor-talk mailing list tor-talk@lists.torproject.org https://lists.torproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/tor-talk Alright, I added some more details to the guide. I'm planning to add better Tails upgrade support for the next release (not sure when). By the way, criticism is highly encouraged. I like to know whether I'm doing something wrong! signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature ___ tor-talk mailing list tor-talk@lists.torproject.org https://lists.torproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/tor-talk
[tor-talk] Pirate Linux 1.5
Pirate Linux 1.5 has just been released. The main OS in the ISO is based off Ubuntu 12.04. You can also just download piratepack, which is a DEB package which installs essentially the same features and has been tested on Ubuntu 10+ and Debian 6. Download page: http://piratelinux.org/?page_id=2 Features page: http://piratelinux.org/?page_id=15 Get started with this Guide: http://piratelinux.org/?page_id=275 Notable Tor features: - Tor Web Browser that uses your default Firefox. (Contains the addons Bloody Vikings, HTTPS-Everywhere, NoScript, Torbutton, websocket disabled). - Tor IRC. (pidgin with OTR connected to Tor with a random username and some relevant chat rooms added to list) - Easily create multiple Tor (Vidalia) instances. - Convenient access from the boot menu to the Tails Amnesic Incognito Live System (This method of using Tails is not officially supported by the Tails developers, and some features such as the USB installer may not work). Some future plans: - Only updates get compiled. - Gentoo package. - Pirate Linux Server Edition. But now, until probably October, I'll be too busy to add new features, so I'll just focus on maintaining bugs and important updates. signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature ___ tor-talk mailing list tor-talk@lists.torproject.org https://lists.torproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/tor-talk
Re: [tor-talk] Pirate Linux 1.5
Hi, Andrew K wrote (31 May 2012 19:07:54 GMT) : - Convenient access from the boot menu to the Tails Amnesic Incognito Live System (This method of using Tails is not officially supported by the Tails developers, and some features such as the USB installer may not work). It always feels good to see Tails spread around, but given the non-standard way this one is installed, I feel compelled to ask: Is any security feature of Tails known to be broken? How are users supposed to upgrade the Tails provided by Pirate Linux? ___ tor-talk mailing list tor-talk@lists.torproject.org https://lists.torproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/tor-talk
Re: [tor-talk] Pirate Linux 1.5
Hi, AK wrote (31 May 2012 14:00:17 GMT) : From what I tested, no security feature is broken. Great. It's meant to easily allow people to try Tails, an if they like it and they want the official version, they can go to the Tails website and download the latest ISO. Was it your answer to my question about upgrading Tails? ___ tor-talk mailing list tor-talk@lists.torproject.org https://lists.torproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/tor-talk
Re: [tor-talk] Pirate Linux 1.5
Was it your answer to my question about upgrading Tails? Yes. I'm not sure exactly how the Tails upgrade system works, but I think it requires one to download a tails ISO and either burn it to DVD or install it to usb using the USB installer in tails or in another OS. If someone is using Tails booted from Pirate Linux, they can download the ISO from the Tails website, and use the USB installer there, it should work as long as they have enough RAM to store the ISO. If you have more detailed questions, feel free to ask me on IRC (akarmn, irc.oftc.net). On Thu, May 31, 2012 at 8:33 AM, intrigeri intrig...@boum.org wrote: Hi, AK wrote (31 May 2012 14:00:17 GMT) : From what I tested, no security feature is broken. Great. It's meant to easily allow people to try Tails, an if they like it and they want the official version, they can go to the Tails website and download the latest ISO. Was it your answer to my question about upgrading Tails? ___ tor-talk mailing list tor-talk@lists.torproject.org https://lists.torproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/tor-talk ___ tor-talk mailing list tor-talk@lists.torproject.org https://lists.torproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/tor-talk
Re: [tor-talk] Pirate Linux 1.5
Looks like the first bug you need to fix is with NTP. Your clock is not even close to right. -Pascal On 5/31/2012 2:07 PM, Andrew K wrote: But now, until probably October, I'll be too busy to add new features, so I'll just focus on maintaining bugs and important updates. ___ tor-talk mailing list tor-talk@lists.torproject.org https://lists.torproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/tor-talk
Re: [tor-talk] Pirate Linux 1.5
The clock is fine on Pirate Linux. I've been writing my emails with another OS, and now I think I fixed it :) On Thu, May 31, 2012 at 9:44 AM, Pascal pascal...@users.sourceforge.net wrote: Looks like the first bug you need to fix is with NTP. Your clock is not even close to right. -Pascal On 5/31/2012 2:07 PM, Andrew K wrote: But now, until probably October, I'll be too busy to add new features, so I'll just focus on maintaining bugs and important updates. ___ tor-talk mailing list tor-talk@lists.torproject.org https://lists.torproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/tor-talk ___ tor-talk mailing list tor-talk@lists.torproject.org https://lists.torproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/tor-talk
