Re: [tor-talk] Why the US Government funds circumvention projects (Like Tor)
-Original Message- From: Joe Btfsplk joebtfs...@gmx.com To: tor-talk@lists.torproject.org Sent: Wed, Mar 30, 2011 6:52 am Subject: Re: [tor-talk] Why the US Government funds circumvention projects (Like Tor) clind...@garudallc.com wrote: Hi, I light of the recent discussions regarding governments funding projects like Tor, I thought this article might be of interest. U.S. develops panic button for democracy activists Full article: http://www.reuters.com/article/2011/03/25/us-rights-usa-technology-idUSTRE7206DH20110325 Now at http://www.reuters.com/article/idUSN2527265620110325 That's great. At the same time many govts allow mobile providers to track users, even by longitude / latitude. http://www.dslreports.com/shownews/NY-Times-Realizes-Wireless-Carriers-Track-You-113416 If mobile providers have the technology or are allowed to, so can govts. I sleep better at night just knowing (any) govt has its ( other countries') citizens' best interests at heart. (little sarcasm). A govt's word is as good as gold - they've never lied (from beginning of recorded history), have they? I am a little concerned though, about the US violating the constitution in numerous ways to spy on citizens in numerous ways. (remember the congressional hearings on telephone internet?) If you want to know what (any) govt's up to, have to go elsewhere dig deep for news insight, not depend on info from the govt(s), nightly news or newspapers. Don't ask the fox guarding the hen house how things are. Something is only a conspiracy theory when no facts, evidence (or sometimes even common sense about it) exist. ___ don't know if anyone remembers about, oh, I don't know, about 1-3? years ago the U.S. government and U.S. military admitted that the U.S. military had been used to spy domestically on U.S. citizens. That, is specifically prohibited by Federal law, law the Feds break. They, your government, should never be trusted, ever. It is time to disband the gangs of the government and all American institutions that are broke (they can't be fixed), that don't solve problems (none of them do) and stop using the same ole, broken, impractical and unusable tools we have or have been given or allowed to use, that to this very day, have not, do not and will not fix the problems WE, the people have. Yet that is the box most willingly stay in, think in, believe in and speak in. If it doesn't solve the problems we need solved, then it is irrelevant to our lives and needs to be discarded with something that works, in its place. That is usually, people: us/US Things are always left to us/US to take care of and WE do, so take a look around you and be honest to yourself. Sorry for the rant but that's all there seems to be. No action being taken in other words, or are 'ya gonna vote! That doesn't work and hasn't for a long time. tor-talk mailing list tor-talk@lists.torproject.org https://lists.torproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/tor-talk ___ tor-talk mailing list tor-talk@lists.torproject.org https://lists.torproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/tor-talk
[tor-talk] Why the US Government funds circumvention projects (Like Tor)
Hi, I light of the recent discussions regarding governments funding projects like Tor, I thought this article might be of interest. From the article: From: Chris Lindsey ch...@christopherlindsey.com To: clind...@garudallc.com Subject:article Date: Tue, 29 Mar 2011 11:23:10 -0700 U.S. develops panic button for democracy activists (Reuters) - Some day soon, when pro-democracy campaigners have their cellphones confiscated by police, they'll be able to hit the panic button -- a special app that will both wipe out the phone's address book and emit emergency alerts to other activists. The panic button is one of the new technologies the U.S. State Department is promoting to equip pro-democracy activists in countries ranging from the Middle East to China with the tools to fight back against repressive governments. We've been trying to keep below the radar on this, because a lot of the people we are working with are operating in very sensitive environments, said Michael Posner, assistant U.S. secretary of state for human rights and labor. Full article: http://www.reuters.com/article/2011/03/25/us-rights-usa-technology-idUSTRE7206DH20110325 Take care, Chris -- Christopher A. Lindsey clind...@garudallc.com Garuda, LLC signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part ___ tor-talk mailing list tor-talk@lists.torproject.org https://lists.torproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/tor-talk
Re: [tor-talk] Why the US Government funds circumvention projects (Like Tor)
On Tue, 29 Mar 2011 11:32 -0700, Christopher A. Lindsey clind...@garudallc.com wrote: Hi, I light of the recent discussions regarding governments funding projects like Tor, I thought this article might be of interest. From the article: From: Chris Lindsey ch...@christopherlindsey.com To: clind...@garudallc.com Subject:article Date: Tue, 29 Mar 2011 11:23:10 -0700 U.S. develops panic button for democracy activists (Reuters) - Some day soon, when pro-democracy campaigners have their cellphones confiscated by police, they'll be able to hit the panic button -- a special app that will both wipe out the phone's address book and emit emergency alerts to other activists. The panic button is one of the new technologies the U.S. State Department is promoting to equip pro-democracy activists in countries ranging from the Middle East to China with the tools to fight back against repressive governments. We've been trying to keep below the radar on this, because a lot of the people we are working with are operating in very sensitive environments, said Michael Posner, assistant U.S. secretary of state for human rights and labor. Full article: http://www.reuters.com/article/2011/03/25/us-rights-usa-technology-idUSTRE7206DH20110325 Take care, Chris -- Christopher A. Lindsey clind...@garudallc.com Garuda, LLC Now at http://www.reuters.com/article/idUSN2527265620110325 -- http://www.fastmail.fm - Accessible with your email software or over the web ___ tor-talk mailing list tor-talk@lists.torproject.org https://lists.torproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/tor-talk
Re: [tor-talk] Why the US Government funds circumvention projects (Like Tor)
clind...@garudallc.com wrote: Hi, I light of the recent discussions regarding governments funding projects like Tor, I thought this article might be of interest. U.S. develops panic button for democracy activists Full article: http://www.reuters.com/article/2011/03/25/us-rights-usa-technology-idUSTRE7206DH20110325 Now at http://www.reuters.com/article/idUSN2527265620110325 That's great. At the same time many govts allow mobile providers to track users, even by longitude / latitude. http://www.dslreports.com/shownews/NY-Times-Realizes-Wireless-Carriers-Track-You-113416 If mobile providers have the technology or are allowed to, so can govts. I sleep better at night just knowing (any) govt has its ( other countries') citizens' best interests at heart. (little sarcasm). A govt's word is as good as gold - they've never lied (from beginning of recorded history), have they? I am a little concerned though, about the US violating the constitution in numerous ways to spy on citizens in numerous ways. (remember the congressional hearings on telephone internet?) If you want to know what (any) govt's up to, have to go elsewhere dig deep for news insight, not depend on info from the govt(s), nightly news or newspapers. Don't ask the fox guarding the hen house how things are. Something is only a conspiracy theory when no facts, evidence (or sometimes even common sense about it) exist. ___ tor-talk mailing list tor-talk@lists.torproject.org https://lists.torproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/tor-talk
