Re: [tor-talk] which 3.0a4 package is for Windows
On 10/09/2013 06:24 AM, Joe Btfsplk wrote: Except in this case, the file / package isn't an executable - it's a compressed archive. The exe may be used here to indicate a Windows build, but it's just a zipped (.7z) file. It may contain a .7z archive and you may be able to open it using 7zip, but it is still an executable, containing both the compressed archive as well as an self-contained unpacker. (the jargon term is SFX, self-extracting archive) In the case of 3.0, it should even be a proper installer made with NSIS. Did you actually try to run it? Technically, shouldn't the Windows packages have a compressed archive extension, like the other platforms? You can't make it right for everyone. Most Windows users don't know how to deal with archives, but do expect a wizard to guide them when they double-click a file. Besides, emailing a Windows TBB package w/ .exe extension can create problems. Why not call it what it is? It is a proper Windows executable, not simply an archive. Moritz -- tor-talk mailing list - tor-talk@lists.torproject.org To unsusbscribe or change other settings go to https://lists.torproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/tor-talk
Re: [tor-talk] which 3.0a4 package is for Windows
09.10.2013 06:24, Joe Btfsplk: On 10/8/2013 6:13 PM, Moritz Bartl wrote: Is there a reason even stable Win versions never reference the OS in file names? .exe is a Windows(-only) extension. I agree that the OS could be added to the file name to avoid confusion. Thanks, but a question / comment. Except in this case, the file / package isn't an executable - it's a compressed archive. It's kind of both. You can install the bundle. The .exe can be executed and asks for where to extract to and can optionally start the bundle after extracting it. It's also possible to extract the installer using 7zip (or another extractor) and access it that way. (This applies to the relay bundle and bridge bundle, too. They are installers and can be extracted using 7zip or something else.) The exe may be used here to indicate a Windows build, but it's just a zipped (.7z) file. I'm sure lots of new users are confused by the .exe, in spite of instructions. Apparently users are confused all the time. They were confused about simple archives one had to extract. They extracted it and did not know what to do. Now it is an executable that unpacks the bundle and can launch it. This should be a lot easier to handle for most people. Technically, shouldn't the Windows packages have a compressed archive extension, like the other platforms? They had, but users seemed confused. Besides, emailing a Windows TBB package w/ .exe extension can create problems. Why not call it what it is? Indeed, some security mechanism filer attachments based on extension. I would get confused if something that can't be executed would have the extension .exe and if that would be the case with TBB releases I would also prefer to have a .zip file as it doesn't require third-party software on modern windows, which as far as I can tell still does not know how to handle .7z I also would include the OS name in the bundle name if there would be just archives or version for 64bit Windows, maybe one can do that anyway to avoid confusion. Regards, Sebastian G. -- tor-talk mailing list - tor-talk@lists.torproject.org To unsusbscribe or change other settings go to https://lists.torproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/tor-talk
Re: [tor-talk] which 3.0a4 package is for Windows
On 13-10-09 04:00 AM, Sebastian G. bastik.tor wrote: 09.10.2013 06:24, Joe Btfsplk: On 10/8/2013 6:13 PM, Moritz Bartl wrote: Is there a reason even stable Win versions never reference the OS in file names? .exe is a Windows(-only) extension. I agree that the OS could be added to the file name to avoid confusion. Thanks, but a question / comment. Except in this case, the file / package isn't an executable - it's a compressed archive. It's kind of both. You can install the bundle. The .exe can be executed and asks for where to extract to and can optionally start the bundle after extracting it. It's also possible to extract the installer using 7zip (or another extractor) and access it that way. (This applies to the relay bundle and bridge bundle, too. They are installers and can be extracted using 7zip or something else.) The exe may be used here to indicate a Windows build, but it's just a zipped (.7z) file. I'm sure lots of new users are confused by the .exe, in spite of instructions. Apparently users are confused all the time. They were confused about simple archives one had to extract. They extracted it and did not know what to do. Now it is an executable that unpacks the bundle and can launch it. If you want to prevent confusing Windows users, the installer should be a .msi file which by default has the action Install associated with it when they click. It should also be signed in Microsoft's anointed way so that there are no popup warnings about untrusted software. -- tor-talk mailing list - tor-talk@lists.torproject.org To unsusbscribe or change other settings go to https://lists.torproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/tor-talk
[tor-talk] which 3.0a4 package is for Windows
Is the only set of installers that doesn't list an OS, the one for Windows? https://archive.torproject.org/tor-package-archive/torbrowser/3.0a4/ Is there a reason even stable Win versions never reference the OS in file names? Thanks. -- tor-talk mailing list - tor-talk@lists.torproject.org To unsusbscribe or change other settings go to https://lists.torproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/tor-talk
Re: [tor-talk] which 3.0a4 package is for Windows
On 10/09/2013 01:07 AM, Joe Btfsplk wrote: Is the only set of installers that doesn't list an OS, the one for Windows? https://archive.torproject.org/tor-package-archive/torbrowser/3.0a4/ Yes. Is there a reason even stable Win versions never reference the OS in file names? .exe is a Windows(-only) extension. I agree that the OS could be added to the file name to avoid confusion. -- Moritz -- tor-talk mailing list - tor-talk@lists.torproject.org To unsusbscribe or change other settings go to https://lists.torproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/tor-talk
Re: [tor-talk] which 3.0a4 package is for Windows
On 10/8/2013 6:13 PM, Moritz Bartl wrote: Is there a reason even stable Win versions never reference the OS in file names? .exe is a Windows(-only) extension. I agree that the OS could be added to the file name to avoid confusion. Thanks, but a question / comment. Except in this case, the file / package isn't an executable - it's a compressed archive. The exe may be used here to indicate a Windows build, but it's just a zipped (.7z) file. I'm sure lots of new users are confused by the .exe, in spite of instructions. Technically, shouldn't the Windows packages have a compressed archive extension, like the other platforms? Besides, emailing a Windows TBB package w/ .exe extension can create problems. Why not call it what it is? -- tor-talk mailing list - tor-talk@lists.torproject.org To unsusbscribe or change other settings go to https://lists.torproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/tor-talk
