Re: [tor-talk] Ad Blocking Software
On 06/10/2014 10:55 PM, Roman Mamedov wrote: On Tue, 10 Jun 2014 10:49:01 +0200 Anders Andersson pipat...@gmail.com wrote: On Mon, Jun 9, 2014 at 9:18 PM, Antonio Z adbeiler4...@gmail.com wrote: I understand that it is not necessary, but I believe that making your own ad blocking software would bring more people to tor. It does not even have to come with the bundle. It could just be an optional add on called, Tor Ad blocker. Inappropriate ads are the main reason why I would just shift back to a browser in which I can maneuver easier. What's wrong with any of the ad blockers already out there, like, adblock? I think one objection against manually installing AdBlock (or other similar extensions) was that you make your TBB stand out from most other TBBs out there. If *all* TBBs had AdBlock or other standardized ad blocking software installed, that'd be a non-issue. Yes indeed. So why doesn't TBB include AdBlock? In my experience, unlike NoScript, AdBlock Plus rarely breaks sites. Reductions in site loading time are dramatic. And then there's the privacy benefit. -- tor-talk mailing list - tor-talk@lists.torproject.org To unsubscribe or change other settings go to https://lists.torproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/tor-talk
Re: [tor-talk] Ad Blocking Software
I agree with Mirmir, but I would still be more comfortable if it was made by Tor. On 6/11/14, Mirimir miri...@riseup.net wrote: On 06/10/2014 10:55 PM, Roman Mamedov wrote: On Tue, 10 Jun 2014 10:49:01 +0200 Anders Andersson pipat...@gmail.com wrote: On Mon, Jun 9, 2014 at 9:18 PM, Antonio Z adbeiler4...@gmail.com wrote: I understand that it is not necessary, but I believe that making your own ad blocking software would bring more people to tor. It does not even have to come with the bundle. It could just be an optional add on called, Tor Ad blocker. Inappropriate ads are the main reason why I would just shift back to a browser in which I can maneuver easier. What's wrong with any of the ad blockers already out there, like, adblock? I think one objection against manually installing AdBlock (or other similar extensions) was that you make your TBB stand out from most other TBBs out there. If *all* TBBs had AdBlock or other standardized ad blocking software installed, that'd be a non-issue. Yes indeed. So why doesn't TBB include AdBlock? In my experience, unlike NoScript, AdBlock Plus rarely breaks sites. Reductions in site loading time are dramatic. And then there's the privacy benefit. -- tor-talk mailing list - tor-talk@lists.torproject.org To unsubscribe or change other settings go to https://lists.torproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/tor-talk -- tor-talk mailing list - tor-talk@lists.torproject.org To unsubscribe or change other settings go to https://lists.torproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/tor-talk
Re: [tor-talk] Ad Blocking Software
On 6/11/2014 12:50 AM, Mirimir wrote: Yes indeed. So why doesn't TBB include AdBlock? In my experience, unlike NoScript, AdBlock Plus rarely breaks sites. Reductions in site loading time are dramatic. And then there's the privacy benefit. The reason given in the past by Tor Project leaders, was basically, they don't want Tor to be perceived as being unfriendly towards sites trying to make a bit of money to support their sites. Some users don't disagree so much with sites presenting modest number of non-intrusive ads, but it's hard(er) to pick choose which ads will be allowed, on which sites. Ad Block Plus makes an attempt at that w/ its hotly debated, opt out method of allow some non-intrusive advertising. I think one objection against manually installing AdBlock (or other similar extensions) was that you make your TBB stand out from most other TBB... I haven't seen the browser fingerprint testing sites being able to detect all addons installed, as standard practice. If java script is enabled, sites may be able to guess that specific addons are installed, by their actions - like preventing ads from loading. Even if JS isn't enabled, they might be able to see that ads aren't loaded guess that ABP or something is installed. But detecting / guessing all addons - never heard that. But if only 25% of TBB users have ABP IF... sites (or adversaries) guess that it's installed by its action, then in their estimation, they've narrowed that particular browser characteristic down to 25% of TBB users. If one lives in a free society is doing nothing illegal under local laws, nor particularly interesting to internet tapping agencies, that might not be terribly important. On the other hand, what's legal or not a concern to LEAs today, could change in the future. -- tor-talk mailing list - tor-talk@lists.torproject.org To unsubscribe or change other settings go to https://lists.torproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/tor-talk
Re: [tor-talk] Ad Blocking Software
On 06/11/2014 11:42 AM, Joe Btfsplk wrote: On 6/11/2014 12:50 AM, Mirimir wrote: Yes indeed. So why doesn't TBB include AdBlock? In my experience, unlike NoScript, AdBlock Plus rarely breaks sites. Reductions in site loading time are dramatic. And then there's the privacy benefit. The reason given in the past by Tor Project leaders, was basically, they don't want Tor to be perceived as being unfriendly towards sites trying to make a bit of money to support their sites. Ads are arguably the greatest security threat for otherwise trusted sites. Site managers generally can't vet individual ads in advance. Even honest ad publishers are easily gamed by malicious advertisers who alter ads after approval. Some users don't disagree so much with sites presenting modest number of non-intrusive ads, but it's hard(er) to pick choose which ads will be allowed, on which sites. I did not welcome the ad-funding model for the Web when it appeared ~15 years ago, and I utterly reject it now. I'd much rather see an automated anonymous micropayment system for content and services provided. Ad Block Plus makes an attempt at that w/ its hotly debated, opt out method of allow some non-intrusive advertising. I think one objection against manually installing AdBlock (or other similar extensions) was that you make your TBB stand out from most other TBB... I haven't seen the browser fingerprint testing sites being able to detect all addons installed, as standard practice. If java script is enabled, sites may be able to guess that specific addons are installed, by their actions - like preventing ads from loading. Even if JS isn't enabled, they might be able to see that ads aren't loaded guess that ABP or something is installed. But detecting / guessing all addons - never heard that. But if only 25% of TBB users have ABP IF... sites (or adversaries) guess that it's installed by its action, then in their estimation, they've narrowed that particular browser characteristic down to 25% of TBB users. If one lives in a free society is doing nothing illegal under local laws, nor particularly interesting to internet tapping agencies, that might not be terribly important. On the other hand, what's legal or not a concern to LEAs today, could change in the future. For sure :( -- tor-talk mailing list - tor-talk@lists.torproject.org To unsubscribe or change other settings go to https://lists.torproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/tor-talk
Re: [tor-talk] Ad Blocking Software
I did not think that Adblock was trustable considering how an extension can bypass Tor. On 6/10/14, Anders Andersson pipat...@gmail.com wrote: On Mon, Jun 9, 2014 at 9:18 PM, Antonio Z adbeiler4...@gmail.com wrote: I understand that it is not necessary, but I believe that making your own ad blocking software would bring more people to tor. It does not even have to come with the bundle. It could just be an optional add on called, Tor Ad blocker. Inappropriate ads are the main reason why I would just shift back to a browser in which I can maneuver easier. What's wrong with any of the ad blockers already out there, like, adblock? -- tor-talk mailing list - tor-talk@lists.torproject.org To unsubscribe or change other settings go to https://lists.torproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/tor-talk -- tor-talk mailing list - tor-talk@lists.torproject.org To unsubscribe or change other settings go to https://lists.torproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/tor-talk
Re: [tor-talk] Ad Blocking Software
On 6/10/2014 2:27 PM, Antonio Z wrote: I did not think that Adblock was trustable considering how an extension can bypass Tor. Good question. I've never sniffed ABP activities to see what it does when installed in TBB. From memory, it shouldn't be phoning home, except to get updates. Don't hold me to that. It may / may not follow the rules always use the Tor proxy, or transmit reveal your real IP, in unencrypted form, that someone could capture. It really depends on who one is hiding from for what purpose. BTW, not a big deal, but most users on mailing lists add comments just below quoted material, or insert comments below each pertinent passage. (or that's the way I was taught) Opposite from how many do it in email. Typically, only relevant previous comments are carried forward on mailing lists, especially for longer posts. -- tor-talk mailing list - tor-talk@lists.torproject.org To unsubscribe or change other settings go to https://lists.torproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/tor-talk
Re: [tor-talk] Ad Blocking Software
On Tue, 10 Jun 2014 10:49:01 +0200 Anders Andersson pipat...@gmail.com wrote: On Mon, Jun 9, 2014 at 9:18 PM, Antonio Z adbeiler4...@gmail.com wrote: I understand that it is not necessary, but I believe that making your own ad blocking software would bring more people to tor. It does not even have to come with the bundle. It could just be an optional add on called, Tor Ad blocker. Inappropriate ads are the main reason why I would just shift back to a browser in which I can maneuver easier. What's wrong with any of the ad blockers already out there, like, adblock? I think one objection against manually installing AdBlock (or other similar extensions) was that you make your TBB stand out from most other TBBs out there. If *all* TBBs had AdBlock or other standardized ad blocking software installed, that'd be a non-issue. -- With respect, Roman signature.asc Description: PGP signature -- tor-talk mailing list - tor-talk@lists.torproject.org To unsubscribe or change other settings go to https://lists.torproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/tor-talk
Re: [tor-talk] Ad Blocking Software
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