Re: [tor-talk] Don't use Google as default search in Tor Browser?
On 11/06/2011 03:05 PM, Julian Yon wrote: Personally I use DDG, partly because of privacy concerns and partly because I don't like the new-look Google. You can always do a Google search through DDG or Scroogle if you're feeling paranoid. DuckDuckGo's !bang queries are just redirects. You'll be sent to the normal Google page by using it. (Or the SSL page, depending on your settings.) signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature ___ tor-talk mailing list tor-talk@lists.torproject.org https://lists.torproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/tor-talk
Re: [tor-talk] Don't use Google as default search in Tor Browser?
On 11/5/2011 12:47 PM, Christian Siefkes wrote: Avoid Google is not among that warnings, as far as I can see. You are correct - not from Tor Project anyway. They also don't say avoid robbing banks; don't stare at the sun, etc. About all I can advise is, read Google's (lack of) privacy policy. If you like it, use them. If you'd rather not have your search terms recorded also used for targeted advertising, then use another search engine that doesn't use those practices. Your choice. Aurora in it's default state doesn't prevent pop up advertising, in my experience. As far I know, they offer to redirect your search to a different site if they detect that Google shows you a captcha. Correct. If you like Google's privacy policy general business practices, use them. ...but I don't see a reason why they should make it difficult for people to google if they want to do so. Best regards Christian You can use Google search if you want. The captchas are presented by Google. See this Tor FAQ https://www.torproject.org/docs/faq#GoogleCaptcha Tor provides a way around not having to enter the captcha (sometimes several times, if difficult to read), by offering a redirect. In latest TBB 2.2.34, I don't know where alternate search engines for Google captchas are located in the bundle files. I haven't yet been presented a Google captcha while using 2.2.34 - so don't know which default alternate search engine will be presented. If you want to use Google when a captcha appears, don't click redirect just enter the captcha. FYI for others interested in changing the default alternate search engine on a google captcha redirect, in about:config, type 'redir' in search box. The string: extensions.torbutton.google_redir_url will have a value like 5 (which is default for DuckDuckGo in mine). Below this string are the other search engines w/ the numeric url values shown for each. You can change the value from 5 (or what ever it shows) to a numeric value corresponding to other search engines. Mine shows the value '1' for Ixquick, etc.: extensions.torbutton.redir_url.1 https://www.ixquick.com/do/metasearch.pl?query= ___ tor-talk mailing list tor-talk@lists.torproject.org https://lists.torproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/tor-talk
Re: [tor-talk] Don't use Google as default search in Tor Browser?
On 06/11/11 19:38, Joe Btfsplk wrote: About all I can advise is, read Google's (lack of) privacy policy. If you like it, use them. If you'd rather not have your search terms recorded also used for targeted advertising, then use another search engine that doesn't use those practices. Google's tracking is of limited concern if you don't log in, and don't keep a long running browser session open. It takes less time to establish a Tor circuit over broadband than it used to take to connect by modem. Shut down TBB when not in use and you should be fine. I'm not saying there's no risk at all, but there's no reason why somebody who understands the risks shouldn't be able to use Google carefully. Personally I use DDG, partly because of privacy concerns and partly because I don't like the new-look Google. You can always do a Google search through DDG or Scroogle if you're feeling paranoid. On topic, I'd prefer DDG or Ixquick as the default search in TBB but we can't all have our preferences included. Julian -- 3072D/D2DE707D Julian Yon (2011 General Use) pgp.2...@jry.me signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature ___ tor-talk mailing list tor-talk@lists.torproject.org https://lists.torproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/tor-talk
Re: [tor-talk] Don't use Google as default search in Tor Browser?
I'm trying using yacy as a search distribuited engine, anyone knows something about it? does it works? ixquick and duckduckgo are web search engine not tor net search engine... bye AdD On Sun, 06 Nov 2011 13:38:55 -0600, Joe Btfsplk wrote: On 11/5/2011 12:47 PM, Christian Siefkes wrote: Avoid Google is not among that warnings, as far as I can see. You are correct - not from Tor Project anyway. They also don't say avoid robbing banks; don't stare at the sun, etc. About all I can advise is, read Google's (lack of) privacy policy. If you like it, use them. If you'd rather not have your search terms recorded also used for targeted advertising, then use another search engine that doesn't use those practices. Your choice. Aurora in it's default state doesn't prevent pop up advertising, in my experience. As far I know, they offer to redirect your search to a different site if they detect that Google shows you a captcha. Correct. If you like Google's privacy policy general business practices, use them. ...but I don't see a reason why they should make it difficult for people to google if they want to do so. Best regards Christian You can use Google search if you want. The captchas are presented by Google. See this Tor FAQ https://www.torproject.org/docs/faq#GoogleCaptcha Tor provides a way around not having to enter the captcha (sometimes several times, if difficult to read), by offering a redirect. In latest TBB 2.2.34, I don't know where alternate search engines for Google captchas are located in the bundle files. I haven't yet been presented a Google captcha while using 2.2.34 - so don't know which default alternate search engine will be presented. If you want to use Google when a captcha appears, don't click redirect just enter the captcha. FYI for others interested in changing the default alternate search engine on a google captcha redirect, in about:config, type 'redir' in search box. The string: extensions.torbutton.google_redir_url will have a value like 5 (which is default for DuckDuckGo in mine). Below this string are the other search engines w/ the numeric url values shown for each. You can change the value from 5 (or what ever it shows) to a numeric value corresponding to other search engines. Mine shows the value '1' for Ixquick, etc.: extensions.torbutton.redir_url.1 https://www.ixquick.com/do/metasearch.pl?query= ___ tor-talk mailing list tor-talk@lists.torproject.org https://lists.torproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/tor-talk ___ tor-talk mailing list tor-talk@lists.torproject.org https://lists.torproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/tor-talk
Re: [tor-talk] Don't use Google as default search in Tor Browser?
On 11/6/2011 2:05 PM, Julian Yon wrote: Personally I use DDG, partly because of privacy concerns and partly because I don't like the new-look Google. You can always do a Google search through DDG or Scroogle if you're feeling paranoid. On topic, I'd prefer DDG or Ixquick as the default search in TBB but we can't all have our preferences included. Julian I don't think Tor Project is going to make DDG or Ixquick the default search engine any more than Mozilla.org is. As you know, users can easily change their default search engine in Aurora (or Firefox) through manage search engines. Can also add others or delete some included by default. For any users that don't know how, there are tons of pages w/ detailed instructions (it's very easy). Just search for add [or delete] search engine +Firefox ___ tor-talk mailing list tor-talk@lists.torproject.org https://lists.torproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/tor-talk
Re: [tor-talk] Don't use Google as default search in Tor Browser?
On Sun, Nov 06, 2011 at 07:52:27PM +, audd wrote: I'm trying using yacy as a search distribuited engine, anyone knows something about it? does it works? It would be good to have yacy running in spider mode on as many freedom boxes as possible. However, this is Java, so it's probably too bloated for PogoPlug/DreamPlug type of devices. However, ARM embeddeds are making rapid progress in the performance department, so another year or two home appliances should be able to handle Yacy Co. ixquick and duckduckgo are web search engine not tor net search engine... -- Eugen* Leitl a href=http://leitl.org;leitl/a http://leitl.org __ ICBM: 48.07100, 11.36820 http://www.ativel.com http://postbiota.org 8B29F6BE: 099D 78BA 2FD3 B014 B08A 7779 75B0 2443 8B29 F6BE ___ tor-talk mailing list tor-talk@lists.torproject.org https://lists.torproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/tor-talk
Re: [tor-talk] Don't use Google as default search in Tor Browser?
On 11/04/2011 06:01 PM, Joe Btfsplk wrote: On 11/4/2011 9:54 AM, Christian Siefkes wrote: How should using Google as search engine comprise your anonymity? Either you're anonymous, then you're anonymous on Google too. Or you aren't anonymous, then avoiding Google won't help you. Christian, I'm not sure I understand your viewpoint, but... Assuming you mean ( / or for others' benefit), simply installing Tor or using Tor Browser gives complete anonymity, it in no way guarantees or even promises complete anonymity. Tor Project is very clear about this. Here's * one * page to start users to understand what's involved. Maybe you already knew this. https://www.torproject.org/download/download.html.en#Warning Avoid Google is not among that warnings, as far as I can see. But, no - there are many ways to * possibly * compromise anonymity while using Tor. Google searches are ONLY one, because they record search terms * any * possible info they can possibly squeeze out of your browser. If Google searches, when using Tor, weren't ANY kind of anonymity threat, the developers wouldn't have gone to substantial trouble to offer users a way to avoid them, when encountered. What do you mean? As far I know, they offer to redirect your search to a different site if they detect that Google shows you a captcha. Captchas are not an anonymity thread, but they are annoying. But they do go to substantial trouble to minimize the info that Google, or any other site, can squeeze out of my browser, and that's indeed essential. Google search engine records all search terms ANY other possible info about your browser, etc., they can possibly squeeze out. At the VERY least, some wouldn't want recorded their search terms certainly not the pages they visit after the search, whether using Tor or not. This is especially true if living in a repressive country. On the other hand, Google won't even know in which country you live (though they might to able to make an educated guess based on your search terms and page views), and they are able to track (as ANY site can) you only till you exit your browser or delete your cookies and click the Use a new identity button. I agree that it would be nice if the TBB had additional searchlets for privacy-friendly search engines such as DuckDuckGo pre-installed, but I don't see a reason why they should make it difficult for people to google if they want to do so. Best regards Christian -- |--- Dr. Christian Siefkes --- christ...@siefkes.net --- | Homepage: http://www.siefkes.net/ | Blog: http://www.keimform.de/ |Peer Production Everywhere: http://peerconomy.org/wiki/ |-- OpenPGP Key ID: 0x346452D8 -- If the meanings of true and false were switched, then this sentence would not be false. signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature ___ tor-talk mailing list tor-talk@lists.torproject.org https://lists.torproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/tor-talk
Re: [tor-talk] Don't use Google as default search in Tor Browser?
On 11/3/2011 3:53 AM, Advrk Aplmrkt wrote: On 2 November 2011 20:17, Julian Yonjul...@yon.org.uk wrote: As the GPL is one of the license options, there is no way that any contract or agreement between Google and Mozilla could possibly be binding on a third party. Mozilla do impose restrictions on use of their trademarks but as TBB uses the Aurora non-branding that isn't an issue. Julian I am inclined to consider the lack of privacy friendly default search engines in TBB as a bug. Yes removing Google as the default should be a trivial change. Could any of the developers comment on this? Thanks. Thanks Julian, That may be true. Still leaves Advrk's question why Google search is left in Aurora. My earlier posings are still unanswered (I certainly don't know the answers). A lot of effort is put into helping Tor / TBB users avoid compromising anonymity by using Google searches. Yet, the Google search engine is left in Aurora. It's a pretty simple question - why? No developers have commented - could be busy now. They do often comment on issues that possibly don't have as much impact on anonymity as this topic. If no one w/ * real * knowledge, comments on the reason(s) - (meaning, not just someone w/ a good theory) - then some would say, you have your answer. Google search engine is BIG business and big $. ___ tor-talk mailing list tor-talk@lists.torproject.org https://lists.torproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/tor-talk
Re: [tor-talk] Don't use Google as default search in Tor Browser?
On 11/04/2011 03:43 PM, Joe Btfsplk wrote: A lot of effort is put into helping Tor / TBB users avoid compromising anonymity by using Google searches. Yet, the Google search engine is left in Aurora. It's a pretty simple question - why? How should using Google as search engine comprise your anonymity? Either you're anonymous, then you're anonymous on Google too. Or you aren't anonymous, then avoiding Google won't help you. Best regards Christian -- |--- Dr. Christian Siefkes --- christ...@siefkes.net --- | Homepage: http://www.siefkes.net/ | Blog: http://www.keimform.de/ |Peer Production Everywhere: http://peerconomy.org/wiki/ |-- OpenPGP Key ID: 0x346452D8 -- Rome wasn't burnt in a day. signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature ___ tor-talk mailing list tor-talk@lists.torproject.org https://lists.torproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/tor-talk
Re: [tor-talk] Don't use Google as default search in Tor Browser?
On 11/4/2011 9:54 AM, Christian Siefkes wrote: On 11/04/2011 03:43 PM, Joe Btfsplk wrote: A lot of effort is put into helping Tor / TBB users avoid compromising anonymity by using Google searches. Yet, the Google search engine is left in Aurora. It's a pretty simple question - why? How should using Google as search engine comprise your anonymity? Either you're anonymous, then you're anonymous on Google too. Or you aren't anonymous, then avoiding Google won't help you. Christian, I'm not sure I understand your viewpoint, but... Assuming you mean ( / or for others' benefit), simply installing Tor or using Tor Browser gives complete anonymity, it in no way guarantees or even promises complete anonymity. Tor Project is very clear about this. Here's * one * page to start users to understand what's involved. Maybe you already knew this. https://www.torproject.org/download/download.html.en#Warning But, no - there are many ways to * possibly * compromise anonymity while using Tor. Google searches are ONLY one, because they record search terms * any * possible info they can possibly squeeze out of your browser. If Google searches, when using Tor, weren't ANY kind of anonymity threat, the developers wouldn't have gone to substantial trouble to offer users a way to avoid them, when encountered. Google search engine records all search terms ANY other possible info about your browser, etc., they can possibly squeeze out. At the VERY least, some wouldn't want recorded their search terms certainly not the pages they visit after the search, whether using Tor or not. This is especially true if living in a repressive country. Why can't Tor be a complete solution to all anonymity problems? Because it's impossible for ANY one or entity to idiot proof anything, 100%. No matter what you're dealing w/, or how safe it's been made, someone will always find a way to shoot themselves in the foot. ___ tor-talk mailing list tor-talk@lists.torproject.org https://lists.torproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/tor-talk
Re: [tor-talk] Don't use Google as default search in Tor Browser?
On Fri, Nov 4, 2011 at 10:54 AM, Christian Siefkes christ...@siefkes.net wrote: How should using Google as search engine comprise your anonymity? Either you're anonymous, then you're anonymous on Google too. Or you aren't anonymous, then avoiding Google won't help you. Anonymity is not an either or thing. If it were tor would provide little value indeed because being completely anonymous while actually doing anything important is almost impossibly difficult— everything you do leaks information. ___ tor-talk mailing list tor-talk@lists.torproject.org https://lists.torproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/tor-talk
Re: [tor-talk] Don't use Google as default search in Tor Browser?
On 2 November 2011 20:17, Julian Yon jul...@yon.org.uk wrote: On 02/11/11 23:32, Joe Btfsplk wrote: I have no concrete knowledge if it would violate any Mozilla agreements. As the GPL is one of the license options, there is no way that any contract or agreement between Google and Mozilla could possibly be binding on a third party. Mozilla do impose restrictions on use of their trademarks but as TBB uses the Aurora non-branding that isn't an issue. Julian I am inclined to consider the lack of privacy friendly default search engines in TBB as a bug. Yes removing Google as the default should be a trivial change. Could any of the developers comment on this? Thanks. ___ tor-talk mailing list tor-talk@lists.torproject.org https://lists.torproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/tor-talk
Re: [tor-talk] Don't use Google as default search in Tor Browser?
Joe Btfsplk joebtfs...@gmx.com 於 2011/11/2 12:06 寫道： On 11/1/2011 8:23 PM, Advrk Aplmkt wrote: Thanks Joe for the info. Yes, I *do* know how to remove search engines, including the method you described. However, I was suggesting that Google (and probably some of the other defaults) be not in the TBB to begin with, or at least not the default. I believe this would make TBB more consistent in providing a private browsing experience. I agree, Advrk. I hinted at the same in my reply. I wonder if this would violate some Mozilla agreement, since they get a large amt of $ from Google from including Google search as default search engine? (No such thing as a free lunch). Wasn't indicating any presence or lack of ability on your part to del search engines, just providing general info for anyone that might be interested. No need to indicate being personally offended by the bolded text. Most are here to offer helpful suggestions that may help many - not just OP, not to offend people. Cheers, Hi Joe, I definitely didn't take offense, and I apologise for sounding that way. In fact I really appreciate how informative this list is. :) As for the search engine, would it still violate Mozilla/Google agreements if the default search engine is changed by the Tor Browser packagers (and not by Mozilla)? And I thought Aurora is already Firefox minus Mozilla branding anyway? ___ tor-talk mailing list tor-talk@lists.torproject.org https://lists.torproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/tor-talk
Re: [tor-talk] Don't use Google as default search in Tor Browser?
On 02/11/11 23:32, Joe Btfsplk wrote: I have no concrete knowledge if it would violate any Mozilla agreements. As the GPL is one of the license options, there is no way that any contract or agreement between Google and Mozilla could possibly be binding on a third party. Mozilla do impose restrictions on use of their trademarks but as TBB uses the Aurora non-branding that isn't an issue. Julian -- 3072D/D2DE707D Julian Yon (2011 General Use) pgp.2...@jry.me signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature ___ tor-talk mailing list tor-talk@lists.torproject.org https://lists.torproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/tor-talk
Re: [tor-talk] Don't use Google as default search in Tor Browser?
On 11/2/2011 4:40 PM, Advrk Aplmkt wrote: Joe Btfsplk joebtfs...@gmx.com 於 2011/11/2 12:06 寫道： On 11/1/2011 8:23 PM, Advrk Aplmkt wrote: Thanks Joe for the info. Yes, I *do* know how to remove search engines, including the method you described. However, I was suggesting that Google (and probably some of the other defaults) be not in the TBB to begin with, or at least not the default. I believe this would make TBB more consistent in providing a private browsing experience. I agree, Advrk. I hinted at the same in my reply. I wonder if this would violate some Mozilla agreement, since they get a large amt of $ from Google from including Google search as default search engine? (No such thing as a free lunch). Wasn't indicating any presence or lack of ability on your part to del search engines, just providing general info for anyone that might be interested. No need to indicate being personally offended by the bolded text. Most are here to offer helpful suggestions that may help many - not just OP, not to offend people. Cheers, Hi Joe, I definitely didn't take offense, and I apologise for sounding that way. In fact I really appreciate how informative this list is. :) As for the search engine, would it still violate Mozilla/Google agreements if the default search engine is changed by the Tor Browser packagers (and not by Mozilla)? And I thought Aurora is already Firefox minus Mozilla branding anyway? I have no concrete knowledge if it would violate any Mozilla agreements. I was just thinking out loud. But (all Firefox / Aurora users) can make other search engines the default just by moving another to the top of the list via Manage Search Engines. It's odd (to me) that the TBB developers take actions to avoid using Google for searches, but leave Google search engine in Aurora at all, unless there's good reason. Even if left out, users might add it back (why, I don't know). If they did, that would still require the redirect option to avoid Google. None of the developers have weighed in, so no telling. Maybe they never thought about removing it? Developers? Nothing's 100%, but detectives / investigative reporters often say, Follow the money, to get to the truth. Mozilla's very lucrative involvement with Google is no secret. It wasn't widely publicized for a good while. How or if that affects others modifying Firefox, no idea. I'm not accusing anyone of anything, but one thought is, if Tor Project isn't forbidden from taking Google search out they're receiving no revenue / consideration for leaving it in (even if they provide a way around using Google), what's the point of leaving it in, when so many other things that can compromise anonymity are excluded or disabled in Aurora? I would guess a fair # of less informed Tor / TBB users don't choose the redirect me option on Tor's Google captcha pop up, or don't fully understand why it appears. After all, they're used to seeing Google as the search engine on virtually every Windows machine they've used. Regards, ___ tor-talk mailing list tor-talk@lists.torproject.org https://lists.torproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/tor-talk
Re: [tor-talk] Don't use Google as default search in Tor Browser?
On Tuesday, November 01, 2011 10:13:44 Joe Btfsplk wrote: *** BUT, on a 2nd SEARCH, w/ Google still selected as search engine, TBB does NOT show the screen, asking if you'd like to redirect to another search engine. SEEMS like a BUG. I tried various ways to get TBB to present the do you want to redirect to another search engine again, after the 1st search in a session, but couldn't get it to (if didn't check make this permanent). Not sure why developers leave Google search in, but the search plugins listed below are default ones in Firefox. You told torbutton you didn't want to redirect, so it doesn't for the rest of the session. If you restart firefox/aurora, it should prompt you again on a google captcha. You can also control this behaviour by right clicking torbutton, choosing preferences, going to Security Settings, and clicking the Headers tab. The last check box will let you automatically (or not) redirect on google captcha. Looking at included search plugins in TBB 2.2.34, search plugins included by default are Amazon, Ebay, Bing, Google, Wikipedia, Yahoo. It's the stock set of plugins that ship with Firefox. -- Andrew pgp 0x74ED336B ___ tor-talk mailing list tor-talk@lists.torproject.org https://lists.torproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/tor-talk
Re: [tor-talk] Don't use Google as default search in Tor Browser?
On 11/1/2011 10:49 AM, Andrew Lewman wrote: On Tuesday, November 01, 2011 10:13:44 Joe Btfsplk wrote: *** BUT, on a 2nd SEARCH, w/ Google still selected as search engine, TBB does NOT show the screen, asking if you'd like to redirect to another search engine. You told torbutton you didn't want to redirect, so it doesn't for the rest of the session. No, I didn't. I told it * TO * redirect (which it did), I just didn't click the make it permanent box. By my thinking, the only way that notice should NOT have appeared again, during same session, is if I DID check the make it permanent box. Then it would automatically redirect each time. I told it to redirect once, w/o checking the make it permanent box. The next search thru Google, no pop up asking to redirect or not. Looking at included search plugins in TBB 2.2.34, search plugins included by default are Amazon, Ebay, Bing, Google, Wikipedia, Yahoo. It's the stock set of plugins that ship with Firefox. That's what I said. ___ tor-talk mailing list tor-talk@lists.torproject.org https://lists.torproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/tor-talk
Re: [tor-talk] Don't use Google as default search in Tor Browser?
Thanks Joe for the info. Yes, I *do* know how to remove search engines, including the method you described. However, I was suggesting that Google (and probably some of the other defaults) be not in the TBB to begin with, or at least not the default. I believe this would make TBB more consistent in providing a private browsing experience. Joe Btfsplk joebtfs...@gmx.com 於 2011/11/1 10:13 寫道： On 10/30/2011 8:05 PM, Advrk Aplmrkt wrote: Hello, It occurred to me that the recent version of the Tor Browser Bundle uses Google as its default search engine. However, as we all know very well, Google actively tracks its users. Despite the fact the the whole point of Tor, and indeed the functionality the Tor Browser provides, improves anonymity, would it be better to switch to another default search engine? This may be DuckDuckGo, Scroogle, or others Thanks! Of course, you can always del the Google search plugin from TBB folder Tor Browser\FirefoxPortable\App\Firefox\searchplugins. When I type in search term in w/ Google selected as current search engine in TBB, ON THE * 1ST SEARCH ATTEMPT * w/ Google selected in search engine box, it pops up a msg saying, Torbutton has detected a Google captcha. Would you like to be redirected to another search engine for this query? - as has been Tor behavior for long time. There's also a box to make this action permanent. *** BUT, on a 2nd SEARCH, w/ Google still selected as search engine, TBB does NOT show the screen, asking if you'd like to redirect to another search engine. SEEMS like a BUG. I tried various ways to get TBB to present the do you want to redirect to another search engine again, after the 1st search in a session, but couldn't get it to (if didn't check make this permanent). Not sure why developers leave Google search in, but the search plugins listed below are default ones in Firefox. In my version of TBB, chooses to redirect from a Google captcha, automatically offers duckduckgo, when in about:config, because the DEFAULT setting for redirect engine to use is: extensions.torbutton.google_redir_url * 5,* meaning the DEFAULT selection for redirection is # 5 url (duckduckgo, in my case), not url 1 (Ixquick). Other than developers choice, no idea why # 5 url (duckduckgo) is selected by default. The pop up screen to redirect should really give users options to choose from the several alternate search engines. AFAIK, only way now is to alter about:config entry: extensions.torbutton.google_redir_url 5 to a values corresponding to the search engine desired. I'd rather they not make Google the default selected search engine. Make Google searches an opt in vs opt out. In TBB about: config, browser.default.searchenginename is set = Google. Not sure why. Looking at included search plugins in TBB 2.2.34, search plugins included by default are Amazon, Ebay, Bing, Google, Wikipedia, Yahoo. You can del them from the searchplugins folder, or just not use them. Ixquick (which for a while was the one Tor redirected Google searches to) is another that doesn't log users' searches. https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/ixquick-https-privacy-search-e/?src=search Ixquick, Scroogle, DuckDuckGo, Wikipedia are all available in SSL / HTTPS plugins from Mozilla. ___ tor-talk mailing list tor-talk@lists.torproject.org https://lists.torproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/tor-talk
