Re: [tor-talk] Open Source Router
On 11/27/2013 04:59 PM, Ed Fletcher wrote: > There has been lots of discussion on this list about the Safeplug, which > didn't garner much enthusiasm from the list members. I haven't seen > this project mentioned: > > http://www.orp1.com/ > > An open-source software and hardware router for Tor, vpn, etc. Being > open-source, it eliminates a lot of the concerns expressed about the > Safeplug. The downside is it costs US$400. It's being crowd-funded via > Indigogo and they are seeking $200,000 to get it going. I really don't > know if they will be successful or not. Too early to tell. > > It seems to me that a project similar to DD-WRT but specifically aimed > at providing Tor would be a _lot_ less expensive. > > What I do find encouraging is the number of Tor related projects that > are springing up in the aftermath of the NSA revelations. I've found that pfSense works well as a Tor gateway. But I haven't taken the time yet to tighten pf rules, or attempt building the latest Tor release in FreeBSD. -- tor-talk mailing list - tor-talk@lists.torproject.org To unsubscribe or change other settings go to https://lists.torproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/tor-talk
Re: [tor-talk] Open Source Router
On Wed, 27 Nov 2013 17:59:39 -0600 Ed Fletcher wrote: > There has been lots of discussion on this list about the Safeplug, which > didn't garner much enthusiasm from the list members. I haven't seen > this project mentioned: > > http://www.orp1.com/ > > An open-source software and hardware router for Tor, vpn, etc. Being > open-source, it eliminates a lot of the concerns expressed about the > Safeplug. The downside is it costs US$400. You can make yourself an open-source router by flashing OpenWRT to any of the hundreds of OpenWRT's supported models. Or if you are really serious and by "open source router" mean it also must be Open Hardware, then there should be still much cheaper options available. For example this board[1], can be combined with any VLAN-capable switch and act as a perfectly capable router (although this particular model does not have gigabit LAN). [1] http://olimex.wordpress.com/2013/11/14/a10-olinuxino-lime-eur-30-open-source-hardware-linux-sbc-first-prototypes/ -- With respect, Roman signature.asc Description: PGP signature -- tor-talk mailing list - tor-talk@lists.torproject.org To unsubscribe or change other settings go to https://lists.torproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/tor-talk
Re: [tor-talk] Open Source Router
On 11/27/2013 15:59, Ed Fletcher wrote: There has been lots of discussion on this list about the Safeplug, which didn't garner much enthusiasm from the list members. I haven't seen this project mentioned: http://www.orp1.com/ I think this very model buy-and-use isn't compatible with security because, as it was discussed before, there can be no proof of firmware being built from the particular source. So such simple commercial usage model can only rely on the authority of manufacturer, which in the modern world it can't realistically have. Once you deviate from this buy-and-use model and move on to buy-reinstall-use, the first question is why would anybody even use the open sources of this manufacturer? Or even why whould anybody even use this hardware at all? You can just install OpenWRT or dd-wrt and tor on one of many existing router hardware be better off. All firmwares of particular manufacturers I saw were horrible, and also not-rooted. And there is no indication what the HW specs and price will be. Generally, unless router hardware is truly open source (and again how can this really be?), tor run on the computer is much more secure IMO. Yuri -- tor-talk mailing list - tor-talk@lists.torproject.org To unsubscribe or change other settings go to https://lists.torproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/tor-talk
Re: [tor-talk] Open Source Router
On Thu, Nov 28, 2013 at 12:27:40AM -0800, y...@rawbw.com wrote 1.3K bytes in 0 lines about: : Generally, unless router hardware is truly open source (and again : how can this really be?), tor run on the computer is much more : secure IMO. Make an open source hardware/firmware like this, http://www.bunniestudios.com/blog/?p=2686 -- Andrew http://tpo.is/contact pgp 0x6B4D6475 -- tor-talk mailing list - tor-talk@lists.torproject.org To unsubscribe or change other settings go to https://lists.torproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/tor-talk
Re: [tor-talk] Open Source Router
On 27/11/2013 6:27 PM, Mirimir wrote: On 11/27/2013 04:59 PM, Ed Fletcher wrote: There has been lots of discussion on this list about the Safeplug, which didn't garner much enthusiasm from the list members. I haven't seen this project mentioned: http://www.orp1.com/ An open-source software and hardware router for Tor, vpn, etc. Being open-source, it eliminates a lot of the concerns expressed about the Safeplug. The downside is it costs US$400. It's being crowd-funded via Indigogo and they are seeking $200,000 to get it going. I really don't know if they will be successful or not. Too early to tell. It seems to me that a project similar to DD-WRT but specifically aimed at providing Tor would be a _lot_ less expensive. What I do find encouraging is the number of Tor related projects that are springing up in the aftermath of the NSA revelations. I've found that pfSense works well as a Tor gateway. But I haven't taken the time yet to tighten pf rules, or attempt building the latest Tor release in FreeBSD. Some years ago I used a computer as a router. No hard disk inside, booted off a write-protected floppy with Coyote Linux on it. It worked fine but it sucked electricity and made way too much noise. So I like the small dedicated routers, just not for $400. Ed -- Ed Fletcher "If you are not paying for it, you're not the customer; you're the product being sold." -- Andrew Lewis, August 26, 2010 -- tor-talk mailing list - tor-talk@lists.torproject.org To unsubscribe or change other settings go to https://lists.torproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/tor-talk
Re: [tor-talk] Open Source Router
On 27/11/2013 10:25 PM, Roman Mamedov wrote: On Wed, 27 Nov 2013 17:59:39 -0600 Ed Fletcher wrote: There has been lots of discussion on this list about the Safeplug, which didn't garner much enthusiasm from the list members. I haven't seen this project mentioned: http://www.orp1.com/ An open-source software and hardware router for Tor, vpn, etc. Being open-source, it eliminates a lot of the concerns expressed about the Safeplug. The downside is it costs US$400. You can make yourself an open-source router by flashing OpenWRT to any of the hundreds of OpenWRT's supported models. Or if you are really serious and by "open source router" mean it also must be Open Hardware, then there should be still much cheaper options available. For example this board[1], can be combined with any VLAN-capable switch and act as a perfectly capable router (although this particular model does not have gigabit LAN). [1] http://olimex.wordpress.com/2013/11/14/a10-olinuxino-lime-eur-30-open-source-hardware-linux-sbc-first-prototypes/ I haven't looked at OpenWRT in quite a while. I'll take another look at it. Thanks for the pointer. I also have a Raspberry Pi that is currently, um, underutilized. The lack of Gigabit ethernet isn't an issue on the external connection. Ed -- Ed Fletcher "If you are not paying for it, you're not the customer; you're the product being sold." -- Andrew Lewis, August 26, 2010 -- tor-talk mailing list - tor-talk@lists.torproject.org To unsubscribe or change other settings go to https://lists.torproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/tor-talk
Re: [tor-talk] Open Source Router
On 29.11.2013, at 18:18, Ed Fletcher wrote: > small dedicated routers I've made very good experience with PC-Engines ALIX[0] boards running pfSense[1] as firewall/router OS. Especially the ALIX 2D3/2D13 are very suitable. Passive cooling and completely silent. You may also want to have a look at Mikrotik Routerboard[2] and Soekris[3]. [0]:http://pcengines.ch "PC-Engines" [1]:http://pfsense.org "pfSense" [2]:http://routerboard.com "Mikrotik" [3]:http://soekris.com "Soekris Engineering" Best regards MacLemon -- tor-talk mailing list - tor-talk@lists.torproject.org To unsubscribe or change other settings go to https://lists.torproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/tor-talk
