Re: [tor-talk] Restarting Firefox
On Mon, Apr 16, 2012 at 9:45 PM, Andrew Lewman and...@torproject.is wrote: The browser bundle is for tor clients, not relays. If you want to run a relay, on unixes, then install tor and configure it as a relay. We make an assumption that if you are running some sort of unix, you can handle your package management system, or compile from source, and edit the torrc file. You should easily be able to run both TBB and tor as a relay on your system. TBB on linux and osx randomizes controlport and socksport to avoid conflicts with tor's configured as a daemon via torrc. I can do all these things and more, but I prefer GUI. Many Linux distributions are moving away from hard-core geek approach, but at the same time even on distros like Ubuntu you can still do everything the old way. As I said: I'm new to Tor and I thought because Vidalia includes the option to run relay this must be the right way to do it. Anyway, I found a solution that works for me. Thank you guys... ___ tor-talk mailing list tor-talk@lists.torproject.org https://lists.torproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/tor-talk
Re: [tor-talk] Restarting Firefox
It is really weird, that Vidalia closes by default, when you close Firefox. There is no option to change that. It does not make sense, if people are expected, to enable contributing to the Tor network using Vidalia. No one can be expected to leave Firefox running 24/7. Do we have a ticket about this issue? In meanwhile I did setup a workaround for your issue. Please test and leave feedback. https://trac.torproject.org/projects/tor/wiki/doc/TorifyHOWTO/WebBrowsers#LeaveVidaliaRunningwhileclosingFirefoxTorBrowserUNTESTED Wait if better answers come. (Perhaps I have overseen the option.) Greetings, I'm a newbie in Onionland—I installed TBB on my Linux machine 2 days ago—and I have a question: My computer is old and I can't afford to run Firefox non-stop, so I close it when I don't use it and leave Vidalia running (I have a relay set up). When I try to run Firefox again from tor-browser_en-US/App/Firefox/ directory by clicking on firefox executable, it fails to run. If I run it in terminal like this .App/Firefox/firefox -no-remote -profile ./Data/profile/ it opens successfully, but I get the following message: *The proxy server is refusing connections. Firefox is configured to use a proxy server that is refusing connections.* So how should I start the browser correctly when Vidalia is already running? Thanks! Agapetos ___ tor-talk mailing list tor-talk@lists.torproject.org https://lists.torproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/tor-talk __ powered by Secure-Mail.biz - anonymous and secure e-mail accounts. ___ tor-talk mailing list tor-talk@lists.torproject.org https://lists.torproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/tor-talk
Re: [tor-talk] Restarting Firefox
On Mon, 16 Apr 2012 11:45:54 +0200 Agapetos agapetos.typho...@gmail.com wrote: My computer is old and I can't afford to run Firefox non-stop, so I close it when I don't use it and leave Vidalia running (I have a relay set up). When I try to run Firefox again from tor-browser_en-US/App/Firefox/ directory by clicking on firefox executable, it fails to run. If I run it in terminal like this .App/Firefox/firefox -no-remote -profile ./Data/profile/ it opens successfully, but I get the following message: *The proxy server is refusing connections. Firefox is configured to use a proxy server that is refusing connections.* So how should I start the browser correctly when Vidalia is already running? The only safe way to start TBB is to run 'start-tor-browser'. Any other method will cause TBB to be in some odd state. For some reason on linux, when closing firefox, it doesn't kill vidalia. On osx and windows, closing firefox correctly closes vidalia. -- Andrew http://tpo.is/contact pgp 0x6B4D6475 ___ tor-talk mailing list tor-talk@lists.torproject.org https://lists.torproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/tor-talk
Re: [tor-talk] Restarting Firefox
The only safe way to start TBB is to run 'start-tor-browser'. Any other method will cause TBB to be in some odd state. Can you expand this please? Odd state in sense of no functionality or negative implications on anonymity? __ powered by Secure-Mail.biz - anonymous and secure e-mail accounts. ___ tor-talk mailing list tor-talk@lists.torproject.org https://lists.torproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/tor-talk
Re: [tor-talk] Restarting Firefox
Hmm... I'm a bit sad to hear that because it's very inconvenient for some of us to run Firefox 24/7 just because we'd like to help the network with relaying. Perhaps in the future you will make it a bit more user-friendly in this regard. ___ tor-talk mailing list tor-talk@lists.torproject.org https://lists.torproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/tor-talk
Re: [tor-talk] Restarting Firefox
On Mon, Apr 16, 2012 at 2:41 PM, pro...@secure-mail.biz wrote: In meanwhile I did setup a workaround for your issue. Please test and leave feedback. https://trac.torproject.org/projects/tor/wiki/doc/TorifyHOWTO/WebBrowsers#LeaveVidaliaRunningwhileclosingFirefoxTorBrowserUNTESTED OK, I just tried this and it seems to be working. I installed Tor and Vidalia from official Tor Ubuntu repository (deb http://deb.torproject.org/torproject.org DISTRIBUTION main) and I'm using browser from TBB package. ___ tor-talk mailing list tor-talk@lists.torproject.org https://lists.torproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/tor-talk
Re: [tor-talk] Restarting Firefox
I'm sorry because I haven't read the entire conversation up until now, but if people are using Ubuntu, what is stopping them from doing sudo apt-get install tor; configuring relaying in torrc and using the Firefox/Aurora/whichever browser from TBB (would need to change the listen port, etc.)? tor can run as a daemon; furthermore, you'd have such tools as *torify *so you could just do torify wget http://something or whatever. I think it's more versatile/flexible this way, no? if I'm 'out of my element', sorry :) On Mon, Apr 16, 2012 at 6:16 PM, Agapetos agapetos.typho...@gmail.comwrote: On Mon, Apr 16, 2012 at 2:41 PM, pro...@secure-mail.biz wrote: In meanwhile I did setup a workaround for your issue. Please test and leave feedback. https://trac.torproject.org/projects/tor/wiki/doc/TorifyHOWTO/WebBrowsers#LeaveVidaliaRunningwhileclosingFirefoxTorBrowserUNTESTED OK, I just tried this and it seems to be working. I installed Tor and Vidalia from official Tor Ubuntu repository (deb http://deb.torproject.org/torproject.org DISTRIBUTION main) and I'm using browser from TBB package. ___ tor-talk mailing list tor-talk@lists.torproject.org https://lists.torproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/tor-talk ___ tor-talk mailing list tor-talk@lists.torproject.org https://lists.torproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/tor-talk
Re: [tor-talk] Restarting Firefox
I'm sorry because I haven't read the entire conversation up until now, but if people are using Ubuntu, what is stopping them from doing sudo apt-get install tor; Will conflict with Tor Browser Bundle. (SocksPort on same port.) configuring relaying in torrc Vidalia was made for less technical users, to help them to make those adjustments with a gui. We shouldn't got back to times telling edit torrc. and using the Firefox/Aurora/whichever browser from TBB (would need to change the listen port, etc.)? Complicated again. Instructions required to do so, that's the reason for this thread. The current state is not really desired. __ powered by Secure-Mail.biz - anonymous and secure e-mail accounts. ___ tor-talk mailing list tor-talk@lists.torproject.org https://lists.torproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/tor-talk
Re: [tor-talk] Restarting Firefox
Ok, understandable. then again, SocksPort is just one line.. I mean one could write a simple script and publish it for such users (which I might do in order to stop this drooling of mine); one finds the line, and changes the port number. Problem #1 solved? For relaying, it is a matter of uncommenting, i.e. removing two hashes from the beginning - two to ~five lines, depending on preference. Any interest for a program that reads config from torrc, displays in a simplistic GUI, and lets the user change options? On Mon, Apr 16, 2012 at 7:43 PM, pro...@secure-mail.biz wrote: I'm sorry because I haven't read the entire conversation up until now, but if people are using Ubuntu, what is stopping them from doing sudo apt-get install tor; Will conflict with Tor Browser Bundle. (SocksPort on same port.) configuring relaying in torrc Vidalia was made for less technical users, to help them to make those adjustments with a gui. We shouldn't got back to times telling edit torrc. and using the Firefox/Aurora/whichever browser from TBB (would need to change the listen port, etc.)? Complicated again. Instructions required to do so, that's the reason for this thread. The current state is not really desired. __ powered by Secure-Mail.biz - anonymous and secure e-mail accounts. ___ tor-talk mailing list tor-talk@lists.torproject.org https://lists.torproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/tor-talk ___ tor-talk mailing list tor-talk@lists.torproject.org https://lists.torproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/tor-talk
Re: [tor-talk] Restarting Firefox
On Mon, Apr 16, 2012 at 9:39 AM, Andrew Lewman and...@torproject.is wrote: For some reason on linux, when closing firefox, it doesn't kill vidalia. On osx and windows, closing firefox correctly closes vidalia. Just a correction: On OS X 10.6.8 Vidalia remains open when I quite the TBB FireFox. best, Joe -- Joseph Lorenzo Hall Postdoctoral Research Fellow Media, Culture and Communication New York University https://josephhall.org/ ___ tor-talk mailing list tor-talk@lists.torproject.org https://lists.torproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/tor-talk
Re: [tor-talk] Restarting Firefox
I think this should work: 1) Remove the lines: BrowserDirectory=. BrowserExecutable=firefox from Data/Vidalia/vidalia.conf 2) Add the line SocksPort 9050 to Data/Tor/torrc 3)./App/Firefox/firefox -P no-remote and create and run a new profile with Data/profile as the directory On Mon, Apr 16, 2012 at 11:20 AM, Joseph Lorenzo Hall joeh...@gmail.comwrote: On Mon, Apr 16, 2012 at 9:39 AM, Andrew Lewman and...@torproject.is wrote: For some reason on linux, when closing firefox, it doesn't kill vidalia. On osx and windows, closing firefox correctly closes vidalia. Just a correction: On OS X 10.6.8 Vidalia remains open when I quite the TBB FireFox. best, Joe -- Joseph Lorenzo Hall Postdoctoral Research Fellow Media, Culture and Communication New York University https://josephhall.org/ ___ tor-talk mailing list tor-talk@lists.torproject.org https://lists.torproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/tor-talk ___ tor-talk mailing list tor-talk@lists.torproject.org https://lists.torproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/tor-talk
Re: [tor-talk] Restarting Firefox
I don't think that's a clean and easy solution. Your tool laying around on some third party server and barely anyone being aware and using it. Possible solutions: - As a intermediate fix: Simply change the Windows behavior, not to close Vidalia/Tor when Firefox is terminated. (Like already on Linux and OSX.) - Add an option to Vidalia Do not close Vidalia/Tor, when Tor Browser gets terminated. - Or simply provide two start scripts: start-tor-browser-bundle; start-vidalia-tor. The two start scripts seem the most easy and clean solution to me. One could (auto)start start-vidalia-tor for relaying (or SocksPort for other applications). And start tor-browser later. Finally close tor-browser and keep Vidalia/Tor running. Ok, understandable. then again, SocksPort is just one line.. I mean one could write a simple script and publish it for such users (which I might do in order to stop this drooling of mine); one finds the line, and changes the port number. Problem #1 solved? For relaying, it is a matter of uncommenting, i.e. removing two hashes from the beginning - two to ~five lines, depending on preference. Any interest for a program that reads config from torrc, displays in a simplistic GUI, and lets the user change options? On Mon, Apr 16, 2012 at 7:43 PM, pro...@secure-mail.biz wrote: I'm sorry because I haven't read the entire conversation up until now, but if people are using Ubuntu, what is stopping them from doing sudo apt-get install tor; Will conflict with Tor Browser Bundle. (SocksPort on same port.) configuring relaying in torrc Vidalia was made for less technical users, to help them to make those adjustments with a gui. We shouldn't got back to times telling edit torrc. and using the Firefox/Aurora/whichever browser from TBB (would need to change the listen port, etc.)? Complicated again. Instructions required to do so, that's the reason for this thread. The current state is not really desired. __ powered by Secure-Mail.biz - anonymous and secure e-mail accounts. ___ tor-talk mailing list tor-talk@lists.torproject.org https://lists.torproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/tor-talk
Re: [tor-talk] Restarting Firefox
On 4/16/2012 12:58 PM, AK wrote: I think this should work: 1) Remove the lines: BrowserDirectory=. BrowserExecutable=firefox from Data/Vidalia/vidalia.conf 2) Add the line SocksPort 9050 to Data/Tor/torrc 3)./App/Firefox/firefox -P no-remote and create and run a new profile with Data/profile as the directory On Mon, Apr 16, 2012 at 11:20 AM, Joseph Lorenzo Halljoeh...@gmail.comwrote: On Mon, Apr 16, 2012 at 9:39 AM, Andrew Lewmanand...@torproject.is wrote: For some reason on linux, when closing firefox, it doesn't kill vidalia. On osx and windows, closing firefox correctly closes vidalia. Just a correction: On OS X 10.6.8 Vidalia remains open when I quite the TBB FireFox. best, Joe Thanks for the hack to try run Tor / Vidalia w/o keeping Tor browser open. Don't know in it'll work for Win, but may try it. Note: this subject of being able to close the browser from TBB not automatically close Tor, was discussed at length a few months ago, on the list. Mike Perry weighed in seemed to think was a good idea, but haven't seen anything mentioned since. I think a great many users would have a need to keep Tor running in background, but don't want to constantly have the browser running (or don't have enough memory, want to clear the browser, etc.). What do others think about an option to close the browser w/o automatically closing Tor / Vidalia, so some apps other uses could still run under Tor? They've stressed that the safest thing for most users now is to * use the TBB, * but that's locked users into always having the browser open. ___ tor-talk mailing list tor-talk@lists.torproject.org https://lists.torproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/tor-talk
Re: [tor-talk] Restarting Firefox
On Mon, 16 Apr 2012 16:43:23 +0200 Agapetos agapetos.typho...@gmail.com wrote: Hmm... I'm a bit sad to hear that because it's very inconvenient for some of us to run Firefox 24/7 just because we'd like to help the network with relaying. Perhaps in the future you will make it a bit more user-friendly in this regard. The browser bundle is for tor clients, not relays. If you want to run a relay, on unixes, then install tor and configure it as a relay. We make an assumption that if you are running some sort of unix, you can handle your package management system, or compile from source, and edit the torrc file. You should easily be able to run both TBB and tor as a relay on your system. TBB on linux and osx randomizes controlport and socksport to avoid conflicts with tor's configured as a daemon via torrc. If you are on Windows, we don't have a solution yet for running TBB and Tor as a service. Well, to be more clear, we have the solution in randomizing ports, but Windows' anti-virus/anti-malware programs think tor is malware in this state for some silly reason. So because of these anti-user programs, Windows' users suffer for now. -- Andrew http://tpo.is/contact pgp 0x6B4D6475 ___ tor-talk mailing list tor-talk@lists.torproject.org https://lists.torproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/tor-talk
Re: [tor-talk] Restarting Firefox
We make an assumption that if you are running some sort of unix, you can handle your package management system, or compile from source, and edit the torrc file. No good assumption. Using unix doesn't make you a geek. Ubuntu is one of the most widespread AND newbie friendly distribution. Computers come preinstalled with Ubuntu. If you are on Windows, we don't have a solution yet for running TBB and Tor as a service. Well, to be more clear, we have the solution in randomizing ports, but Windows' anti-virus/anti-malware programs think tor is malware in this state for some silly reason. So because of these anti-user programs, Windows' users suffer for now. Why does it have to be a random port? Why not pick a fixed one? TBB and Tor could use different ports by default. __ powered by Secure-Mail.biz - anonymous and secure e-mail accounts. ___ tor-talk mailing list tor-talk@lists.torproject.org https://lists.torproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/tor-talk
