Re: [tor-talk] Tor in Russia, blocked from Nov 1st?

[Leonid Evdokimov]

On Mon, Oct 16, 2017 at 11:16:45PM +0300, xxx wrote:
> Seems that TOR will be blocked from Nov 1st in Russia. Any info on
> this? In such a case, will it be possible to use Tor through "bridges"?

Please, s/TOR/Tor/ ;-)

Also, there is an interesting point regarding blocking Tor in Russia
legally. As far as I understand, some entity representing tor network
should get an official letter from Russian government regarding
providing services to Russian users and requirement to implement
filtering in the network.

As far as I understand (I'm not a lawyer), it's impossible to ban the
service _legally_ without delivering alike letter. Legal definition of
letter "delivery" is also somewhat tricky as tor network is operated by
relay operators, not by The Tor Project Inc. Asking The Tor Project Inc
(non-profit doing software development) is like asking firmware vendors
(Linux kernel? Cisco and Huawei? I don't know the right analogy) to
implement Russian blocklist in their firmware instead of asking Russian
ISPs to comply.

I'm unsure if there is such a thing as "entity representing tor
network". I can't even imagine anything better than public mailing list
of relay operators (tor-relays@ is declared as support, not a NOG,
network operator group) that's also questionable destination for alike
letter.

Anyway, it looks like an interesting case from legal standpoint, it
would be interesting news source if some Russian lawyer takes it.

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Re: [tor-talk] Tor in Russia, blocked from Nov 1st?

[Jacki M]

Using a obfs4 pluggable transport bridge from 
https://bridges.torproject.org/options  
should work. As Jim said its a “arms race between the Tor developers and 
censors” to keep governments from blocking all the bridges.

> On Oct 25, 2017, at 9:49 PM, Moses  wrote:
> 
> In recently Tor bridges do not work in China, AFAIK.
> 
> Best Regards.
> 
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> On Mon, Oct 16, 2017 at 8:25 PM, InterN0T  wrote:
> 
>> If you can use Tor bridges in China, then you can probably use Tor bridges
>> in Russia :-)
>> 
>> Best regards,
>> MaXe
>> 
>>>  Original Message 
>>> Subject: [tor-talk] Tor in Russia, blocked from Nov 1st?
>>> Local Time: October 16, 2017 10:16 PM
>>> UTC Time: October 16, 2017 8:16 PM
>>> From: torli...@yandex.ru
>>> To: tor-talk@lists.torproject.org
>>> 
>>> Greetings!
>>> 
>>> Seems that TOR will be blocked from Nov 1st in Russia. Any info on this?
>>> In such a case, will it be possible to use Tor through "bridges"?
>>> 
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Re: [tor-talk] Tor in Russia, blocked from Nov 1st?

[Moses]

In recently Tor bridges do not work in China, AFAIK.

Best Regards.

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On Mon, Oct 16, 2017 at 8:25 PM, InterN0T  wrote:

> If you can use Tor bridges in China, then you can probably use Tor bridges
> in Russia :-)
>
> Best regards,
> MaXe
>
> >  Original Message 
> > Subject: [tor-talk] Tor in Russia, blocked from Nov 1st?
> > Local Time: October 16, 2017 10:16 PM
> > UTC Time: October 16, 2017 8:16 PM
> > From: torli...@yandex.ru
> > To: tor-talk@lists.torproject.org
> >
> > Greetings!
> >
> > Seems that TOR will be blocked from Nov 1st in Russia. Any info on this?
> > In such a case, will it be possible to use Tor through "bridges"?
> >
> > Thank you!
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Re: [tor-talk] Tor in Russia, blocked from Nov 1st?

[Jim]

xxx wrote:
Well, seems quite easy to get the bridges IPs every 10 minutes and to 
block them...


There is certainly an arms race between the Tor developers and censors
but it is a bit more complicated than you suggest.  There are multiple
strategies, which I cannot name off the top of my head,  that the Tor
project use to keep censors from discovering all of the bridges.

All of the normal relays/exits are listed in the consensus.  This is
most definitely *not* true of bridges. The Tor project does what it can
to keep those concealed from censors.

HTH

Jim


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Re: [tor-talk] Tor in Russia, blocked from Nov 1st?

[xxx]

Well, seems quite easy to get the bridges IPs every 10 minutes and to 
block them...


On 16/10/2017 23:25, InterN0T wrote:

If you can use Tor bridges in China, then you can probably use Tor bridges in 
Russia :-)

Best regards,
MaXe


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Subject: [tor-talk] Tor in Russia, blocked from Nov 1st?
Local Time: October 16, 2017 10:16 PM
UTC Time: October 16, 2017 8:16 PM
From: torli...@yandex.ru
To: tor-talk@lists.torproject.org

Greetings!

Seems that TOR will be blocked from Nov 1st in Russia. Any info on this?
In such a case, will it be possible to use Tor through "bridges"?

Thank you!
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Re: [tor-talk] Tor in Russia, blocked from Nov 1st?

[Jonathan Marquardt]

On Mon, Oct 16, 2017 at 11:16:45PM +0300, xxx wrote:
> Seems that TOR will be blocked from Nov 1st in Russia. Any info on this? In
> such a case, will it be possible to use Tor through "bridges"?

It is likely that at the very least meek would work in such a scenario. obfs4 
bridges probably work as well, I think.

I'd recommend to download Tor Browser and any other stuff you might need in 
advance, just as I do before I travel to a foreign country (or just plan to 
stay at a hotel with potentially censoring Wi-Fi hotspots).


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Re: [tor-talk] Tor in Russia, blocked from Nov 1st?

[InterN0T]

If you can use Tor bridges in China, then you can probably use Tor bridges in 
Russia :-)

Best regards,
MaXe

>  Original Message 
> Subject: [tor-talk] Tor in Russia, blocked from Nov 1st?
> Local Time: October 16, 2017 10:16 PM
> UTC Time: October 16, 2017 8:16 PM
> From: torli...@yandex.ru
> To: tor-talk@lists.torproject.org
>
> Greetings!
>
> Seems that TOR will be blocked from Nov 1st in Russia. Any info on this?
> In such a case, will it be possible to use Tor through "bridges"?
>
> Thank you!
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Re: [tor-talk] Tor in Russia, blocked from Nov 1st?

[flipchan]

I would guess that they download a list of tornodes and block em and block port 
9050 , I guess we need more info

On October 16, 2017 10:16:45 PM GMT+02:00, xxx  wrote:
>Greetings!
>
>Seems that TOR will be blocked from Nov 1st in Russia. Any info on
>this? 
>In such a case, will it be possible to use Tor through "bridges"?
>
>Thank you!
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Re: [tor-talk] Tor in Russia, blocked from Nov 1st?

[flipchan]

In sweden when they blocked the piratebay they have just a dns block 

On October 16, 2017 10:16:45 PM GMT+02:00, xxx  wrote:
>Greetings!
>
>Seems that TOR will be blocked from Nov 1st in Russia. Any info on
>this? 
>In such a case, will it be possible to use Tor through "bridges"?
>
>Thank you!
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