Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Can the Touch be a stand alone player?

2009-10-04 Thread funkstar

SteveEast;466067 Wrote: 
 Ahh, I get you now. Yes, that would certainly appeal to me. Though I
 assume there are a zillion battery powered devices that let you slip in
 an iPod?
 
 Steve.

Probably, but the advantage of what kidstypike is after is that when
the unit is at home it can be serving its music to several other players
around the home, just like the Touch. It could also be used with the
Controller or a wall mounted Touch.

Personally I would be torn between a battery operated all in one unit,
and onen with mains power only but a 2.5 SATA hard drive slot.

:)


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Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Logitech announces Squeezebox Touch

2009-10-04 Thread funkstar

808htfan;466129 Wrote: 
 When the Touch is available, will it be at Best Buy too?
I would assume so. The other players are available though Best Buy, so
I can't see why the Touch wouldn't be.


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Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Touch and 24/96 clock

2009-10-04 Thread firedog

tommypeters;465819 Wrote: 
 The problem with double-blind tests can be illustrated by the triangle
 below:
 
 [image: http://www.eyetricks.com/0406.gif]
 
 ...and also by the black dots (how many are they, try to count them)
 here:
 
 [image: http://eyetricks.com/0101.gif]
 
 When changing back-and-forth between different equipment your ears will
 start to fool you the same way as your eyes in the illustrations above.
 Because it's neither your ears nor your eyes, but your brain that does
 the fooling. If there's no easily-detected distortion, but rather lack
 of information, your ears will soon fill that in and you will seemingly
 switch back-and-forth between similar-sounding audio.
 
 Meridian did a test of double-blind tests and concluded that they
 couldn't use it for internal tests. And since internal tests aren't to
 prove anything for anyone it's perfectly alright for them to use other
 methods. But for a reviewer, while flawed, double-blind tests may still
 be the way to go. But he/she should take them for what they're worth.

yes, that's why I don't believe in quick A/B double blind tests, or
even in just non-scientific testing with quick A/B switches.


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Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Can the Touch be a stand alone player?

2009-10-04 Thread 0xdeadbeef

I wonder how this is handled internally. Does the Touch run a (stripped
down?) server internally or is playing from the SD-Card handled by a
completely different software that has nothing to do with
Slimserver/Squeezecenter/SqueezeboxServer?

Is there any detailed description available which features work without
an external slimserver and which don't?


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Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Can the Touch be a stand alone player?

2009-10-04 Thread Phil Leigh

0xdeadbeef;466500 Wrote: 
 I wonder how this is handled internally. Does the Touch run a (stripped
 down?) server internally or is playing from the SD-Card handled by a
 completely different software that has nothing to do with
 Slimserver/Squeezecenter/SqueezeboxServer?
 
 Is there any detailed description available which features work without
 an external slimserver and which don't?

It's running SBS internally


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Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Can the Touch be a stand alone player?

2009-10-04 Thread funkstar

0xdeadbeef;466500 Wrote: 
 I wonder how this is handled internally. Does the Touch run a (stripped
 down?) server internally or is playing from the SD-Card handled by a
 completely different software that has nothing to do with
 Slimserver/Squeezecenter/SqueezeboxServer?
 
 Is there any detailed description available which features work without
 an external slimserver and which don't?
It runs the same code as SBS on the desktop. However, it does have some
flags set on startup which limits its functionality. For example, it
does not support transcoding, so will only serve files that can be
played back natively by that player. It also has no web interface as
that would create too much of a resources spike and could interrupt
normal playback on Touch. Support for the SliMP3 and SB1 has also been
disabled because the protocol they used was much more CPU intensive. Oh,
and no server plugins by default. That's all I think.


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*1*x squeezebox touch
*1*x squeezebox boom
*2*x controller, *1*x receiver
*2*x sb3 (sliver/black), *1*x sb2 wired (silver)
*1*x sb (black), *1*x slimp3 (with rear shield)

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[SlimDevices: Touch] Wake On LAN

2009-10-04 Thread Phil Meyer
I don't think this is too clever at the moment.

I turned my Touch off, whilst it was connected to my local server (or at least 
the last thing I played on it was some local music).
I hibernated my PC (whilst cooking, because the cooker currently has a fault 
that causes the power to trip).

My PC needed to be offline for some time, so I decided to play some internet 
radio.

I turned on the Touch.  This must have sent a Wake-On-LAN magic packet, because 
my server turned on.

This is not good - there's no way to attempt to use Touch without causing the 
local server to power on.

On Classic players, it only sends a WOL when attempting to connect/switch to a 
music source.  It is possible to get to the setup screen (via left-arrow) 
whilst not connected, to select an alternative source (eg. MySqueezebox.com), 
without sending a WOL to the local music source.

Now that music library source switching is meant to be transparent on 
Touch/Radio, I don't think the WOL packets should be sent automatically when 
pressing power button, because there isn't the same obvious concept of being 
currently connected to a particular server.  I think that only when I attempt 
to play something from a music source should it sent the WOL packet.

Does everyone agree?  If so, I'll raise a bug report.

Phil
 
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Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Can the Touch be a stand alone player?

2009-10-04 Thread 0xdeadbeef

Ok, thanks. I somehow hoped it would be a full server, but already
guessed this can't be true.
BTW: Would controlling the Touch (standalone mode) via Moose work?


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Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] USB Drive on Touch Questions

2009-10-04 Thread Nikhil

Will the Touch support HFS+ (Journaled) in the future? I know it
supports FAT32 out of the box, and someone said it supports EXT3. We
have been promised NTFS support in the future, but there has been no
mention of HFS+.

How does this thing handle multiple partitions on an external USB
drive? What if the 2 partitions are formatted differently?

The reason I'm asking these questions now is that I am running out of
space on my current drives (my Library is split between a FAT32 and
HFS+Journaled drive), and I need to get something new. I'd rather format
and backup my library in a way that is Touch compatible. I was thinking
about an external 2.5 inch FW/USB drive that could also boot up both a
PPC and Intel Mac with Leopard (I have already done this with a 400GB
drive - it works just fine, you just need to do the initial setup on PPC
with APM, and all subsequent updates on Intel; there is even an Apple
article explaining this). Anyway, If I could have a single HFS+ J
partition, that would be great, otherwise I will need to split it and do
HFS+J  FAT32 or HFS+J  NTFS or HFS+J  EXT3.


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Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Touch with 'WD My Book World Edition' - does it work ??

2009-10-04 Thread snarlydwarf

dean;466774 Wrote: 
 On Oct 4, 2009, at 10:14 AM, MrSinatra wrote:
 
 
  bpa;465418 Wrote:
  I think the sheevaplug would meet these requirements - 1.2GHz ARM @ 
 
  $99
  http://www.plugcomputer.org/
 
  wow, thats a neat device!  now, i'd like a SB client in it too, but
 as
  a SC alone piece of hardware, it looks like it would really be good.
 
 A while back, Andy was able to get SC running on it by copying over  
 the Touch TinySC binaries and just running them!  And it was pretty  
 darned fast, IIRC.

Though an SB Client would be sort of useless since it has no audio out.


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Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Touch with 'WD My Book World Edition' - does it work ??

2009-10-04 Thread MrSinatra

the SB client attached to it (ie. one combined unit, the SB hardware +
it) would provide the audio out, thats the point.


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