Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] USB speakers connected directly to touch?
turbot fiend wrote: Resurrecting this thread. Does anyone know if I can connect BW MM1 powered speakers (built in DAC) to an SB Classic? MM1s only have USB connect for digital via PC/MAC, although one can use a spearate aux jack in for analogue. I want to connect directly to streamer - this is for a bedroom system. Any views on these options: 1. SB RCA to minijack - I already use this with SBT and Audioengine A2s in kitchen and to good effect 2. SB spdif to USB using a third party converter cable. It seems the converters I have looked at are primarily aimed for those who want to convert usb to spdif and not vice versa. Any help welcomed. thanks This best option for this would be something like the VAMP or a wandboard. The work very well with USB speakers. http://vortexbox.org/content/151-VAMP-adding-audio-output-and-speakers-SqueezeBox-Boom-for-40 rip, tag, get cover art All you do is insert the CD! http://vortexbox.org agillis Lead Developer VortexBox agillis's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=21140 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=98223 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Squeezebox Touch no longer listed on Logitech Web-Site
It's the end of SqueeseBox. I just bought a bunch of them on Amazon. Seems like it's time to stock up! agillis's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=21140 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=96206 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Which QNAP NAS for my Touch?
No, a VortexBox Appliance is a CD and DVD ripper and a server not a player. It's running Logitech Media Server by default so it will work great with your Touch. You can use it to get music to your Zune. If you want the play mkv files on your TV you should get a BoxeeBox. It's kinda like a Touch for Video. It's menu's are beautiful and it has much better media support then many other video players. -- agillis rip, tag, get cover art All you do is insert the CD! http://vortexbox.org agillis Lead Developer VortexBox agillis's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=21140 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=92515 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Possible solution for stuttering FLAC 24/96
This is one of the many reasons it's a good idea to have LMS running on a dedicated machine. -- agillis rip, tag, get cover art All you do is insert the CD! http://vortexbox.org agillis Lead Developer VortexBox agillis's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=21140 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=92276 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] 24/192
firedog;675333 Wrote: there the situation with vortexbox is summed up as follows by one user (not fully tested by me, not my opinion, so don't flame me please): (1) Using Vortexbox, the Vortexbox player cannot play files without gapping. (2) Using Squeezeslave, you can play gapless files just fine, but not any hi-res files. (3) Using MPD, you can play gapless and high res file, but you have to suffer a poorly designed and cranky remote control interface. This is correct accept part of #3. Many people prefer MPoD and MPaD to the SqueezeBox interface. It works really well. -- agillis rip, tag, get cover art All you do is insert the CD! http://vortexbox.org agillis Lead Developer VortexBox agillis's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=21140 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=74688 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] 24/192
CDLehner;673766 Wrote: Sorry for the resurrection...but I'm trying to find out if anyone has yet cracked a way for SBT to output 192? Someone at AVS told me they thought so, and there was a thread at the SB forums; I thought maybe this was it...but I don't have the time (patience...lol) to read 33 pages of posts. I tried skimming back through the last few, but it appears things had moved on to mostly talking about the Oppo. So...can anyone point me in the right direction? Has the SBT been cracked to output 192? Thanks, CD Yeah the only way to do it now is to use VortexBox Player instead of an SBT. -- agillis rip, tag, get cover art All you do is insert the CD! http://vortexbox.org agillis Lead Developer VortexBox agillis's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=21140 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=74688 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Starting from scratch: What path to take
Patric;638956 Wrote: I'm considering a Squeezebox Touch and an NAS. I currently have a mid level home theater with an HTPC and FIoS home network @ 30 megs. I've nearly completed my whole house audio. Ready to pull CAT5e to rooms that have their own components and speakers. I have wired and wireless computers and an iPod Touch 4g. I'll be moving a WD Live TV Plus to the mbrm HDTV for netflix. For the Squeezebox Touch stuff, I don't want to go down a path that I will regret later. It's not that I've got that many CDs, DVDs and BRs but I feel like I have enough knowledge to be dangerous. I know a little about Netgear ReadyNAS and Vortexbox appliance but not enough. Aside from the fixed price of the SBT, I'll be concerned about the costs. Will appreciate some initial guidance. TIA Patrick Seems like a VortexBox appliance would work well for you situation. It can rip DVDs and stream them to your WD Live as well as ripping music and sending music to your SqueezeBox. -- agillis rip, tag, get cover art All you do is insert the CD! http://vortexbox.org agillis Lead Developer VortexBox agillis's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=21140 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=88589 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] NAS + crossover UTP cable + SBT
You can use a VortexBox appliance for your NAS. It has SqueezeBox Server pre-loaded. Attach the VortexBox Appliance directly to your router. Then use a home-plug adapter to connect your SqueezeBox to your router. A lot of VortexBox users that have your exact same setup do this and it works great. -- agillis rip, tag, get cover art All you do is insert the CD! http://vortexbox.org agillis Lead Developer VortexBox agillis's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=21140 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=88247 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Help! Too many options and not enough brain...
VortexBox runs Fedora Linux so it's supported by Logitech. It has a dual core Atom processor for transcoding and it plug-play. -- agillis rip, tag, get cover art All you do is insert the CD! http://vortexbox.org agillis Lead Developer VortexBox agillis's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=21140 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=88042 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] 24 bit and 96 kHz files
lrossouw;631757 Wrote: Why not just buy a pc or vortexbox or equivalent and put it in a cupboard somewhere with the server on it and your problems will be gone. :) Yes, VortexBox Player supports 24/192 and can play directly to your DAC. No hardware design required! -- agillis rip, tag, get cover art All you do is insert the CD! http://vortexbox.org agillis Lead Developer VortexBox agillis's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=21140 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=87752 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] 24 bit and 96 kHz files
Phil Leigh;631875 Wrote: or there is the ZERO-COST option of downsampling the files offline... Of course that's always an option but you lose fidelity. What's the point of getting 24/192 FLAC files if you don't actually want to listen to them at 24/192? -- agillis rip, tag, get cover art All you do is insert the CD! http://vortexbox.org agillis Lead Developer VortexBox agillis's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=21140 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=87752 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Newbie with Questions for the Experts
You need to connect the SqueezeBox touch and the VortexBox to your router. If you don't have Ethernet available where your music system is you can put the VortexBox next to your router and the SqueezeBox Touch next to your audio equipment. If you can't get a good wireless signal in your listening area use HomePlug (Ethernet over Home wiring). -- agillis rip, tag, get cover art All you do is insert the CD! http://vortexbox.org agillis Lead Developer VortexBox agillis's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=21140 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=83244 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Squeezebox Touch - An Australian review
morthan;582269 Wrote: As luck would have it I got my SB Touch in Aus today. Concur with your review wholeheartedly. I've got all the SB's( Radios, Boom, Duet extra controller)and I reckon the Touch is the best of the lot. I am really taken by it. Its smaller than I thought it would be but thats a positive. Took a couple of minutes to set up and I was rocking. Having trouble with the presets on the remote which dont seem to work or I'm doing something wrong. In any case will be getting another touch soon and will complete the setup witha NAS running vortexbox. Any idea of the difference in audio quality using digital v. analog output? The audio quality of the analog output is quite good. The audio quality of the digital output will be totally based on what DAC you connect to it. Nice to hear your using VortexBox :) -- agillis rip, tag, get cover art All you do is insert the CD! http://vortexbox.org agillis Lead Developer VortexBox agillis's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=21140 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=82593 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Using touch with RipNas
treo;542852 Wrote: Yes it comes preconfigured with SB7.* but I know see there is something called the Vortexbox appliance which will do the same thing for less than half the price of the RipNas (and apparently connect via network cable?) although it is not as pretty. Essentially I want something I can rip straight into that will connect directly to the Touch. Any other suggestions? You need to have your auto-ripper NAAS connected to your network so it can get cover art and ID3 tag information for your ripped music. The Touch is usually connected to your network as well. So if you had a VortexBox as soon as you connected it to your network it would be connected to your Touch. Here's how the VortexBox works. 1. Connect VortexBox to your router 2. Put a CD in the drive. It will be ripped in about 4 minutes. 3. Select vortexbox as the server for your touch and play. (The vortexbox will appear on the server list) If you need to use your Touch without a network you would need to copy the music to a USB drive. -- agillis rip, tag, get cover art All you do is insert the CD! http://vortexbox.org agillis Lead Developer VortexBox agillis's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=21140 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=78208 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Using touch with RipNas
treo;543324 Wrote: Thanks, that's very useful to know. I am thinking that the vortexbox appliance coupled with the SB Touch and some (as yet unspecified) active speakers is the simplest/cheapest setup for a non-techie. The way you describe it the VB Appliance could sit hidden away next to the router and the SB touch would connect to it wirelessly. Are there issues of responsiveness if one does that? That's excavate how VortexBox is designed to work. As long as your wireless network is solid it should work perfectly. -- agillis rip, tag, get cover art All you do is insert the CD! http://vortexbox.org agillis Lead Developer VortexBox agillis's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=21140 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=78208 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Why Purchase a Touch??
sawdin;531309 Wrote: More questions, TIA, once again: 1) Does the SB server software enable a person to access playlists (i.e., actually just links to tracks) in a music service such as MOG? I do not use Rhapsody/Napster, and would like to continue to use MOG as most of the tracks stream at 320kbps, a few at 256. 2) If the Vortebox Appliance is set up to rip CD's and tag, does the software also provide catalog/library management capabilities similar to products like JRiver Media Center or Foobar, or does it just provide for ripping and tagging of CD's? Thanks, Dino 1. SBS allows you to listen to you own music, playlists, and streaming music. I'm not sure Squeezebox has MOG integration but it might be a future feature. 2. It does provide music management but I'm not sure it's like jRiver or Foobar. -- agillis rip, tag, get cover art All you do is insert the CD! http://vortexbox.org agillis Lead Developer VortexBox agillis's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=21140 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=76721 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Why Purchase a Touch??
Building a music server is easy. All you need is a VortexBox and iPeng you could have the whole system running in a hour. So simplicity is not a reason to go with SqueezeBox. I find it's really nice to have purpose built hardware. The squeezeBox Radio is brilliant. Right down to the screen that dims when you shut off the room lights and very low cost for what it does. I have both a VortexBox music server that rips my CDs, stores them, and plays them through some speakers in my house and also my SqueezeBox connected to my stereo and my SqueezeBox Radios in each bedroom. So the answer is for a full whole system you need both. To answer your question about audio distribution with a home built audio server I use a BreatheAudio http://astore.amazon.com/vort-20/detail/B001EPGFA4 connected directly to my VortexBox. This get's me 4 independent zones I can control with iPeng. http://astore.amazon.com/vort-20/detail/B001EPGFA4 -- agillis rip, tag, get cover art All you do is insert the CD! http://vortexbox.org agillis Lead Developer VortexBox agillis's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=21140 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=76721 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] 24/192
JohnSwenson;522622 Wrote: Ahah, that gets interesting. It looks like out of the box streaming flac would work at 192 but pcm will not. On the SP side its in a .c file so it has to get compiled into the firmware, but on the SBS side it can easily be modified. It looks like the modification is just to add 176 and 192 to the sample rate table, I didn't see anything that would preclude that from happening. So when agillis was running 192, he either modified the table or used a flac stream. For those interested in this its not the file itself but the stream type. As long as the file was transcoded into flac in the server it would run at 192. BTW what a weird ordering in the table! John S. I had to modify the table and use FLAC to get 192/24 to work with VortexBox Player. -- agillis rip, tag, get cover art All you do is insert the CD! http://vortexbox.org agillis Lead Developer VortexBox agillis's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=21140 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=74688 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] 24/192
Themis;513174 Wrote: If there's just a line to change, why not : commercially it can be a plus. Otherwise, as there's no playback material... it doesn't really matter. I struggle to find 24/96 (outside some classic/jazz) anyway, so I don't even think of 24/192 yet ! Ken Poon http://www.referencerecordings.com/ Linn Records All sell music in 24/192. It sounds fantastic on the right system. -- agillis rip, tag, get cover art All you do is insert the CD! http://vortexbox.org agillis Lead Developer VortexBox agillis's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=21140 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=74688 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] 24/192
JohnSwenson;512393 Wrote: Yes, the hardware can support 24/192. The DAC can do it and the oscillators are of sufficient frequency to support it from the processor. The one issue is optical out. The TOSLINK modules being sold today do not have a high enough bandwidth to reliably handle 192. (Toshiba used to make a high speed one, but they don't make it any more). The Coax S/PDIF out should have no problem with 192. There are several levels of software support that have to exist in order to do it. First is the ALSA driver. I don't know if that supports 192. I've used it at 96 but I haven't tried it at 192. It should be easy to try. Just try and play a 24/192 wave file using aplay and the HW interface. If the driver supports 192 it will play, otherwise it won't. If it does not support 192 then the driver will have to be modified. Given they have a working driver for 96 adding 176 and 192 should not be too difficult. Then there is the audio code inside squeezeplay. It has to know that 192 exists and can be sent to the ALSA driver. I haven't checked the code for that. Then there is slimproto or whatever they are calling it now. The actual streaming protocol has to know about 192, and sqeezeplay has to recognize that and do the right thing with it. Last is SBS. It has to know about 192 and know that something is 192 and what to do with it. Since it is currently being downsampled it seems like SBS knows about it. So it most likely needs to be updated so it knows the Touch could play 192 so it won't resample. So the two biggies seem to be: does slimproto handle 192, and does the Touch ALSA driver support 192. So yes it IS just software, but there might be several pieces of software that need to be updated to make it work. John S. SBS, slimproto, and ALSA all support 192/24. The new VortexBox player supports 192/24 and it has been working very well with SBS. -- agillis rip, tag, get cover art All you do is insert the CD! http://vortexbox.org agillis Lead Developer VortexBox agillis's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=21140 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=74688 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] 24/192
JohnSwenson;512721 Wrote: Yes ALSA can handle 192, the question is can the driver in the Touch handle it. In the Touch the S/PDIF and I2S come directly from the processor so my guess is there is a generic driver available from the manufacturer which Logitech has customized to some extent. IF that generic driver supports 192, then there might be a good possibility that the driver in the Touch still supports it. agillis, did you have to add a new player type to SBS to support that new player? My understanding is that SBS has a list player types each of which has a set of capabilities for the player including the sample rates it supports. I'm pretty sure the one for the Touch would have to be modified to say it supports 192. If thats all it takes for SBS that should be trivial to modify. In the next day or so I'll see if I can run a test on the Touch and see whether the ALSA driver supports 192 or not. If it does that just leaves squeezeplay. If the driver does not support 192 then that is something that Logitech would have to change. I don't think they have released the source code for the ALSA driver. John S. I just used the squeezeslave player type. That seemed to be the closest to what VortexBox Player is. I did have to change SBS because squeezeslave only supports 44.1K. It was only a one line change to the player file. -- agillis rip, tag, get cover art All you do is insert the CD! http://vortexbox.org agillis Lead Developer VortexBox agillis's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=21140 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=74688 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Why no touch lite?
For the low price I have seen some people using the Touch as a controller. Not a player or a server. Just to control their other players. This is the advantage of mass produced commodity hardware. It can have a lot of features you don't use. -- agillis rip, tag, get cover art All you do is insert the CD! http://vortexbox.org agillis Lead Developer VortexBox agillis's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=21140 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=74244 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Potential Vortex Box + SB Touch Setups
H Rusak;505238 Wrote: I am in a similar spot (starting from scratch) and have just discovered the Vortex box on this thread. I have a MacBook Pro and was about to purchase a Time Capsule to both have an auto backup for my laptop and replace an aging router. Can I plug the Vortex Box directly into the Time Capsule? With this set-up, can just the Vortex (and Time Capsule/Router) be left on, but leave my computer off? The Router/Vortex would be in the basement and the Touch would be connected to the stereo on the main floor of our house. I was also considering the alternative, of just buying a usb drive and plugging it into the Touch directly. In order to facilitate ripping cds to the drive, I was also thinking of attaching it to a airport extreme and using my macbook to rip the cds wirelessly to the usb drive. The Vortexbox sounds like potentially a better arrangement - thoughts? Am I on the right track? VortexBox is a self contained NAS system that connect to your Ethernet network. You don't need anything else on other then your router and player (SqueezeBox) A time capsule is good for backup up but is not required. -- agillis rip, tag, get cover art All you do is insert the CD! http://vortexbox.org agillis Lead Developer VortexBox agillis's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=21140 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=73733 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Accessing files from a NAS
You need a NAS that runs SqueezeBox Server like VortexBox. -- agillis rip, tag, get cover art All you do is insert the CD! http://vortexbox.org agillis Lead Developer VortexBox agillis's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=21140 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=72903 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Accessing files from a NAS
paltomare;497864 Wrote: Cool device, I need to have a Raid 1 NAS thouch, can't afford to lose my files. The best option is to backup your files on a second drive that is not connected to anything. This way you won't lose data in a lightning strike like you would with RAID 1. VortexBox does support RAID1 inf you want to build your own box. -- agillis rip, tag, get cover art All you do is insert the CD! http://vortexbox.org agillis Lead Developer VortexBox agillis's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=21140 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=72903 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] I guess it is officially official now? ; )
Somebody should probable replace that image :) -- agillis rip, tag, get cover art All you do is insert the CD! http://vortexbox.org agillis Lead Developer VortexBox agillis's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=21140 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=69817 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Power over ethernet
That low cost POE adapter should work fine. You could save self even more money by just splitting out the cat5 brown pair at both ends and connecting power to it. That's all your £7 adapter is doing. If anybody is interested I could post something in the Wiki about this zero cost PoE option. -- agillis rip, tag, get cover art All you do is insert the CD! http://vortexbox.org agillis Lead Developer VortexBox agillis's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=21140 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=68178 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
