Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Touch + which compact powered speakers?
I bought a set of Neumi speakers, I posted about them here: https://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?114270-Aopen-Chromebase-Mini-with-Alpine-Linux-Squeezelite-and-Jivelite&p=1024799&viewfull=1#post1024799 They are pretty nice I guess but probably don't fit your definition of compact. sodface's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=19057 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=116039 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Running without Internet Connection
Though slim on details, another possible solution here (a swap partition on the USB stick?) https://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?109026-Is-it-possible-to-disable-the-mysb-com-integration-completely-on-the-Touch&p=913388&viewfull=1#post913388 silentcreek wrote: > Good catch! :cool: > Yes, I have an SD card in the Touch - for an unconventional purpose: I > have a swap file on the SD card that gets mounted as swap via a custom > squeezeos-boot.sh. The reason I have that is that a long time ago I > encountered some (reproducible) out of memory exceptions on the Touch, > e.g. when going through the various playback visualizations. But back > then, I still used the internal server (which must have been like 4-5 > years ago). So, it might probably be safe to just remove the card as I > use a seperate LMS instance. I'll give it a try. > > Thanks! sodface's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=19057 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=110255 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Running without Internet Connection
joegorin wrote: > After thinking about it, I reject the bad file hypothesis without > further experiments. My logic: > > Assume there is exactly one bad file out of 40 hours of music. The > probability of coming upon that file when randomly shuffling is 63% in > 40 hours, and 95% in five days. In other words, the chance that I will > not come upon it before 5 days is only 5%. The probability that I > observed failures five times somewhere around 5 days apart is 3 chances > in 10 million. For a hypothesis of more than one bad file, the chance of > my observations is even smaller. > > The "memory leak" model makes more sense. You're probably right though I guess it might depend a little on how "random" the random playlist is and whether it plays all songs at least once before repeating songs, Granted, the "bad" file hypothesis does seem like a bit of a stretch. I guess I was just wondering if you could come up with an experiment that would break through the 5 day barrier, which would then perhaps point at something with the library as opposed to a software issue. sodface's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=19057 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=110255 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Running without Internet Connection
Earlier in the thread, mherger said: > It doesn't wait 5 days before crapping out, but it does work for 5 days, > plays music. At some point it can no more. This can be an artwork cover > too big, or the screensaver displaying large images. But it will fail > for whatever reason. Lack of network is not it. > Is it possible that it's one specific song or artwork file (or multiple that meet the same criteria, whatever that might be) that's crashing the server and so removing the offending file(s) could fix the problem? Since joegorin seems to be using a static library, if the library didn't contain any "bad" music or art files then it might play forever? Would playing a single song on loop or a smaller collection (an hour or so?) be worth trying to see how long playback goes with a known "good" file or set of files? sodface's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=19057 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=110255 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Running without Internet Connection
Fizbin wrote: > My own hypothesis at the time I owned the Touch, using the internal > server, was more along the lines of memory leak. The longer I used it > the more it would crap out. I ended up shutting it off after use. Of > course, once I wised up and installed LMS on my PC, all was fine...with > no internet connection too. You may well be right about the memory leak, but I meant to make the distinction in my previous post that maybe it's not an internet connection that the Touch is looking for but rather a connection to something external, either mysqueezebox.com or an LMS on the local LAN (which itself may or may not be connected to the internet). The other difference in your setup is that you still would have needed to configure some IPv4 settings on the Touch's wired interface. Did you set a static IP or did you run DHCP on your disconnected LMS server? What settings did you set on the Touch - just IP and mask or did you fill in dummy settings for default route, DNS, etc.? I don't think joegorin has indicated what his exact configuration is in that regard. I'm interested to see the results of joegorin's upcoming tests. sodface's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=19057 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=110255 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Running without Internet Connection
kidstypike wrote: > The Touch's inbuilt server doesn't need an internet/wifi connection to > serve local music, and doesn't "phone home". It will play local music > forever, until the user starts to send multiple button presses, then it > just can't handle it and "cr@ps out". User then needs to start over, > with the Touch re-scanning the card/stick/drive which can take ages > depending on the number of tracks. Not a good user experience. I don't have a Touch so can't test any of this, and you guys seem to know what you're talking about so I'm not arguing any position here, I'm just interested in it sort of tangentially for my travel trailer project and I'm trying to reconcile what joegorin is reporting with the informed replies to the contrary. For instance, I don't know what joegorin meant when he said this after he connected a loopback plug in the ethernet port: "If you try to start with a loopback, you are not allowed to play music at all." What does that mean? It's hard to understand the above statement if a network connection has nothing to do with playing local music. And he also says this: "I found today, experimentally, that if I connect it to a Wi-Fi channel on my router that has no internet connectivity, it will not play the music on the USB thumb drive in the Touch. The messages displayed still make me think it has to "phone home" to be enabled." Again, not sure how to interpret that alongside the other comments about a network connection not being required. kidstypike wrote: > LMS doesn't need/use mysqueezebox.com to serve local music, Radio > stations, or free music service plugins/apps. LMS only needs > mysqueezebox.com when using music services that need authentication. Thanks for that info. It's a piddly thing, but, I think in the case of the Radio's alarm, at least some of the sound files are on mysqueezebox.com so they presumably wouldn't work without an internet connection even with a local LMS. mherger wrote: > It doesn't wait 5 days before crapping out, but it does work for 5 > days, > plays music. Point taken. sodface's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=19057 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=110255 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Running without Internet Connection
Not that it matters or changes reality, but, I agree with joegorin on this. A product that includes a local music server instance and includes ports to connect media locally should be able to play local music without an internet connection, and apparently does but only for 5 days or so. If an internet connection was a hard requirement, it should either refuse to play altogether if it can't phone home or at least display a clear message immediately so the user knows what the deal is (instead of waiting 5 days and crapping out). It's a little unfair to point at the box and say "It says Network Music Player!" It was Logitech's product so they can and did do want they wanted but I don't think joegorin is off base with what he expected the touch to be able to do as a disconnected player with a local server instance. Does anyone have a good link that details what happens if mysqueezebox.com can't be reached, by squeezebox type if that makes a difference? I've been meaning to look into this as I was thinking about setting up a pi based LMS in our travel trailer and using it with a radio if I can ever find a decent one on ebay. Trailer park wifi is usually pretty bad so I think spotty or no connection would probably be the norm. I'm also wondering if the loopback connector idea could still work, depending on what the "phone home" consists of. Does it just have to reach the mysqueezebox.com domain? Does it need a successful login? With a loopback plug and an entry in the /etc/hosts file for mysqueezebox.com pointing at the 127.0.0.1 loopback address, the domain would be appear to be reachable but obviously a login would fail, though maybe that could be spoofed too with a local script of some kind, maybe a plugin to the local LMS? @joegorin, sorry the loopback made it worse. I'd been meaning to try a loopback in my "smart" tv to see if it would turn off it's continuous wifi scanning since I don't use it, and finally did after recommending it to you. It seems to have done the trick in my case. sodface's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=19057 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=110255 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Running without Internet Connection
Do you have the crimp tool and connector to make an RJ-45 loopback plug? Attached are a couple of pinouts. I think for 10/100, all you'd need is the second one, and you might be able to get by with just cutting one end off of a spare cat5 cable and making the connections as shown, preferably with a bit of solder and heat shrink but whatever works! That should at least bring the port up permanently so that the touch thinks it has a link. Of course, it won't be able to communicate with anything so if it just needs to sense a link than it might work, but if it's looking for a response from something than it might not help at all. +---+ |Filename: loopback-connector.jpg | |Download: http://forums.slimdevices.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=26888| +---+ sodface's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=19057 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=110255 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
