Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Most of Internet Radio seems to be MP3 Format..............
aubuti;619343 Wrote: Try doing an ABX sometime (foobar2k has a tool that makes it very easy). +1 on using foobar2000 and its ABX tool to do some personal testing. I predict you'll be very surprised at the bitrate at which things are transparent for you. Given my age (and 99.% of us have age related hearing loss at certain frequencies), it is almost impossible for me to consistently ABX between 160kbs (or even 128 in many cases) and lossless, for most types of pop music (rock, country, etc.). That said, I do use FLAC in my home system, because I can. For my mobile devices I use LAME VBR 192kbs mp3, but that is probably overkill. p.s. I probably have no good FM stations to test, because ALL my local FM can be beat by even 64kbs streams. Not that a single one of my FM local stations has anything I want to listen to other than NPR news. -- garym garym's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=17325 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=86430 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Most of Internet Radio seems to be MP3 Format..............
Cut-Throat;619116 Wrote: But it's still MP3, which means it's lossy! -- I have listened to it, but it is not near as good as my local FM station. I am also sure that the bps number is meaningless if the File format that they are streaming is MP3 Are you sure something else isn't wrong with your system? FM is not lossy as it's not a digital signal but it is full of dynamic compression (how loud and how soft something is) noise, etcFM is so crappy any mp3 over 128 should blow it away. Fatboy66 -- fatboy66 fatboy66's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=41142 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=86430 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Most of Internet Radio seems to be MP3 Format..............
fatboy66;619294 Wrote: Are you sure something else isn't wrong with your system? FM is not lossy as it's not a digital signal but it is full of dynamic compression (how loud and how soft something is) noise, etcFM is so crappy any mp3 over 128 should blow it away. Fatboy66 Fat, Yes, your are correct MOST FM is crappy, however there are a few FM stations that play uncompressed music. A lot of them are on College Campuses and Play Jazz. The FM station that I listen to locally will easily 'blow away' any MP3. -- Cut-Throat Cut-Throat's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=43167 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=86430 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Most of Internet Radio seems to be MP3 Format..............
Don't be too surprised if you find out that your local FM college station is playing MP3s. Many radio stations today are. -- JJZolx JJZolx's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=10 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=86430 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Most of Internet Radio seems to be MP3 Format..............
JJZolx;619300 Wrote: Don't be too surprised if you find out that your local FM college station is playing MP3s. Many radio stations today are. I would not be surprised, in fact sometimes they do and they announce it. Lots of times its Vinyl, but mostly CDs. -- Cut-Throat Cut-Throat's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=43167 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=86430 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Most of Internet Radio seems to be MP3 Format..............
fatboy66;619294 Wrote: Are you sure something else isn't wrong with your system? FM is not lossy as it's not a digital signal but it is full of dynamic compression (how loud and how soft something is) noise, etcFM is so crappy any mp3 over 128 should blow it away. Fatboy66 Not in the UK it isn't (at least not on Radio 3) -- Phil Leigh You want to see the signal path BEFORE it gets onto a CD/vinyl...it ain't what you'd call minimal... Touch(wired/XP) - Audiolense 3.3/2.0+INGUZ DRC - MF M1 DAC - Linn 5103 - full Aktiv 5.1 system (6x LK140's, ESPEK/TRIKAN/KATAN/SEIZMIK 10.5), Pekin Tuner, Townsend Supertweeters, Blue Jeans Belden Digital,Kimber 8TC Speaker Chord Signature Plus Interconnect cables Stax4070+SRM7/II phones Kitchen Boom, Outdoors: SB Radio, Harmony One remote for everything. Phil Leigh's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=85 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=86430 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Most of Internet Radio seems to be MP3 Format..............
Cut-Throat;619116 Wrote: But it's still MP3, which means it's lossy! -- I have listened to it, but it is not near as good as my local FM station. I am also sure that the bps number is meaningless if the File format that they are streaming is MP3 It's a surprise the internet radio is MP3?! Do you have any idea how much more it would cost a station to stream lossless? Also, of course the stations have figured out that most listeners (who are buying iTunes and other lossy tracks) don't care. And no, the bitrate of MP3s is not meaningless. Most people, on most music, can hear the difference between 128kbps MP3 and 320kbps MP3. Likewise, most people, on most music, cannot hear the difference between 320kbps MP3 and lossless. Try doing an ABX sometime (foobar2k has a tool that makes it very easy). -- aubuti aubuti's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2074 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=86430 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
[SlimDevices: Touch] Most of Internet Radio seems to be MP3 Format..............
Most of internet radio seems to be MP3 File Format. That can't be good right? It doesn't seem to matter what kbps that they stream at if the File Format is MP3 and is compressed as hell. Does anyone know of any good Jazz Stations in the country that stream a lossless program? -- Cut-Throat Cut-Throat's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=43167 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=86430 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Most of Internet Radio seems to be MP3 Format..............
Jazz Wyoming, KUWL, streams at 256kbps and sounds pretty good. -- Daverz Daverz's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=32335 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=86430 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Most of Internet Radio seems to be MP3 Format..............
Daverz;619115 Wrote: Jazz Wyoming, KUWL, streams at 256kbps and sounds pretty good. But it's still MP3, which means it's lossy! -- I have listened to it, but it is not near as good as my local FM station. I am also sure that the bps number is meaningless if the File format that they are streaming is MP3 -- Cut-Throat Cut-Throat's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=43167 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=86430 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
