Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Upgrade LMS

2021-09-16 Thread agbagb


kidstypike wrote: 
> Yes, cable is the preferred method for LMS.

Though I've got a couple of Phillipe's wi-fi only SqueezeAmps (for the
fun of supporting such a great project), this is one thing that makes me
a tad reluctant to try the PolyVection "replacement" LMS / Player route
- again (subject to correction!) wifi only, at least for the players. 
While recently I've had great wi-fi performance with my various systems,
I still find that for "serious" listening of big FLAC tracks (especially
long-form music), cabled LAN is the way to be set up.



LMS 8.2.1 - 1628023316 
Win10
Control: Web GUI; sometimes OrangeSqueeze on Android phones / pads

Machines / devices are in France, in two locations.
a) Livebox 4
Internal HDD (FLAC music; mp3 voice), LAN Desktop
3 x Touch - 1 wireless, 2 LAN. (7.8.0-r16754)
2 x SB Radios [2 wireless, 1 LAN] (7.7.3-r16676)
2 x SqueezeAmps

b) Freebox
External SSD, WiFi Laptop
1 x Touch LAN (Firmware:7.8.0-r16754)
2 x SB Radios, Wireless (7.7.3-r16676)

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Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Upgrade LMS

2021-09-16 Thread kidstypike


zoleprole wrote: 
> Can I install LMS on computer who is conect with ethernet cabl with
> router, or must be computer with WI-FI?

Yes, cable is the preferred method for LMS.



*Server - LMS 8.3.0 *Pi4B 4GB/Argon one case/pCP 8.0.0 - 75K library,
playlists & LMS cache on SSD (ntfs)
*Study -* Pi4/pCP 8.0.0/Topping E30 DAC/Ruark MR1 Mk2
*Lounge* - Pi2/pCP 8.0.0 > HiFiBerry DIGI+ > AudioEngine DAC1 > AVI DM5
*Dining Room* - Pi3B/pCP/Bluetooth/Echo Show 8
*Garage* - DAC32 > Edifier speakers

*Spares* - 2xTouch, 1xSB Radio. 1xSB3, 6xRPi

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Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Upgrade LMS

2021-09-15 Thread zoleprole


Can I install LMS on computer who is conect with ethernet cabl with
router, or must be computer with WI-FI?



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Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Upgrade LMS

2021-09-14 Thread edwin2006


mherger wrote: 
> > Would a Raspberry Pi3 B+ suit the OP's application ? I believe it has
> > 1GB ram, rather than the 2GB/4GB/8GB of the Pi4. But perhaps easier on
> > the purse, and if it works well enough...
> 
> I'm still using a 3B+ every day in the office. It's plenty powerful for 
> my 20k tracks and some online music integration.Totally agree on this. Also 
> running Pi3-B+
Also agree on the sd card part. I'm always using video or industrial
graded cards and since then I have never had a corrupted sd card.
If possible use a Ups as power source so short power outages can be
bridged.



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(Kitchen), 1x Boom (Dining room), 1x piCorePlayer (jacuzzi), 1x
piCorePlayer (Garden) 1x OSMC + Squeezelite (Movie room), 1x Touch
(Study 2), few spare unit's (SB2, SB3, Boom, Touch)
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Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Upgrade LMS

2021-09-14 Thread mrw


zoleprole wrote: 
> First I'll install LMS on my laptop, can anyone get a link for an
> instruction video or something? 
> Thank you

Good idea.

You could start here: https://mysqueezebox.com/download



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Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Upgrade LMS

2021-09-14 Thread zoleprole


First I'll install LMS on my laptop, can anyone get a link for an
instruction video or something? 
Thank you



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Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Upgrade LMS

2021-09-14 Thread Michael Herger

Would a Raspberry Pi3 B+ suit the OP's application ? I believe it has
1GB ram, rather than the 2GB/4GB/8GB of the Pi4. But perhaps easier on
the purse, and if it works well enough...


I'm still using a 3B+ every day in the office. It's plenty powerful for 
my 20k tracks and some online music integration.

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Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Upgrade LMS

2021-09-14 Thread mrw


Jeff07971 wrote: 
> Only problem is that Pi4's with 2GB are in short supply, I've been
> looking for a while now.

Would a Raspberry Pi3 B+ suit the OP's application ? I believe it has
1GB ram, rather than the 2GB/4GB/8GB of the Pi4. But perhaps easier on
the purse, and if it works well enough...



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Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Upgrade LMS

2021-09-14 Thread Jeff07971


Man in a van wrote: 
> If just as a server; 2gb is enough (will also suffice for use as a
> server/player)
> 
> Although it never hurts, imo, to have more ram than one needs :):) and I
> would say 4 gb if you can justify the price increase.
> 
> The official power supply is also a recommended buy :)
> 
> I buy most of my sd cards from the "evil empire", this brand has proven
> reliable
> 
> 
> https://www.amazon.co.uk/SanDisk-microSDHC-Memory-Adapter-Performance/dp/B073K14CVB?th=1
> 
> ronnie


Only problem is that Pi4's with 2GB are in short supply, I've been
looking for a while now.

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Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Upgrade LMS

2021-09-14 Thread Tony T

zoleprole wrote: 
> Yes, you completely understood me.
> I'll buy Raspberry Pi only for LMS,
> is it necessary Pi 4 with 4 gb RAM or something cheaper ?

I have 2 piCore’s (2 locations). One on a pi 3, and one on a pi 4 w/ 4g
ram.   The only difference is that scanning my library is a bit faster
with the pi 4, but other than that, no difference in performance.  So, a
pi 4 with 4g is not necessary.  
I think that you can even run piCore on a raspberry pi Zero.



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Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Upgrade LMS

2021-09-14 Thread Man in a van


zoleprole wrote: 
> Yes, I am from Serbia,
> Does it matter  RAM? 2Gb or 4Gb?

If just as a server 2gb is enough (will also suffice for use as a
server/player)

Although it never hurts, imo, to have more ram than one needs :):) and I
would say 4 gb if you can justify the price increase.

The official power supply is also a recommended buy :)

I buy most of my sd cards from the "evil empire", this brand has proven
reliable


https://www.amazon.co.uk/SanDisk-microSDHC-Memory-Adapter-Performance/dp/B073K14CVB?th=1

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Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Upgrade LMS

2021-09-14 Thread zoleprole


Yes, I am from Serbia,
Does it matter  RAM? 2Gb or 4Gb?



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Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Upgrade LMS

2021-09-14 Thread Man in a van


zoleprole wrote: 
> Yes, you completely understood me.
> I'll buy Raspberry Pi only for LMS,
> is it necessary Pi 4 with 4 gb RAM or something cheaper ?

There is a shortage of raspberry pi worldwide at the moment.

I suggest that if you purchase new, use an Approved Reseller

https://www.raspberrypi.org/products/raspberry-pi-4-model-b/

I guess from your username you come from central /eastern Europe, but
may reside elsewhere :)

If you buy from the UK both PiHut and Pimoroni are recommended.

If you want to go cheaper a rpi3 (or better rpi3b+) from a second hand
seller might be an option. But, remember, *Buyer Beware!!* compare
prices with a new rpi and also shipping costs. 

Try and get an official rpi power supply and beware of fake micro SD
cards.

Enjoy :)

ronnie



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Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Upgrade LMS

2021-09-13 Thread zoleprole


Yes, you completely understood me.
I'll buy Raspberry Pi only for LMS,
is it necessary Pi 4 with 4 gb RAM or something cheaper ?



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Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Upgrade LMS

2021-09-13 Thread Redrum


garym wrote: 
> I had forgotten he was using the "tiny LMS" built into the TOUCH.  Yes
> that's mostly a disaster.  You'll be VERY happy with the TOUCH as a
> player and LMS running on your rPi4.  And you don't need a HAT, because
> your rPi won't be attached to the DAC. It will just run LMS.  The DAC
> will connect to the TOUCH via optical or coax.

@zoleprole - this is exactly what I am doing with two systems I use and
others I have built for friends - use the RPI as a LMS server only. It's
a relatively cheap investment - pi 3b+ or 4, power supply, sd card -
<$50USD. Case if you want

Of course you can also have the pi be a "player" also, but I still like
using my players = touch, radio, boom (and also Philippe's squeezeamp).


I setup a friend originally with a touch running "tiny LMS" with his
library on a usb jump drive, and while it worked, it crashed and became
very limited (no Radio Paradise FLAC, no https which many radio stations
and moving toward, etc.). So I just put together a pi for him as a
server only, installed it, and said "you owe me $50". :)

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Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Upgrade LMS

2021-09-13 Thread P Nelson


If you are looking for a simple solution to running LMS, there is
CORE32.  https://polyvection.com/en/product/core32/.
CORE32 will run LMS and talk to the Touch over your network (WiFI or
ethernet).  I have not used CORE32, but from reading the forum, it is
supposed to be more plug and play solution.



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Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Upgrade LMS

2021-09-13 Thread garym


I had forgotten he was using the "tiny LMS" built into the TOUCH.  Yes
that's mostly a disaster.  You'll be VERY happy with the TOUCH as a
player and LMS running on your rPi4.  And you don't need a HAT, because
your rPi won't be attached to the DAC. It will just run LMS.  The DAC
will connect to the TOUCH via optical or coax.



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(all ethernet)
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Radio w/Battery (Radio WIFI)
*Office:* Win10(64)>foobar2000
*The Wild: *rPi3B+/pCP7.x/4TB>LMS 8.1.x>hifiberry Dac+Pro (LMS &
Squeezelite) 
*Controllers:* iPhone11 & iPadAir3 (iPeng), CONTROLLER, Material Skin,
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Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Upgrade LMS

2021-09-13 Thread Redrum


garym wrote: 
> And I suspect your TOUCH is fine as player. first I'd add LMS to rPi4
> and use with TOUCH and see how that works. That's what Jeff was
> suggesting.

agree with Gary and Jeff. The probable reason that the Touch "got on
your nerves" is because you were running "tiny LMS" (built into the
touch). You can crash "tiny" if you ask it to do too much, and it hasn't
been supported or upgraded in years. I'm betting when you get a much
more powerful and supported LMS your love for your touch will
return

Jim



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Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Upgrade LMS

2021-09-13 Thread garym


And I suspect your TOUCH is fine as player. first I'd add LMS to rPi4
and use with TOUCH and see how that works. That's what Jeff was
suggesting.



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Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Upgrade LMS

2021-09-13 Thread garym


zoleprole wrote: 
> Is not correct, I can not conect RPi4 and my DAC without Allo DigiOne,
> am I right?
> Now understand what Jeff07971 advises me.

Does your DAC have a USB input. If so, you can connect to the USB on
your rPi4. Otherwise you'll need some sort of HAT (the Allo is just one
of many).



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Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Upgrade LMS

2021-09-13 Thread zoleprole


Is not correct, I can not conect RPi4 and my DAC without Allo DigiOne,
am I right?
Now understand what Jeff07971 advises me.



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Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Upgrade LMS

2021-09-13 Thread garym


zoleprole wrote: 
> I have DAC, and I don't need 2 players, and my ST sometimes  getting on
> my nerves.
> OK, I I need to buy RPi4 with 4 Gb RAM, some box, touch screen if I want
> to , power supply, sd card and that is all?
> Put my hard disk with music in usb on RPi4 and I listen to music .

correct. Put piCorePlayer on the SD card and you're in business.  See:
https://www.picoreplayer.org/



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Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Upgrade LMS

2021-09-13 Thread zoleprole


I have DAC, and I don't need 2 players, and my ST sometimes  getting on
my nerves.
OK, I I need to buy RPi4 with 4 Gb RAM, some box, touch screen if I want
to , power supply, sd card and that is all?
Put my hard disk with music in usb on RPi4 and I listen to music .



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Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Upgrade LMS

2021-09-13 Thread Jeff07971


zoleprole wrote: 
> OK, I understend, you suggest me replace my ST to Raspberry Pi 4.
> I will do that.
> For Raspberry Pi 4 it is not necessary separate computer, LMS install on
> SD card Raspberry Pi 4, right?

You can replace the ST with a RPi4 but do not have to.

You need the RPi to run LMS v8.2.1 ( The latest stable) as the ST
cannot
You can still use your Touch as the PLAYER and the RPi 4 running LMS is
the SERVER which handles the transcoding etc for your FLAC streams.
To begin you just need to burn a pCP (PicorePlayer) SDCard and put in
RPi

Later you can add a Dac HAT to the Rpi4 to have ANOTHER player if you
wish it is not REQUIRED

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Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Upgrade LMS

2021-09-13 Thread Paul Webster


Correct (if by computer you mean a computer that is not a Raspberry Pi
computer).



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Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Upgrade LMS

2021-09-13 Thread zoleprole


OK, I understend, you suggest me replace my ST to Raspberry Pi 4.
I will do that.
For Raspberry Pi 4 it is not necessary separate computer, LMS install on
SD card Raspberry Pi 4, right?



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Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Upgrade LMS

2021-09-13 Thread Jeff07971


zoleprole wrote: 
> And computer must be always turn on?

Needs to be on and booted before you can play from it yes.

A Raspberry Pi 4 makes a good and well supported LMS server using
PicorePlayer
You can leave this on 24/7 as its low powered 5W or so


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Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Upgrade LMS

2021-09-13 Thread zoleprole


And computer must be always turn on?



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Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Upgrade LMS

2021-09-13 Thread mrw


zoleprole wrote: 
> Where I install LMS , on hard disk which I put in ST or separate
> computer like laptop?

On a separate computer.



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Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Upgrade LMS

2021-09-13 Thread zoleprole


Where I install LMS , on hard disk which I put in ST or separate
computer like laptop?



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Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Upgrade LMS

2021-08-31 Thread Redrum


slartibartfast wrote: 
> No
> 
> Sent from my Pixel 3a using Tapatalk

zoleprole, maybe the next best thing would be to listen to any of the RP
stations via the high bitrate (320kbps) AAC or MP3 links:
https://radioparadise.com/listen/stream-links

Jim



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Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Upgrade LMS

2021-08-31 Thread slartibartfast


zoleprole wrote: 
> I only want listen radio station directly from ST, but I want lossless
> radio station, is this possible?No

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Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Upgrade LMS

2021-08-31 Thread zoleprole


I only want listen radio station directly from ST, but I want lossless
radio station, is this possible?



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Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Upgrade LMS

2021-08-31 Thread slartibartfast


zoleprole wrote: 
> Does that mean I can not listen Radio paradise directly from my ST like
> another radio stations?
> Do I need computer turn on when I want listen Radio Paradise in flac?You 
> might find a Radio Paradise stream by searching but you definitely
can't listen to the FLAC streams without LMS on a server. The
Polyvection Core32 might be a good alternative for you if you don't want
to use a computer or a Raspberry Pi.

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Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Upgrade LMS

2021-08-31 Thread zoleprole


Does that mean I can not listen Radio paradise directly from my ST like
another radio stations?
Do I need computer turn on when I want listen Radio Paradise in flac?



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Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Upgrade LMS

2021-08-30 Thread Michael Herger

I have ST with software 7.7.3 and Kernel digital output.
I want to listen Radio Paradise, yes I now, I read all topic of them,
but I don't understand how first install software 7.9 to ST?


Are you using the "Tiny LMS" built in to the Squeezebox Touch? You can't 
install any plugins on the Touch directly. You'd have to install LMS on 
a computer or Raspberry Pi or something first.

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[SlimDevices: Touch] Upgrade LMS

2021-08-30 Thread zoleprole


I have ST with software 7.7.3 and Kernel digital output.
I want to listen Radio Paradise, yes I now, I read all topic of them,
but I don't understand how first install software 7.9 to ST?
ST for update software have only 7.7.3. 
Do I have need computer for this problem?
Sorry I dumb for technical



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