[Touch-packages] [Bug 2039252] Re: [needs-packaging] The packages ntp and ntpsec are not equivalent
Another problem with this just being replaced with a package that is not feature-compatible: Requiring a switch to unicast also necessitates firewall changes across the entire network, if multicast or broadcast was previously in use. Firewalls between the clients and the NTP servers will either require a stateless ACL entry added for UDP/123 bi-directionally, which is undesirable, or perform inspection on udp/123 packets toward the server so they can maintain state entries for those UDP sessions every time a client polls the server. The configuration change is simple, but it's not nothing. Sites with limited available WAN bandwidth (think analog modems, low- speed wireless links, fractional PRI, BRI, satellite with analog modem uplink, etc) can also experience a negative impact from the extra traffic, including more packet loss, higher delay, more clock spread among the systems behind that link, and impact to other traffic that needs to use that link. A single multicast or directed broadcast over those links achieves reasonable clock synchronization with minimal impact and can be QoSed high enough to be unlikely to drop when congested. With bi-directional unicast traffic, keeping that high DSCP means NTP would now have a much larger impact on all other traffic. Reducing it would lead to more queued or dropped NTP packets, unpredictably, for each client. None of these issues are major and all have workarounds or solutions available, either with ntpsec or by switching to a different package. But they are cases impacted by this swap to add to the list of reasons ntp silently being swapped for ntpsec is non-ideal while being aliased as ntp. I'm all for ntpsec being the new default (or chrony or timesyncd), but ntpsec is not ntp and it is a breaking change to treat it like it is. -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Touch seeded packages, which is subscribed to ntp in Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/2039252 Title: [needs-packaging] The packages ntp and ntpsec are not equivalent Status in NTP: Confirmed Status in ntp package in Ubuntu: Confirmed Status in ntp package in Juju Charms Collection: Confirmed Status in ntp package in Debian: Confirmed Bug description: I recently did an install of Ubuntu 23.04 and then configured ntp as I have been doing so for more than 8 years. With previous versions of Debian and Ubuntu using the real ntp package, the details at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/JonathanFerguson/NTP?action=recall&rev=38 created the desired results. I updated the details at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/JonathanFerguson/NTP with the new location of ntp.conf, after restarting I noticed that the resultant output was missing requisite details. Compare the following and the lack of ".MCST." and ".ACST.": Original ntp on Apollo-Lake-N3150 jonathan@Apollo-Lake-N3450:~$ lsb_release -rd Description:Ubuntu 22.04.3 LTS Release:22.04 jonathan@Apollo-Lake-N3450:~$ ntpq -p remote refid st t when poll reach delay offset jitter == 0.ubuntu.pool.n .POOL. 16 p- 6400.000 +0.000 0.000 1.ubuntu.pool.n .POOL. 16 p- 6400.000 +0.000 0.000 2.ubuntu.pool.n .POOL. 16 p- 6400.000 +0.000 0.000 3.ubuntu.pool.n .POOL. 16 p- 6400.000 +0.000 0.000 ntp.ubuntu.com .POOL. 16 p- 6400.000 +0.000 0.000 ntp.mcast.net .MCST. 16 M- 6400.000 +0.000 0.000 ff0e::101 .MCST. 16 M- 6400.000 +0.000 0.000 ntp.mcast.net .ACST. 16 a- 6400.000 +0.000 0.000 ff0e::101 .ACST. 16 a- 6400.000 +0.000 0.000 *time.cloudflare 10.242.8.77 3 u 469 1024 367 234.691 -0.929 67.380 +2001-44b8-2100- 42.3.115.79 2 u 581 1024 377 487.209 +55.669 57.154 +2001-44b8-2100- 4.179.66.17 3 u 215 1024 377 489.637 +57.002 35.399 jonathan@Apollo-Lake-N3450:~$ NTPsec on Braswell-N3150 jonathan@Braswell-N3150:~$ lsb_release -rd No LSB modules are available. Description:Ubuntu 23.04 Release:23.04 jonathan@Braswell-N3150:~$ ntpq -p remote refid st t when poll reach delay offset jitter === 0.ubuntu.pool.ntp.org .POOL. 16 p- 2560 0. 0. 0.0002 1.ubuntu.pool.ntp.org .POOL. 16 p- 2560 0. 0. 0.0002 2.ubuntu.pool.ntp.org .POOL. 16 p- 2560 0. 0. 0.0002 3.ubuntu.pool.ntp.org .POOL. 16 p- 640 0. 0.00
[Touch-packages] [Bug 2039252] Re: [needs-packaging] The packages ntp and ntpsec are not equivalent
Please note that its not always possible to switch to unicast. We use multicast NTP to synchronize via a unidirectional fiber diode, which is one way only: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unidirectional_network -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Touch seeded packages, which is subscribed to ntp in Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/2039252 Title: [needs-packaging] The packages ntp and ntpsec are not equivalent Status in NTP: Confirmed Status in ntp package in Ubuntu: Confirmed Status in ntp package in Juju Charms Collection: Confirmed Status in ntp package in Debian: Confirmed Bug description: I recently did an install of Ubuntu 23.04 and then configured ntp as I have been doing so for more than 8 years. With previous versions of Debian and Ubuntu using the real ntp package, the details at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/JonathanFerguson/NTP?action=recall&rev=38 created the desired results. I updated the details at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/JonathanFerguson/NTP with the new location of ntp.conf, after restarting I noticed that the resultant output was missing requisite details. Compare the following and the lack of ".MCST." and ".ACST.": Original ntp on Apollo-Lake-N3150 jonathan@Apollo-Lake-N3450:~$ lsb_release -rd Description:Ubuntu 22.04.3 LTS Release:22.04 jonathan@Apollo-Lake-N3450:~$ ntpq -p remote refid st t when poll reach delay offset jitter == 0.ubuntu.pool.n .POOL. 16 p- 6400.000 +0.000 0.000 1.ubuntu.pool.n .POOL. 16 p- 6400.000 +0.000 0.000 2.ubuntu.pool.n .POOL. 16 p- 6400.000 +0.000 0.000 3.ubuntu.pool.n .POOL. 16 p- 6400.000 +0.000 0.000 ntp.ubuntu.com .POOL. 16 p- 6400.000 +0.000 0.000 ntp.mcast.net .MCST. 16 M- 6400.000 +0.000 0.000 ff0e::101 .MCST. 16 M- 6400.000 +0.000 0.000 ntp.mcast.net .ACST. 16 a- 6400.000 +0.000 0.000 ff0e::101 .ACST. 16 a- 6400.000 +0.000 0.000 *time.cloudflare 10.242.8.77 3 u 469 1024 367 234.691 -0.929 67.380 +2001-44b8-2100- 42.3.115.79 2 u 581 1024 377 487.209 +55.669 57.154 +2001-44b8-2100- 4.179.66.17 3 u 215 1024 377 489.637 +57.002 35.399 jonathan@Apollo-Lake-N3450:~$ NTPsec on Braswell-N3150 jonathan@Braswell-N3150:~$ lsb_release -rd No LSB modules are available. Description:Ubuntu 23.04 Release:23.04 jonathan@Braswell-N3150:~$ ntpq -p remote refid st t when poll reach delay offset jitter === 0.ubuntu.pool.ntp.org .POOL. 16 p- 2560 0. 0. 0.0002 1.ubuntu.pool.ntp.org .POOL. 16 p- 2560 0. 0. 0.0002 2.ubuntu.pool.ntp.org .POOL. 16 p- 2560 0. 0. 0.0002 3.ubuntu.pool.ntp.org .POOL. 16 p- 640 0. 0. 0.0002 +prod-ntp-5.ntp1.ps5.canonical.com 37.15.221.1892 u 141 1024 367 383.4932 -19.6895 35.0534 *time.tfmcloud.au203.35.83.2422 u 325 1024 367 325.9317 -0.1496 43.0522 +any.time.nl 133.243.238.243 2 u 158 1024 373 300.7941 -20.8962 136.1422 +ntp2.its.waikato.ac.nz .GPS.1 u 363 1024 377 356.5361 -18.2740 140.5984 +2001-44b8-2100-3f00---007b-0004 42.3.115.79 2 u 214 1024 367 490.3898 28.3416 2.7728 +tic.ntp.telstra.net 203.35.83.2422 u 13 1024 367 566.0744 -14.1332 6.0377 +863xqmprtfqv69pv7nwc.ip6.superloop.au 192.168.1.1 2 u 79 1024 367 330.2658 -14.3483 16.2172 +gps-ads.10mrlp.juneks.com.au.PPS.1 u 271 1024 367 443.4812 -71.8020 44.6332 +x.ns.gin.ntt.net129.250.35.222 2 u 57 1024 367 22.4974 41.3055 6.0639 jonathan@Braswell-N3150:~$ This behaviour will affect the following: Ubuntu 22.10, 23.04 and 23.10 Debian 12, 13 and 14 NTPsec have documented their reasoning for lacking support. https://docs.ntpsec.org/latest/discover.html https://docs.ntpsec.org/latest/ntpsec.html https://docs.ntpsec.org/latest/assoc.html#broad https://docs.ntpsec.org/latest/assoc.html#many The issue remains that ntp and ntpsec are not capability equivalent. I foresee two means of rectifying this predicament, if NTPsec is going to be the default implementation of NTP then ntpsec needs to implement all of the capabil
[Touch-packages] [Bug 2039252] Re: [needs-packaging] The packages ntp and ntpsec are not equivalent
https://charmhub.io/ntp/configure ntp_package | string If set to "ntp" the ntp package will be installed and configured, or if set to "chrony" the chrony package will be installed and configured. If unspecified the appropriate package will be selected based on the operating system. Please note that the use of ntp on Ubuntu bionic or later is not recommended as it does not receive security updates. ** Package changed: charms => ntp (Juju Charms Collection) ** Changed in: ntp (Juju Charms Collection) Status: New => Confirmed -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Touch seeded packages, which is subscribed to ntp in Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/2039252 Title: [needs-packaging] The packages ntp and ntpsec are not equivalent Status in NTP: Confirmed Status in ntp package in Ubuntu: Confirmed Status in ntp package in Juju Charms Collection: Confirmed Status in ntp package in Debian: Confirmed Bug description: I recently did an install of Ubuntu 23.04 and then configured ntp as I have been doing so for more than 8 years. With previous versions of Debian and Ubuntu using the real ntp package, the details at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/JonathanFerguson/NTP?action=recall&rev=38 created the desired results. I updated the details at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/JonathanFerguson/NTP with the new location of ntp.conf, after restarting I noticed that the resultant output was missing requisite details. Compare the following and the lack of ".MCST." and ".ACST.": Original ntp on Apollo-Lake-N3150 jonathan@Apollo-Lake-N3450:~$ lsb_release -rd Description:Ubuntu 22.04.3 LTS Release:22.04 jonathan@Apollo-Lake-N3450:~$ ntpq -p remote refid st t when poll reach delay offset jitter == 0.ubuntu.pool.n .POOL. 16 p- 6400.000 +0.000 0.000 1.ubuntu.pool.n .POOL. 16 p- 6400.000 +0.000 0.000 2.ubuntu.pool.n .POOL. 16 p- 6400.000 +0.000 0.000 3.ubuntu.pool.n .POOL. 16 p- 6400.000 +0.000 0.000 ntp.ubuntu.com .POOL. 16 p- 6400.000 +0.000 0.000 ntp.mcast.net .MCST. 16 M- 6400.000 +0.000 0.000 ff0e::101 .MCST. 16 M- 6400.000 +0.000 0.000 ntp.mcast.net .ACST. 16 a- 6400.000 +0.000 0.000 ff0e::101 .ACST. 16 a- 6400.000 +0.000 0.000 *time.cloudflare 10.242.8.77 3 u 469 1024 367 234.691 -0.929 67.380 +2001-44b8-2100- 42.3.115.79 2 u 581 1024 377 487.209 +55.669 57.154 +2001-44b8-2100- 4.179.66.17 3 u 215 1024 377 489.637 +57.002 35.399 jonathan@Apollo-Lake-N3450:~$ NTPsec on Braswell-N3150 jonathan@Braswell-N3150:~$ lsb_release -rd No LSB modules are available. Description:Ubuntu 23.04 Release:23.04 jonathan@Braswell-N3150:~$ ntpq -p remote refid st t when poll reach delay offset jitter === 0.ubuntu.pool.ntp.org .POOL. 16 p- 2560 0. 0. 0.0002 1.ubuntu.pool.ntp.org .POOL. 16 p- 2560 0. 0. 0.0002 2.ubuntu.pool.ntp.org .POOL. 16 p- 2560 0. 0. 0.0002 3.ubuntu.pool.ntp.org .POOL. 16 p- 640 0. 0. 0.0002 +prod-ntp-5.ntp1.ps5.canonical.com 37.15.221.1892 u 141 1024 367 383.4932 -19.6895 35.0534 *time.tfmcloud.au203.35.83.2422 u 325 1024 367 325.9317 -0.1496 43.0522 +any.time.nl 133.243.238.243 2 u 158 1024 373 300.7941 -20.8962 136.1422 +ntp2.its.waikato.ac.nz .GPS.1 u 363 1024 377 356.5361 -18.2740 140.5984 +2001-44b8-2100-3f00---007b-0004 42.3.115.79 2 u 214 1024 367 490.3898 28.3416 2.7728 +tic.ntp.telstra.net 203.35.83.2422 u 13 1024 367 566.0744 -14.1332 6.0377 +863xqmprtfqv69pv7nwc.ip6.superloop.au 192.168.1.1 2 u 79 1024 367 330.2658 -14.3483 16.2172 +gps-ads.10mrlp.juneks.com.au.PPS.1 u 271 1024 367 443.4812 -71.8020 44.6332 +x.ns.gin.ntt.net129.250.35.222 2 u 57 1024 367 22.4974 41.3055 6.0639 jonathan@Braswell-N3150:~$ This behaviour will affect the following: Ubuntu 22.10, 23.04 and 23.10 Debian 12, 13 and 14 NTPsec have documented their reasoning for lacking support. https://docs.ntpsec.org/latest/discover.html https://docs.ntpsec.org/latest/ntpsec.html https:
[Touch-packages] [Bug 2039252] Re: [needs-packaging] The packages ntp and ntpsec are not equivalent
https://packages.ubuntu.com/noble/ntp I now see that Noble has a package for ntp but it is a transitional package to ntpsec instead of the real ntp package. — This is an extremely dangerous situation for the Long Term Support release. -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Touch seeded packages, which is subscribed to ntp in Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/2039252 Title: [needs-packaging] The packages ntp and ntpsec are not equivalent Status in NTP: Confirmed Status in ntp package in Ubuntu: Confirmed Status in Juju Charms Collection: New Status in ntp package in Debian: Confirmed Bug description: I recently did an install of Ubuntu 23.04 and then configured ntp as I have been doing so for more than 8 years. With previous versions of Debian and Ubuntu using the real ntp package, the details at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/JonathanFerguson/NTP?action=recall&rev=38 created the desired results. I updated the details at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/JonathanFerguson/NTP with the new location of ntp.conf, after restarting I noticed that the resultant output was missing requisite details. Compare the following and the lack of ".MCST." and ".ACST.": Original ntp on Apollo-Lake-N3150 jonathan@Apollo-Lake-N3450:~$ lsb_release -rd Description:Ubuntu 22.04.3 LTS Release:22.04 jonathan@Apollo-Lake-N3450:~$ ntpq -p remote refid st t when poll reach delay offset jitter == 0.ubuntu.pool.n .POOL. 16 p- 6400.000 +0.000 0.000 1.ubuntu.pool.n .POOL. 16 p- 6400.000 +0.000 0.000 2.ubuntu.pool.n .POOL. 16 p- 6400.000 +0.000 0.000 3.ubuntu.pool.n .POOL. 16 p- 6400.000 +0.000 0.000 ntp.ubuntu.com .POOL. 16 p- 6400.000 +0.000 0.000 ntp.mcast.net .MCST. 16 M- 6400.000 +0.000 0.000 ff0e::101 .MCST. 16 M- 6400.000 +0.000 0.000 ntp.mcast.net .ACST. 16 a- 6400.000 +0.000 0.000 ff0e::101 .ACST. 16 a- 6400.000 +0.000 0.000 *time.cloudflare 10.242.8.77 3 u 469 1024 367 234.691 -0.929 67.380 +2001-44b8-2100- 42.3.115.79 2 u 581 1024 377 487.209 +55.669 57.154 +2001-44b8-2100- 4.179.66.17 3 u 215 1024 377 489.637 +57.002 35.399 jonathan@Apollo-Lake-N3450:~$ NTPsec on Braswell-N3150 jonathan@Braswell-N3150:~$ lsb_release -rd No LSB modules are available. Description:Ubuntu 23.04 Release:23.04 jonathan@Braswell-N3150:~$ ntpq -p remote refid st t when poll reach delay offset jitter === 0.ubuntu.pool.ntp.org .POOL. 16 p- 2560 0. 0. 0.0002 1.ubuntu.pool.ntp.org .POOL. 16 p- 2560 0. 0. 0.0002 2.ubuntu.pool.ntp.org .POOL. 16 p- 2560 0. 0. 0.0002 3.ubuntu.pool.ntp.org .POOL. 16 p- 640 0. 0. 0.0002 +prod-ntp-5.ntp1.ps5.canonical.com 37.15.221.1892 u 141 1024 367 383.4932 -19.6895 35.0534 *time.tfmcloud.au203.35.83.2422 u 325 1024 367 325.9317 -0.1496 43.0522 +any.time.nl 133.243.238.243 2 u 158 1024 373 300.7941 -20.8962 136.1422 +ntp2.its.waikato.ac.nz .GPS.1 u 363 1024 377 356.5361 -18.2740 140.5984 +2001-44b8-2100-3f00---007b-0004 42.3.115.79 2 u 214 1024 367 490.3898 28.3416 2.7728 +tic.ntp.telstra.net 203.35.83.2422 u 13 1024 367 566.0744 -14.1332 6.0377 +863xqmprtfqv69pv7nwc.ip6.superloop.au 192.168.1.1 2 u 79 1024 367 330.2658 -14.3483 16.2172 +gps-ads.10mrlp.juneks.com.au.PPS.1 u 271 1024 367 443.4812 -71.8020 44.6332 +x.ns.gin.ntt.net129.250.35.222 2 u 57 1024 367 22.4974 41.3055 6.0639 jonathan@Braswell-N3150:~$ This behaviour will affect the following: Ubuntu 22.10, 23.04 and 23.10 Debian 12, 13 and 14 NTPsec have documented their reasoning for lacking support. https://docs.ntpsec.org/latest/discover.html https://docs.ntpsec.org/latest/ntpsec.html https://docs.ntpsec.org/latest/assoc.html#broad https://docs.ntpsec.org/latest/assoc.html#many The issue remains that ntp and ntpsec are not capability equivalent. I foresee two means of rectifying this predicament, if NTPsec is going to be the default implementation of NTP then ntpsec needs to implement all of the c
[Touch-packages] [Bug 2039252] Re: [needs-packaging] The packages ntp and ntpsec are not equivalent
** Also affects: charms Importance: Undecided Status: New ** Changed in: ntp Status: New => Confirmed -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Touch seeded packages, which is subscribed to ntp in Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/2039252 Title: [needs-packaging] The packages ntp and ntpsec are not equivalent Status in NTP: Confirmed Status in ntp package in Ubuntu: Confirmed Status in Juju Charms Collection: New Status in ntp package in Debian: Confirmed Bug description: I recently did an install of Ubuntu 23.04 and then configured ntp as I have been doing so for more than 8 years. With previous versions of Debian and Ubuntu using the real ntp package, the details at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/JonathanFerguson/NTP?action=recall&rev=38 created the desired results. I updated the details at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/JonathanFerguson/NTP with the new location of ntp.conf, after restarting I noticed that the resultant output was missing requisite details. Compare the following and the lack of ".MCST." and ".ACST.": Original ntp on Apollo-Lake-N3150 jonathan@Apollo-Lake-N3450:~$ lsb_release -rd Description:Ubuntu 22.04.3 LTS Release:22.04 jonathan@Apollo-Lake-N3450:~$ ntpq -p remote refid st t when poll reach delay offset jitter == 0.ubuntu.pool.n .POOL. 16 p- 6400.000 +0.000 0.000 1.ubuntu.pool.n .POOL. 16 p- 6400.000 +0.000 0.000 2.ubuntu.pool.n .POOL. 16 p- 6400.000 +0.000 0.000 3.ubuntu.pool.n .POOL. 16 p- 6400.000 +0.000 0.000 ntp.ubuntu.com .POOL. 16 p- 6400.000 +0.000 0.000 ntp.mcast.net .MCST. 16 M- 6400.000 +0.000 0.000 ff0e::101 .MCST. 16 M- 6400.000 +0.000 0.000 ntp.mcast.net .ACST. 16 a- 6400.000 +0.000 0.000 ff0e::101 .ACST. 16 a- 6400.000 +0.000 0.000 *time.cloudflare 10.242.8.77 3 u 469 1024 367 234.691 -0.929 67.380 +2001-44b8-2100- 42.3.115.79 2 u 581 1024 377 487.209 +55.669 57.154 +2001-44b8-2100- 4.179.66.17 3 u 215 1024 377 489.637 +57.002 35.399 jonathan@Apollo-Lake-N3450:~$ NTPsec on Braswell-N3150 jonathan@Braswell-N3150:~$ lsb_release -rd No LSB modules are available. Description:Ubuntu 23.04 Release:23.04 jonathan@Braswell-N3150:~$ ntpq -p remote refid st t when poll reach delay offset jitter === 0.ubuntu.pool.ntp.org .POOL. 16 p- 2560 0. 0. 0.0002 1.ubuntu.pool.ntp.org .POOL. 16 p- 2560 0. 0. 0.0002 2.ubuntu.pool.ntp.org .POOL. 16 p- 2560 0. 0. 0.0002 3.ubuntu.pool.ntp.org .POOL. 16 p- 640 0. 0. 0.0002 +prod-ntp-5.ntp1.ps5.canonical.com 37.15.221.1892 u 141 1024 367 383.4932 -19.6895 35.0534 *time.tfmcloud.au203.35.83.2422 u 325 1024 367 325.9317 -0.1496 43.0522 +any.time.nl 133.243.238.243 2 u 158 1024 373 300.7941 -20.8962 136.1422 +ntp2.its.waikato.ac.nz .GPS.1 u 363 1024 377 356.5361 -18.2740 140.5984 +2001-44b8-2100-3f00---007b-0004 42.3.115.79 2 u 214 1024 367 490.3898 28.3416 2.7728 +tic.ntp.telstra.net 203.35.83.2422 u 13 1024 367 566.0744 -14.1332 6.0377 +863xqmprtfqv69pv7nwc.ip6.superloop.au 192.168.1.1 2 u 79 1024 367 330.2658 -14.3483 16.2172 +gps-ads.10mrlp.juneks.com.au.PPS.1 u 271 1024 367 443.4812 -71.8020 44.6332 +x.ns.gin.ntt.net129.250.35.222 2 u 57 1024 367 22.4974 41.3055 6.0639 jonathan@Braswell-N3150:~$ This behaviour will affect the following: Ubuntu 22.10, 23.04 and 23.10 Debian 12, 13 and 14 NTPsec have documented their reasoning for lacking support. https://docs.ntpsec.org/latest/discover.html https://docs.ntpsec.org/latest/ntpsec.html https://docs.ntpsec.org/latest/assoc.html#broad https://docs.ntpsec.org/latest/assoc.html#many The issue remains that ntp and ntpsec are not capability equivalent. I foresee two means of rectifying this predicament, if NTPsec is going to be the default implementation of NTP then ntpsec needs to implement all of the capabilities of ntp, or the easier alternative is that the real ntp https://www.ntp.org/downloads/ is packaged as nt
[Touch-packages] [Bug 2039252] Re: [needs-packaging] The packages ntp and ntpsec are not equivalent
I found the thread on the Debian Developers' Mailing List that Richard Laager (rlaager) mentioned. https://lists.debian.org/debian- devel/2022/01/msg00172.html I read through all of the replies in the aforementioned thread. There is this devastating nugget that is not expounded upon and is the same crux I am bringing to the Ubuntu community's attention: "Sounds good, I'd like to have a few more reviewers though. ntp is aged, but according to popcon the transition could affect ~25% of the Debian installations." https://lists.debian.org/debian-devel/2022/01/msg00211.html I believe that it is critical that Ubuntu makes available the most feature complete standards complying NTP daemon. https://www.rfc- editor.org/rfc/rfc5905 The present LTS, 22.04, has the original ntp package. To advert disaster for a substantial number of users, Ubuntu will need the original ntp package available when 24.04LTS is released. -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Touch seeded packages, which is subscribed to ntp in Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/2039252 Title: [needs-packaging] The packages ntp and ntpsec are not equivalent Status in NTP: New Status in ntp package in Ubuntu: Confirmed Status in ntp package in Debian: Confirmed Bug description: I recently did an install of Ubuntu 23.04 and then configured ntp as I have been doing so for more than 8 years. With previous versions of Debian and Ubuntu using the real ntp package, the details at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/JonathanFerguson/NTP?action=recall&rev=38 created the desired results. I updated the details at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/JonathanFerguson/NTP with the new location of ntp.conf, after restarting I noticed that the resultant output was missing requisite details. Compare the following and the lack of ".MCST." and ".ACST.": Original ntp on Apollo-Lake-N3150 jonathan@Apollo-Lake-N3450:~$ lsb_release -rd Description:Ubuntu 22.04.3 LTS Release:22.04 jonathan@Apollo-Lake-N3450:~$ ntpq -p remote refid st t when poll reach delay offset jitter == 0.ubuntu.pool.n .POOL. 16 p- 6400.000 +0.000 0.000 1.ubuntu.pool.n .POOL. 16 p- 6400.000 +0.000 0.000 2.ubuntu.pool.n .POOL. 16 p- 6400.000 +0.000 0.000 3.ubuntu.pool.n .POOL. 16 p- 6400.000 +0.000 0.000 ntp.ubuntu.com .POOL. 16 p- 6400.000 +0.000 0.000 ntp.mcast.net .MCST. 16 M- 6400.000 +0.000 0.000 ff0e::101 .MCST. 16 M- 6400.000 +0.000 0.000 ntp.mcast.net .ACST. 16 a- 6400.000 +0.000 0.000 ff0e::101 .ACST. 16 a- 6400.000 +0.000 0.000 *time.cloudflare 10.242.8.77 3 u 469 1024 367 234.691 -0.929 67.380 +2001-44b8-2100- 42.3.115.79 2 u 581 1024 377 487.209 +55.669 57.154 +2001-44b8-2100- 4.179.66.17 3 u 215 1024 377 489.637 +57.002 35.399 jonathan@Apollo-Lake-N3450:~$ NTPsec on Braswell-N3150 jonathan@Braswell-N3150:~$ lsb_release -rd No LSB modules are available. Description:Ubuntu 23.04 Release:23.04 jonathan@Braswell-N3150:~$ ntpq -p remote refid st t when poll reach delay offset jitter === 0.ubuntu.pool.ntp.org .POOL. 16 p- 2560 0. 0. 0.0002 1.ubuntu.pool.ntp.org .POOL. 16 p- 2560 0. 0. 0.0002 2.ubuntu.pool.ntp.org .POOL. 16 p- 2560 0. 0. 0.0002 3.ubuntu.pool.ntp.org .POOL. 16 p- 640 0. 0. 0.0002 +prod-ntp-5.ntp1.ps5.canonical.com 37.15.221.1892 u 141 1024 367 383.4932 -19.6895 35.0534 *time.tfmcloud.au203.35.83.2422 u 325 1024 367 325.9317 -0.1496 43.0522 +any.time.nl 133.243.238.243 2 u 158 1024 373 300.7941 -20.8962 136.1422 +ntp2.its.waikato.ac.nz .GPS.1 u 363 1024 377 356.5361 -18.2740 140.5984 +2001-44b8-2100-3f00---007b-0004 42.3.115.79 2 u 214 1024 367 490.3898 28.3416 2.7728 +tic.ntp.telstra.net 203.35.83.2422 u 13 1024 367 566.0744 -14.1332 6.0377 +863xqmprtfqv69pv7nwc.ip6.superloop.au 192.168.1.1 2 u 79 1024 367 330.2658 -14.3483 16.2172 +gps-ads.10mrlp.juneks.com.au.PPS.1 u 271 1024 367 443.4812 -71.8020 44.6332 +x.ns.gin.ntt.net129.250.35.222 2 u 57 1024 367
[Touch-packages] [Bug 2039252] Re: [needs-packaging] The packages ntp and ntpsec are not equivalent
** Bug watch added: Email to rlaager@debian # mailto:rlaa...@debian.org ** Also affects: ntp via mailto:rlaa...@debian.org Importance: Undecided Status: New -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Touch seeded packages, which is subscribed to ntp in Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/2039252 Title: [needs-packaging] The packages ntp and ntpsec are not equivalent Status in NTP: New Status in ntp package in Ubuntu: Confirmed Status in ntp package in Debian: Confirmed Bug description: I recently did an install of Ubuntu 23.04 and then configured ntp as I have been doing so for more than 8 years. With previous versions of Debian and Ubuntu using the real ntp package, the details at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/JonathanFerguson/NTP?action=recall&rev=38 created the desired results. I updated the details at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/JonathanFerguson/NTP with the new location of ntp.conf, after restarting I noticed that the resultant output was missing requisite details. Compare the following and the lack of ".MCST." and ".ACST.": Original ntp on Apollo-Lake-N3150 jonathan@Apollo-Lake-N3450:~$ lsb_release -rd Description:Ubuntu 22.04.3 LTS Release:22.04 jonathan@Apollo-Lake-N3450:~$ ntpq -p remote refid st t when poll reach delay offset jitter == 0.ubuntu.pool.n .POOL. 16 p- 6400.000 +0.000 0.000 1.ubuntu.pool.n .POOL. 16 p- 6400.000 +0.000 0.000 2.ubuntu.pool.n .POOL. 16 p- 6400.000 +0.000 0.000 3.ubuntu.pool.n .POOL. 16 p- 6400.000 +0.000 0.000 ntp.ubuntu.com .POOL. 16 p- 6400.000 +0.000 0.000 ntp.mcast.net .MCST. 16 M- 6400.000 +0.000 0.000 ff0e::101 .MCST. 16 M- 6400.000 +0.000 0.000 ntp.mcast.net .ACST. 16 a- 6400.000 +0.000 0.000 ff0e::101 .ACST. 16 a- 6400.000 +0.000 0.000 *time.cloudflare 10.242.8.77 3 u 469 1024 367 234.691 -0.929 67.380 +2001-44b8-2100- 42.3.115.79 2 u 581 1024 377 487.209 +55.669 57.154 +2001-44b8-2100- 4.179.66.17 3 u 215 1024 377 489.637 +57.002 35.399 jonathan@Apollo-Lake-N3450:~$ NTPsec on Braswell-N3150 jonathan@Braswell-N3150:~$ lsb_release -rd No LSB modules are available. Description:Ubuntu 23.04 Release:23.04 jonathan@Braswell-N3150:~$ ntpq -p remote refid st t when poll reach delay offset jitter === 0.ubuntu.pool.ntp.org .POOL. 16 p- 2560 0. 0. 0.0002 1.ubuntu.pool.ntp.org .POOL. 16 p- 2560 0. 0. 0.0002 2.ubuntu.pool.ntp.org .POOL. 16 p- 2560 0. 0. 0.0002 3.ubuntu.pool.ntp.org .POOL. 16 p- 640 0. 0. 0.0002 +prod-ntp-5.ntp1.ps5.canonical.com 37.15.221.1892 u 141 1024 367 383.4932 -19.6895 35.0534 *time.tfmcloud.au203.35.83.2422 u 325 1024 367 325.9317 -0.1496 43.0522 +any.time.nl 133.243.238.243 2 u 158 1024 373 300.7941 -20.8962 136.1422 +ntp2.its.waikato.ac.nz .GPS.1 u 363 1024 377 356.5361 -18.2740 140.5984 +2001-44b8-2100-3f00---007b-0004 42.3.115.79 2 u 214 1024 367 490.3898 28.3416 2.7728 +tic.ntp.telstra.net 203.35.83.2422 u 13 1024 367 566.0744 -14.1332 6.0377 +863xqmprtfqv69pv7nwc.ip6.superloop.au 192.168.1.1 2 u 79 1024 367 330.2658 -14.3483 16.2172 +gps-ads.10mrlp.juneks.com.au.PPS.1 u 271 1024 367 443.4812 -71.8020 44.6332 +x.ns.gin.ntt.net129.250.35.222 2 u 57 1024 367 22.4974 41.3055 6.0639 jonathan@Braswell-N3150:~$ This behaviour will affect the following: Ubuntu 22.10, 23.04 and 23.10 Debian 12, 13 and 14 NTPsec have documented their reasoning for lacking support. https://docs.ntpsec.org/latest/discover.html https://docs.ntpsec.org/latest/ntpsec.html https://docs.ntpsec.org/latest/assoc.html#broad https://docs.ntpsec.org/latest/assoc.html#many The issue remains that ntp and ntpsec are not capability equivalent. I foresee two means of rectifying this predicament, if NTPsec is going to be the default implementation of NTP then ntpsec needs to implement all of the capabilities of ntp, or the easier alternative is that the real ntp https://www.ntp.org/downloads/ is packag
[Touch-packages] [Bug 2039252] Re: [needs-packaging] The packages ntp and ntpsec are not equivalent
*** This is an automated message *** This bug is tagged needs-packaging which identifies it as a request for a new package in Ubuntu. As a part of the managing needs-packaging bug reports specification, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/QATeam/Specs/NeedsPackagingBugs, all needs- packaging bug reports have Wishlist importance. Subsequently, I'm setting this bug's status to Wishlist. ** Summary changed: - The packages ntp and ntpsec are not equivalent + [needs-packaging] The packages ntp and ntpsec are not equivalent ** Changed in: ntp (Ubuntu) Importance: Undecided => Wishlist -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Touch seeded packages, which is subscribed to ntp in Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/2039252 Title: [needs-packaging] The packages ntp and ntpsec are not equivalent Status in ntp package in Ubuntu: Confirmed Status in ntp package in Debian: Confirmed Bug description: I recently did an install of Ubuntu 23.04 and then configured ntp as I have been doing so for more than 8 years. With previous versions of Debian and Ubuntu using the real ntp package, the details at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/JonathanFerguson/NTP?action=recall&rev=38 created the desired results. I updated the details at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/JonathanFerguson/NTP with the new location of ntp.conf, after restarting I noticed that the resultant output was missing requisite details. Compare the following and the lack of ".MCST." and ".ACST.": Original ntp on Apollo-Lake-N3150 jonathan@Apollo-Lake-N3450:~$ lsb_release -rd Description:Ubuntu 22.04.3 LTS Release:22.04 jonathan@Apollo-Lake-N3450:~$ ntpq -p remote refid st t when poll reach delay offset jitter == 0.ubuntu.pool.n .POOL. 16 p- 6400.000 +0.000 0.000 1.ubuntu.pool.n .POOL. 16 p- 6400.000 +0.000 0.000 2.ubuntu.pool.n .POOL. 16 p- 6400.000 +0.000 0.000 3.ubuntu.pool.n .POOL. 16 p- 6400.000 +0.000 0.000 ntp.ubuntu.com .POOL. 16 p- 6400.000 +0.000 0.000 ntp.mcast.net .MCST. 16 M- 6400.000 +0.000 0.000 ff0e::101 .MCST. 16 M- 6400.000 +0.000 0.000 ntp.mcast.net .ACST. 16 a- 6400.000 +0.000 0.000 ff0e::101 .ACST. 16 a- 6400.000 +0.000 0.000 *time.cloudflare 10.242.8.77 3 u 469 1024 367 234.691 -0.929 67.380 +2001-44b8-2100- 42.3.115.79 2 u 581 1024 377 487.209 +55.669 57.154 +2001-44b8-2100- 4.179.66.17 3 u 215 1024 377 489.637 +57.002 35.399 jonathan@Apollo-Lake-N3450:~$ NTPsec on Braswell-N3150 jonathan@Braswell-N3150:~$ lsb_release -rd No LSB modules are available. Description:Ubuntu 23.04 Release:23.04 jonathan@Braswell-N3150:~$ ntpq -p remote refid st t when poll reach delay offset jitter === 0.ubuntu.pool.ntp.org .POOL. 16 p- 2560 0. 0. 0.0002 1.ubuntu.pool.ntp.org .POOL. 16 p- 2560 0. 0. 0.0002 2.ubuntu.pool.ntp.org .POOL. 16 p- 2560 0. 0. 0.0002 3.ubuntu.pool.ntp.org .POOL. 16 p- 640 0. 0. 0.0002 +prod-ntp-5.ntp1.ps5.canonical.com 37.15.221.1892 u 141 1024 367 383.4932 -19.6895 35.0534 *time.tfmcloud.au203.35.83.2422 u 325 1024 367 325.9317 -0.1496 43.0522 +any.time.nl 133.243.238.243 2 u 158 1024 373 300.7941 -20.8962 136.1422 +ntp2.its.waikato.ac.nz .GPS.1 u 363 1024 377 356.5361 -18.2740 140.5984 +2001-44b8-2100-3f00---007b-0004 42.3.115.79 2 u 214 1024 367 490.3898 28.3416 2.7728 +tic.ntp.telstra.net 203.35.83.2422 u 13 1024 367 566.0744 -14.1332 6.0377 +863xqmprtfqv69pv7nwc.ip6.superloop.au 192.168.1.1 2 u 79 1024 367 330.2658 -14.3483 16.2172 +gps-ads.10mrlp.juneks.com.au.PPS.1 u 271 1024 367 443.4812 -71.8020 44.6332 +x.ns.gin.ntt.net129.250.35.222 2 u 57 1024 367 22.4974 41.3055 6.0639 jonathan@Braswell-N3150:~$ This behaviour will affect the following: Ubuntu 22.10, 23.04 and 23.10 Debian 12, 13 and 14 NTPsec have documented their reasoning for lacking support. https://docs.ntpsec.org/latest/discover.html https://docs.ntpsec.org/latest/ntpsec.html https://docs.ntpsec.org/latest/assoc.html#broad h
