Re: [Trisquel-users] Getting an obsolete package with apt-get

2015-03-17 Thread onpon4
I'm pretty sure it either is or isn't in the repository. If a package is  
considered to be obsolete (e.g. ffmpeg), it stops being included in the  
repository, perhaps transitioning into something else at first (in the case  
of ffmpeg, avconv). If a program you want isn't in the repo, you'll have to  
install it from some other source.


Re: [Trisquel-users] LIBRE PLANET 2015 is here....!!

2015-03-17 Thread lakbk89

+1 to ssdclickofdeath.

Elphel camera is approved by FSF[1] and you can visit their website over  
here[2].


(Courtesy to lembas[3].)

[1] https://www.fsf.org/blogs/community/elphel-camera
[2] http://www3.elphel.com/index.php
[3]  
https://trisquel.info/en/forum/cameracamcorder-supports-webm-or-ogg#comment-57384





[Trisquel-users] can't log in under xfce, just lxde

2015-03-17 Thread dgosborn
I tried installing xfce but when I select it from the session menu it does  
not recognize my password. LXDE still works fine. What else do I need to do?


Re: [Trisquel-users] corresponding debian and ubuntu version for current trisquel

2015-03-17 Thread noordinaryspider
Trisquel 7 (Belenos) is based on Ubuntu 14.04 and 6 (Toutatis) on Ubuntu  
12.04.





[Trisquel-users] corresponding debian and ubuntu version for current trisquel

2015-03-17 Thread dgosborn
What versions of debian and ubuntu correspond to the current version to  
trisquel?


[Trisquel-users] position independent code and MMUs

2015-03-17 Thread dgosborn

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Position-independent_code

I read the above artice. It says non-pic aware addressing is faster than pic  
code. It also mentions MMU units in such a way that I wonder if it is still  
necessary to compile libraries as PIC, or maybe sometimes it is and sometimes  
it isn't. I'd like to have a good understanding of this. If its possible that  
a given library, running on a system with an MMU does not have to be compiled  
as PIC then that could be a way to get some performance improvements, but how  
much? Enough to be worth while or just .5 percent??


Can anyone comment?


Re: [Trisquel-users] Libreboot X200

2015-03-17 Thread noordinaryspider
You're in the right place: Trisquel is very newbie-friendly and low  
maintenance, as are Thinkpads in general although my own are much older and  
wouldn't impress even the drunkest of hobbits.


120 GB should be fine, especially if you have an external drive for archives  
that don't absolutely need to be accessible 24/7.


Re: [Trisquel-users] Adding Douane Firewall to the Trisquel repositories?

2015-03-17 Thread a1716479

bump


Re: [Trisquel-users] Libreboot X200

2015-03-17 Thread a1716479

What is poor about the CPU, and graphics card?


Re: [Trisquel-users] Saving Gitorious repositories

2015-03-17 Thread gramex
Now I will try to make the script put each project's repositories in  
separate directories.

Accomplished!


Re: [Trisquel-users] Intel NUC - free software friendly?

2015-03-17 Thread a1716479
Is there an AMD option?  If intel is releasing Chips-Motherboards without  
vpro-txt, are there any safe ones from AMD?  You're really saying the Snares  
comes without any botnet/backdoor technology (that you know of)?  AMT for  
example.  What about any of these (minus those mentioned)?


[VPro TPM TXT VT AMD-V Flicker TEM TZones on-board ARM processor AMD SVM TEE  
AMT IDE-R Execute Disable Bit PTT Intel Secure key]


I try to research this, but my search results return next to nothing, and  
what is returned seems intentionally confusing.

Which of these are dangerous, and which not?

Does anyone know of a list of motherboards without this stuf?


Re: [Trisquel-users] Libreboot X200

2015-03-17 Thread manhoso99
I use w7 and I think trisquel is the best for me to change. but I am afraid  
because I never used linux so I ask destritos 100% free, which is the most  
simple or easy for me.

 I think trisquel or Dragora.



Re: [Trisquel-users] LIBRE PLANET 2015 is here....!!

2015-03-17 Thread lakbk89

+1

I have dropped a mail to Libby Reinish, Campaigns Manager at FSF, asking  
whether FSF can record this years conference for non-recipients.


Actally, last year's Libre Planet conference is available in GNU  
MediaGoblin[1]. So possibly they *MIGHT* use the channel for this year as  
well.


If you plan to record the vedio, use a free media format for that like Ogg  
Vorbis/Theora, Speex etc.

And share it in the community!!

[1] http://media.libreplanet.org/


Re: [Trisquel-users] Bug in Evolution 3.10.4?

2015-03-17 Thread jueshq

I manage my e-mail successfully (fetchmail + ssmtp + mutt).

But what do we do about a bug in a main package of Trisquel 7.0? Maintaining  
it until 2019? The standard e-mail application is crucial - if it doesn't  
work, people won't use Trisquel. This is why I'm searching for a solution.


Re: [Trisquel-users] Share your Desktop!

2015-03-17 Thread davidvargas1

all those desktops they should like runaway desktops made by prisoners.


Re: [Trisquel-users] Multiplayer online games for casual players

2015-03-17 Thread marioxcc . MT
Regarding the topic of this thread, I suggest The Battle for Wesnoth which  
can be played offline, connecting directly to a friend's computer, in the  
official server or in an independent server. Using a server doesn't requires  
NAT traversal.


MANHOSO: Welcome!. I hope that you will find free software enjoyable for it's  
technical advantage, but more importantly, because it respects you as an user  
instead of just using you as a tool for profit. Linux is a kernel but  
unfortunately there is the common misconception that “Linux” is an  
operating system, which it is not. (and there is people who actively promote  
and are proud of making this mistake). We use the name GNU/Linux which also  
credits the GNU project, which is the project that started the free software  
movement and developed a big part of the operating system. See What's in a  
Name? and Linux and the GNU System. The Spanish language Wikipedia rectifies  
this mistake, and its article for GNU/Linux uses that name. Bear in mind that  
even though learning to program is not especially demanding, contributing to  
a serious project (with  10 000 lines of code) requires experience,  
patience, and time. If you have further inquiries, then please open a new  
thread.




Re: [Trisquel-users] Saving Gitorious repositories

2015-03-17 Thread gramex

I got it working now, and pushed the fixed version to the git repo.
Now I will try to make the script put each project's repositories in separate  
directories.


Re: [Trisquel-users] Getting an obsolete package with apt-get

2015-03-17 Thread davesamcdxv

Open /etc/apt/sources.list.

Add deb http://oldarchive.trisquel.info/trisquel [version with Kompozer]  
main


apt-get update

Kompozer should be there.


Re: [Trisquel-users] Saving Gitorious repositories

2015-03-17 Thread jbar

About $* in bash
http://wiki.bash-hackers.org/scripting/posparams#mass_usage


Re: [Trisquel-users] Libreboot X200

2015-03-17 Thread davesamcdxv
Trisquel, followed by gNewSense/Musix. Dragora actually seems to be preety  
intimidating difficulty-of-maintainance wise.


And the OS is GNU. Linux is a kernel. Operating systems need a kernel (and  
the FSF don't seem to have home-grown ones that can compete against Linux),  
but that doesn't mean it's named after the kernel it uses(take a look at  
Android, for example. It uses Linux, but the OS is still Android - a  
different one to GNU).


Let's put it this way: If you put a Wankel engine from an FD Mazda RX-7 into  
a VW Combi, the Combi is still a Combi, isn't it?


Re: [Trisquel-users] Libreboot X200

2015-03-17 Thread manhoso99
Snares Penguin GNU / Linux Notebook is 100% free wardware like the libreboot  
x200 ?


Re: [Trisquel-users] Share your Desktop!

2015-03-17 Thread jabjabs
Should code something in that makes it randomly blue screen or stop  
responding for like no reason. Other than that, very cool indeed.


Re: [Trisquel-users] Getting an obsolete package with apt-get

2015-03-17 Thread amenex

I'm using Trisquel 7.

Presumably there's a way of telling apt-get which archive to use - it's easy  
enough to locate that archive, as Kompozer is alive and well in the  
hinterlands, just not in the current trisquel repository.


Re: [Trisquel-users] LIBRE PLANET 2015 is here....!!

2015-03-17 Thread onpon4
If I were you, I'd share both the MPEG-4 video, and a WebM (not Ogg Theora)  
conversion. VP8 is better than Theora.


Re: [Trisquel-users] Multiplayer online games for casual players

2015-03-17 Thread manhoso99

liked to contribute to be a fan of multiplayer games.
but not know anything about linux as my knowledge only covers w xp and w7.  
hope for a short time already ordered the libreboot x200 and I will give my  
first steps to freedom.

I hope within a short time to give my contribution pc games are my obie.


Re: [Trisquel-users] Getting an obsolete package with apt-get

2015-03-17 Thread onpon4
You need to add the external repository with add-apt-repository. That is of  
course assuming the repository exists, and you've found it.


Re: [Trisquel-users] compiling libraries

2015-03-17 Thread onpon4
Compilation translated human-readable source code into machine-readable  
object code. It's something you have to do to execute the code, unless it's  
an interpreted language like JavaScript with no intermediate form. In the  
case of a language like C, the object code is machine code: the native  
language of the CPU (think assembly).


Usually, when you're sent a binary (e.g. from the Trisquel repo), it's  
already compiled in the way that produces the best-optimized binary.  
Re-compiling won't do any harm, but it won't do any good either unless the  
person who compiled the binary cannot be trusted to give you the binary that  
actually corresponds with the source code.


Re: [Trisquel-users] kernel speed - antiquated protocol

2015-03-17 Thread gramex

I've never heard of that before, so I don't know if it exists or not.


Re: [Trisquel-users] Libreboot X200

2015-03-17 Thread manhoso99

I will opt for Libreboot X200 with 8gb ram and 120gb ssd.
I hope 120 gb is enough.
the cpu and graphics to play the games can be also very poor.
Now what kind of games are 100% free software or according to the philosophy  
and where can I find beyond the Libregamewiki.

how to distinguish between 100% free of not 100% free.


Re: [Trisquel-users] kernel speed - antiquated protocol

2015-03-17 Thread marioxcc . MT
I have never heard about one such protocol. Where did you read about it?. Can  
you provide a link?.




Re: [Trisquel-users] compiling libraries

2015-03-17 Thread marioxcc . MT
Are libraries compiled? Is there any sort of optimization that can be done  
to them?


It depends on programming language and implementation. For C and C++ which  
are the most common non-web (server side or client side) programming  
languages, libraries are compiled very similarity as how programs are  
compiled to executables. Almost all optimizations that can be used when  
compiling to executables can be used when compiling libraries. A notable  
exception is that when compiling native-code dynamically loaded libraries  
(Also called “shared libraries”, they have the file name extension  
“.so”), the machine code must be position independent (search for  
“position-independent code”) which is done with -fpic in GCC, that  
disables some optimizations.


Some programming languages have native-compiling, bytecode-compiling and  
interpreting implementations; for example: Common Lisp and Scheme.


I know you can compile an executable and if you turn on compiler  
optimizations it might speed it up but also might make bugs and limits it to  
one processor.


This is a misconception. You should raise your standard for what you think  
you know (research better before thinking you know something).


Optimization doesn't introduced bugs unless the compiler is buggy. If a  
program (whether executable or a library) is correct, then a correct compiler  
will produce a correct output (executable, shared library, bytecode,  
etcetera). Optimization sometimes trigger bugs (or it may hide bugs that  
would otherwise appear).


In GCC only some optimization options enable or disable instructions. It  
doesn't limit the program to only one process, but to the set of processors  
that implement those instructions. The main option to enable instructions is 


Re: [Trisquel-users] kernel speed - antiquated protocol

2015-03-17 Thread dgosborn
Its refreshing to see someone who acknowledges absence of knowledge does not  
equate with knowledge of absence.


Re: [Trisquel-users] kernel speed - antiquated protocol

2015-03-17 Thread dgosborn

Sorry I don't / can't.

I thought about doing a search of kernel sources for x.25 and seeing if it is  
in there anywhere although there is no guarantee it is labled as such or that  
x.25 is the one in question. 


Re: [Trisquel-users] compiling libraries

2015-03-17 Thread marioxcc . MT
It may be used fully free, but it's not so by default, and their idea of what  
is free software is different from the FSF definition so to have a fully free  
system according to the FSF idea you have to watch for the differences (I use  
Debian and also Trisquel, and that is what I do). It seems like you have been  
deceived by their practice of truth by decree: They claim that Debian is  
fully free, because although they distribute, document, support and invite to  
use proprietary software using the same infrastructure, they claim that it is  
not part of Debian. That deceiving practice is even supported by their social  
contract (see point 5), hence that I call it truth by decree (instead of  
facts). In the past, they were even more hypocritical: the kernel (regardless  
of whether the user intended to install the proprietary software) came with  
proprietary blobs. See Debian Doubletalk for more information and also  
https://www.debian.org/vote/2004/vote_002.




Re: [Trisquel-users] Alternatives to BleachBit?

2015-03-17 Thread legimet . calc

It will show up as Firefox if you linked the directory that I said.


Re: [Trisquel-users] Multiplayer online games for casual players

2015-03-17 Thread onpon4
I haven't figured out how to host a multiplayer Freedoom game. Odamex  
supports it, but I never got to learning how to do it.


[Trisquel-users] Re : Getting an obsolete package with apt-get

2015-03-17 Thread lcerf
KompoZer is discontinued. It has not received any update in more than five  
years. I guess LibreOffice Writer now is a better WYSIWYG HTML editor.


If you insist on a Gecko-based editor, try BlueGriffon... which looks  
discontinued as well (no release in two years) but at least includes some  
modern features (modern as in HTML5, CSS3, etc.).


[Trisquel-users] Re : compiling libraries

2015-03-17 Thread lcerf
Rule of thumb: trust the developer who makes the package (especially if he or  
she is a Debian/Ubuntu/Trisquel developer).


Re: [Trisquel-users] LIBRE PLANET 2015 is here....!!

2015-03-17 Thread tomlukeywood

VP8 is better than Theora.
why?

also i will share both ogg and mpeg-4 for the unfortunate iexplore.exe/safari  
users

i do this on my website with html5 video using this code:
http://pastebin.com/8ATgm7LB


Re: [Trisquel-users] compiling libraries

2015-03-17 Thread tomlukeywood

the last time i checked debian did not have non-free software


Re: [Trisquel-users] compiling libraries

2015-03-17 Thread danigaritarojas
First of all. What is Debian? Debian is basically a collection of packages.  
Now it's true that all the essential system software and libraries are free  
software, and it's also true that only this packages are included by default.  
BUT, the repository non-free is still part of Debian, also packages in the  
repository contrib can have dependencies on non-free packages.


So, does Debian have non-free software?
Yes, because there is a whole official repository with lots of non-free  
packages.


The only thing that is true is that Debian doesn't include those by default.


[Trisquel-users] gitbull is ready

2015-03-17 Thread blade . vp2020

Hi all
gitbull is ready
It work well
https://gitbull.org
gitbull run Kallithea,
Kallithea, its Free Software
source code management system that supports two leading version
control systems, Mercurial and Git, and has a web interface that is
easy to use for users
GitBull is born because of the death of Gitorious buy by Gitlab.
GitBull refuse donation, but accept people support.
we make things free as in freedom
. we follow the Free Software Foundation and its evolution about What is free  
software.

we make things free in price and freedom

Like for the Universale Declaration of Human Rights, there is no  
interpretation possible of that statements.


you can help the project
In many ways! Here are some:

- Using gitbull, and sharing it with your friends and family
- Reporting issues and bugs that you find
- suggesting improvements
- bring your own improvement

thanks to libreplanet and the fsf that throught their
existant have
permit this project to happen
gitbull is a community coding
fan of codes are welcome.
github says they are social coding
gitbull - Community coding
Code is part of our community
Free code
we are a community of people that love free software
gitbull is a free place for that type of coders.



Re: [Trisquel-users] compiling libraries

2015-03-17 Thread marioxcc . MT

For that matter, we could use Debian or Ubuntu and its proprietary software.



[Trisquel-users] Re : compiling libraries

2015-03-17 Thread lcerf
I meant trust the developers for turning on optimizations (that do not  
trigger bugs). I did not mean that every package coming from Debian/Ubuntu  
is OK. Proprietary software is bad no matter who packages it.


Re: [Trisquel-users] Multiplayer online games for casual players

2015-03-17 Thread mail

Come on guys, don't forget Doom!
You can play DM, Co-op and such with the original iwads or FreeDoom (A free  
culture replacement).


Re: [Trisquel-users] Multiplayer online games for casual players

2015-03-17 Thread taknamay
Mana World! It's the only MMORPG that I really like. There aren't any complex  
abilities or classes or strategies to memorize, you just go out and fight  
monsters with friends :) which to me, is what an MMO should be about. They  
have lots of regular updates and it's already a pretty big world.


Aside from that, everyone else mentioned the multiplayer games I have tried:  
Minetest, Wesnoth, 0 A.D., and Xonotic.


[Trisquel-users] Re : LIBRE PLANET 2015 is here....!!

2015-03-17 Thread lcerf
OggConvert's last release is almost five years old. I doubt it is still  
maintained. And OggConvert is quite limited. IMHO, Trisquel 8 should ship  
Transmageddon, which is far more complete feature-wise (any free audio/video  
codec, rotation, etc.).


Re: [Trisquel-users] Libreboot X200

2015-03-17 Thread tomlukeywood

how dose a drunk hobbit drool exactly?


Re: [Trisquel-users] Getting an obsolete package with apt-get

2015-03-17 Thread onpon4
I don't think that's a repository, but it does contain several deb files. If  
you want to install them, you can just download the correct deb files for  
your architecture and install them e.g. with GDebi. It might not work,  
though; it depends on what software the package depends on.


[Trisquel-users] Re : Share your Desktop!

2015-03-17 Thread mtlben

Wow, that's pure perversion :).


Re: [Trisquel-users] Libreboot X200

2015-03-17 Thread davidvargas1

Still you are a drunk GNU! Hobbits are rude little creatures.


Re: [Trisquel-users] Saving Gitorious repositories

2015-03-17 Thread gramex
Does anyone know how to make this script work? I still don't know what main  
$* means. I know that main runs the function main, what does the $*  
mean? Is it a wild card variable?


Re: [Trisquel-users] Share your Desktop!

2015-03-17 Thread gramex

???


Re: [Trisquel-users] Libreboot X200

2015-03-17 Thread onpon4
Other than LibreGameWiki, there's also the Free Software Directory and the  
Trisquel repository. I think LibreGameWiki is the best list for games,  
though.


Re: [Trisquel-users] Libreboot X200

2015-03-17 Thread maestro

That thinkpad you talk about makes me drool like a drunk hobbit :)


Re: [Trisquel-users] Getting an obsolete package with apt-get

2015-03-17 Thread amenex

Here's what I've tried, so far without success:

sudo add-app-repository  
http://oldarchive.trisquel.info/trisquel/pool/main/k/kompozer/;


That took OK, but subsequently, sudo apt-get install kompozer failed.  
Couldn't find the kompozer package.


Evidently, http://oldarchive.trisquel.info/trisquel/pool/main/k/kompozer/  
isn't a repository, even though it's legitimately part of trisquel.info.


[Trisquel-users] Re : Saving Gitorious repositories

2015-03-17 Thread lcerf

According to https://about.gitlab.com/2015/03/03/gitlab-acquires-gitorious/ :

Starting today, Gitorious.org users can import their existing projects into  
GitLab.com by clicking the “Import projects from Gitorious.org” link when  
creating a new project.


So, it is not automatic but it is only a link to click. It is not clear from  
https://about.gitlab.com/features/ whether this link is present in the free  
(as in freedom and as in gratis) Community Edition but I believe it is  
because Project importing from GitHub to GitLab is a feature of the  
community edition.


That said, I am not supporting companies whose business model is to attract  
user with free software and then constantly invite/force them into  
proprietary software (the Enterprise Edition of GitLab in this case)... but  
that still is better than only proposing proprietary software (like GitHub).


[Trisquel-users] Re : kernel compiling

2015-03-17 Thread lcerf
Compiling is (quite) easy:  
https://trisquel.info/en/wiki/compiling-gnu-linux-libre-kernel


Configuring the kernel is the hard part. The Gentoo Handbook used to be (and  
probably still is) a good first documentation on the topic:  
https://wiki.gentoo.org/wiki/Handbook:AMD64/Installation/Kernel#Default:_Manual_configuration  
(forget about all blocks but those marked with KERNEL).


Re: [Trisquel-users] Multiplayer online games for casual players

2015-03-17 Thread maestro

my favorite multiplayer experience on gnu is Scorched3d -

http://sourceforge.net/projects/scorched3d/files/scorched3d/Version%2044/

very funny to play wit few friends online or on a same pc!


[Trisquel-users] Re : repos

2015-03-17 Thread lcerf
A given version of Trisquel only has one repositories. If you mean the  
different sections (security, updates, and backports) of the repository, then  
click them all in the third tab of Software  Updates (in the System  
settings).


Trisquel 7 basically has all the free packages that Ubuntu 14.04 has. If you  
try to add Ubuntu/Debian repositories, you will most likely break your system  
for no additional free software.


Re: [Trisquel-users] Libreboot X200

2015-03-17 Thread mail
It's a great laptop, but it has non-free BIOS. It's free software friendly,  
though, and works perfectly with Trisquel.


Re: [Trisquel-users] Getting an obsolete package with apt-get

2015-03-17 Thread gramex

Are you using Trisquel 6 or Trisquel 7?


Re: [Trisquel-users] Share your Desktop!

2015-03-17 Thread maestro

my new DE! (no, it's not Xubbunnuntu) :P


Re: [Trisquel-users] Share your Desktop!

2015-03-17 Thread superbyelich

It IS stable... but probably MORE stable than Windows.  :-D


[Trisquel-users] Getting an obsolete package with apt-get

2015-03-17 Thread amenex
Despite what the Forum thinks about Kompozer, it's still out there, and it's  
close to a one-for-one replacement for the Composer that used to come with  
Firefox ... and I just want to create  edit plain old HTML.


How can I force apt-get to install Kompozer ?

Isn't there a simple command, such as sudo apt-get install -archive  
kompozer ?


I tried man apt-get without success.


Re: [Trisquel-users] Share your Desktop!

2015-03-17 Thread superbyelich

No... I like it the way it is :-p


Re: [Trisquel-users] LIBRE PLANET 2015 is here....!!

2015-03-17 Thread tomlukeywood
If you plan to record the conference sessions, use a free media format for  
that like Ogg(Vorbis/Theora)[2].


my camera is sadly using the mpeg 4 format but i will convert it to ogg/webm  
before sharing


Re: [Trisquel-users] LIBRE PLANET 2015 is here....!!

2015-03-17 Thread gramex
There is a company called Elphel that makes cameras that record in the Theora  
format, but they are very expensive. As far as I am aware, no major camera  
manufacturers make cameras that support that format.


[Trisquel-users] kernel speed - antiquated protocol

2015-03-17 Thread dgosborn
Someone told me that there is an antiquated networking protocol that is in  
the kernel that slows it down a lot because the kernel keeps pausing to check  
on that protocol even if you are not using. I think maybe it was x.25 or  
something but not sure. Anyway, the story goes that the kernel developers  
kind of hard wired into the code and it isn't in with the options you would  
select when turning stuff on and off. You have to go in and manually edit the  
code and so on. Does anyone know about this? Is there a more appropriate  
forum for me to post it to?


[Trisquel-users] compiling libraries

2015-03-17 Thread dgosborn
I'm not a programmer. I know you can compile an executable and if you turn on  
compiler optimizations it might speed it up but also might make bugs and  
limits it to one processor. Are libraries compiled? Is there any sort of  
optimization that can be done to them?


I read up on refactoring. Is there any program that automatically refactors?