[Trisquel-users] Re : New to Trisquel :)

2015-04-27 Thread mattpub

oh they look so much alike, I thought it was unity.
Thank you so much for the clarifications and the answers :) lol a Dash, ok  
it's registered :D I hope I will be able to find some nice extensions to suit  
my needs :)

Will keep you updated :D


Re: [Trisquel-users] Microsoft was the biggest presence at a recent Linux conference in Washington. Your thoughts?

2015-04-27 Thread taiji_tao
It is part of their plan and Microsoft is not alone.  Microsoft, Google and  
Apple all use the opensource community for their ideas, they take, take and  
take more, then contribute little to nothing back.  Google contributes some  
back.


The end game for all three is for the opensource world to go back to being  
only for the domain of hackers, fine with that actually.


Look at what Microsoft did several years ago with Novell/SUSE, they still  
control that company and by extension openSUSE as well.


Even RedHat cannot be fully trusted as they are beginning to dictate to the  
opensource community of how things should be, ie systemd, gnome3, SELinux  
etc...  Whether you like systemd or gnome3, you cannot deny they were forced  
on the larger community by RedHat.


This is one more reason why truly free distros need to be supported, and yes,  
I do include Debian in this category.  Their 20+ year stance cannot be argued  
with.  


Re: [Trisquel-users] Microsoft was the biggest presence at a recent Linux conference in Washington. Your thoughts?

2015-04-27 Thread nicolasmaia
Microsoft wants to steal the headlines and look cool with the kids. Nowadays  
embracing open-source is a PR stunt to make people see your company  
positively.


Take Debian's newest release for example. Microsoft stole all the media  
attention by sending the Debian team a birthday cake.


Re: [Trisquel-users] Microsoft was the biggest presence at a recent Linux conference in Washington. Your thoughts?

2015-04-27 Thread garsmith
I have now seen the program and the first Microsoft guy seemed to be a  
genuine good guy trying to do the best in the Microsoft world.


What I am happy about this is that customers to Microsoft want Linux and  
Microsoft can no longer say no to them. Their customers isnt satisfied with  
Microsofts software. Microsoft dominance is breaking. This force Microsoft to  
employ people and work with Linux and its flexibility and integrate at least  
the open source thinking closer to Microsofts core. Microsoft is forced to  
use what it thinks is a poison.


Just hope that the open source distraction will loose it's grip and more  
people will start thinking in freedom and change thinking and to free  
software and GNU+Linux.



Good plug for Think Penguin that gave Angela penguin sticker.


Re: [Trisquel-users] is Laptop Ibm X60 Mini Tablet supported by libreboot?

2015-04-27 Thread travis
Ah ok I understand, phew! 


Re: [Trisquel-users] Language installation ?

2015-04-27 Thread nik0laus

Well, I did set the keyboard layout by
System Settings - Region  Language - Input Sources etc but this worked  
only once


What I want to do is to be able to toggle between these two languages (Greek  
and English)
I tried to define the shortcuts for changing languages in keyboard settings  
but it didn't work at all.


I will try to reinstall the distro using English during installation instead  
of Greek  and I will add Greek language later.


Wish me luck :)




[Trisquel-users] Language installation ?

2015-04-27 Thread nik0laus

Hello guys,
New to Trisquel and Gnu/Linux OSystems

I've just replaced the Windows OS with Trisquel 7.0 but I can not write a  
document or a spreadsheet or in a search machine for example (I cannot  
anywhere) in Greek language despite the fact that the installation was made  
in Greek and all environment like menus,tags  etc is in Greek
Is there any adjustment I have to do or I need to install the Greek language  
and how i can do such things ?


Have in mind that I am not a hacker :) but I can do anything if it is well  
documentated.


Thanks in advance for your kind attention
Nikolas



Re: [Trisquel-users] Language installation ?

2015-04-27 Thread t8mf4nu6lizp

Hello, welcome and congratulations!

A GNU/Linux distro is basically a collection of packages. You'll need to  
install some that contain Greek support.


There are many ways to do so, probably the most intuitive being the Synaptic  
package manager.


I guess these packages might be useful for you. (from  
http://packages.trisquel.info/search?keywords=greeksearchon=allsuite=belenossection=all)


abrowser-locale-el (if you use abrowser, believe this is default web browser)
icecat-locale-el (if you use icecat web browser)
icedove-l10n-el (if you use icedove email)
language-pack-gnome-el
libreoffice-help-el
libreoffice-l10n-el

xfonts-efont-unicode
xfonts-efont-unicode-ib
fonts-gfs-artemisia
fonts-gfs-bodoni-classic
fonts-gfs-didot
fonts-gfs-didot-classic

Besides installing those packages, you can change the keyboard layout in  
System settings. (or whatever it's called in Trisquel 7)


My mother uses Trisquel, so you'll do just fine! :)


Re: [Trisquel-users] Language installation ?

2015-04-27 Thread Sachin
Hi Nikolas

Some people also have trouble because of the ibus system so you could
disable it
run  im-config  on terminal and set the input method to  none  after
clicking  ok  and  yes 

Or you could do this if the problem still exists

* for just one user
you can set the keyboard layout
System Settings - Region  Language - Input Sources

* For system wide

Run this command on terminal
sudo dpkg-reconfigure keyboard-configuration

and then set the greek language.


Re: [Trisquel-users] Microsoft was the biggest presence at a recent Linux conference in Washington. Your thoughts?

2015-04-27 Thread tegskywalker
Oh and if you want the WebM file instead of Youtube, the direct link is  
http://201406.jb-dl.cdn.scaleengine.net/las/2015/linuxactionshowep362-432p.webm


You will have to fast forward to the 24 minute and 13 second mark.


[Trisquel-users] Microsoft was the biggest presence at a recent Linux conference in Washington. Your thoughts?

2015-04-27 Thread tegskywalker
Linux Fest Northwest, which is a yearly conference in Washington state, has  
grown a lot over the years. Not only in growth of attendees, but also  
corporate sponsors. This year, one of the biggest sponsors and presence there  
is Microsoft, which is giving off the impression that they heart Linux and  
they are big supporters of open source software.


We all it is a business decision and a business decision alone to get Linux  
users to like them better and use their .NET platform on Linux. They have  
been releasing source code for parts of their .NET stack, but as we all know,  
they aren't releasing ALL of it and are very selective in what is open and  
not. They are keeping their most important code locked down as non-free  
software to keep vendor lock-in to their platform for developers and/or  
corporate users.


Here's a video where they interview someone at Microsoft during the fest:  
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mWpzbBHDlU8t=24m13s


Thoughts? I'd be curious to see what jxself has to say about it since he  
lives in the Seattle, WA area and is well aware of the influence that  
Microsoft continues to have in that area.


Re: [Trisquel-users] Microsoft was the biggest presence at a recent Linux conference in Washington. Your thoughts?

2015-04-27 Thread tegskywalker

1.) Most of their code is under the MIT license

2.) I used Linux since the conference was named Linux Fest and when  
GNU/Linux was referenced as a whole during the show and the interview, it was  
just Linux so I kept the naming.


Re: [Trisquel-users] Microsoft was the biggest presence at a recent Linux conference in Washington. Your thoughts?

2015-04-27 Thread t8mf4nu6lizp
I guess a big part of it is fighting free software tooth and nail. They  
realized they can't win so they try to water the thing down to open source.


What is implied are non-copyleft licenses or copyleft licenses that are  
incompatible with the GPL. And calling the operating system Linux.


Re: [Trisquel-users] Debian Jessie released

2015-04-27 Thread legimet . calc

I've been running it for a few months now :)


Re: [Trisquel-users] linuxFest

2015-04-27 Thread jason

I went and got to see you a few times. Good to meet you!


Re: [Trisquel-users] Language installation ?

2015-04-27 Thread nik0laus
@Magic Banana  I tried this and didn't work  then I reinstalled the distro  
using english environment and added greek language afterwards and worked

So now everything is ok.

Thank you guys for your help

p.s Is there an option to have an indicator of which language is active ?


Re: [Trisquel-users] Microsoft was the biggest presence at a recent Linux conference in Washington. Your thoughts?

2015-04-27 Thread taiji_tao

Hey Magic,

One is how quickly programs were tightly integrated into systemd, according  
to some developers the integration was required.  In other words, many  
programs are so tightly integrated with systemd that if you remove systemd  
those new programs will no longer work.  I would qualify that as forcing it  
on the community.


Same with SELinux...Even though SELinux is not enabled by default on Debian  
and its derivatives, it still includes some of the libraries etc...  Why even  
do that, most likely because RedHat is going to force a fork in the road for  
GNU/Linux, those that use SELinux and those that do not.  And Debian seems to  
be moving slowly, their method, towards SELinux.


RedHat has a much larger influence on the larger community than alot of  
people are comfortable with or willing to admit.


Again, not saying that systemd is bad or that SELinux is terrible, just  
stating that they were not community decisions.


This would probably be a seperate post though.  :)  


[Trisquel-users] Re : Microsoft was the biggest presence at a recent Linux conference in Washington. Your thoughts?

2015-04-27 Thread lcerf
systemd is not a program. It is more of a software suite. systemd literally  
provides dozens of small binaries that rely on common libraries. Only one of  
them is PID 1.


Re: [Trisquel-users] Microsoft was the biggest presence at a recent Linux conference in Washington. Your thoughts?

2015-04-27 Thread tegskywalker
Isn't there a rumor floating around that if Canonical was friendlier with  
their Upstart CLAs that systemd wouldn't have been created? At the time, it  
was considered to be better than SysV and even Red Hat adopted it for RHEL6  
and CentOS 6.


Canonical has a habit of being really bad with their CLAs and their free  
software lives in a GPL licensed bubble. Many developers don't want to give  
their changes back to Canonical for free as Canonical has the intention to  
re-license copylefted GPL code you contributed as non-free. Canonical feels  
the need to do this for their support customers and phones.


I actually liked the convenience of Upstart where I created a basic script,  
threw it in /etc/init/ and called it a day. I would easily run NodeJS and  
Python web applications as system processes. I have no clue how easily  
systemd scripts will be to drop in and be simple system processes for my web  
applications.


Re: [Trisquel-users] Debian Jessie released

2015-04-27 Thread davesamcdxv

Same went for me when Belenos was released.


[Trisquel-users] Re : Language installation ?

2015-04-27 Thread lcerf

Is there an option to have an indicator of which language is active ?

GNOME Shell has an indicator (and you can click on it to switch the layout).


Re: [Trisquel-users] Microsoft was the biggest presence at a recent Linux conference in Washington. Your thoughts?

2015-04-27 Thread onpon4
I've seen a lot of applications which depend on the X Window System. Does  
this mean X is being forced on the community? I don't think so. Programmers  
choose what other programs their programs depend on for all kinds of reasons,  
but I don't think some sort of conspiracy to force the dependency on others  
is one of them.


Another example: I, as a Python developer, prefer Python 3 over Python 2. If  
I write a Python 3 program that doesn't work on Python 2, it's not because  
the Python developers are trying to force people who don't like Python 3 to  
use Python 3! All the Python developers did was appeal to me with the  
improvements in Python 3 over Python 2. In other words, they wrote better  
software. I don't think writing better software is a bad thing, or a sign of  
something bad (unless that better software is proprietary, but neither  
systemd nor GNOME 3 is proprietary).


Re: [Trisquel-users] Microsoft was the biggest presence at a recent Linux conference in Washington. Your thoughts?

2015-04-27 Thread davesamcdxv
It was/is based on the principle that Unix and GNU/Linux programs are  
supposed to be designed to do one thing and do that one thing well. I really  
don't see how GNU was supposed to be designed around the do one thing and do  
it well thing. I don't think they care about anything other than fredom and  
compatibility with UNIX programmes.


Re: [Trisquel-users] Calling all Trisquel users in GNU Social

2015-04-27 Thread blade . vp2020

its seme not good in orca


[Trisquel-users] Re : Language installation ?

2015-04-27 Thread lcerf
There is, in Country and language (itself in the System settings) a tab  
to add Input sources (use the + button). In this same tab, on the  
right-hand side of the window, the shortcut to switch layout is indicated and  
there is a link to change this keyboard shortcut.


Notice that I am translating from French. The names may be different.


Re: [Trisquel-users] Microsoft was the biggest presence at a recent Linux conference in Washington. Your thoughts?

2015-04-27 Thread taiji_tao

Interesting comparison, but not the same thing.

Systemd complaints are not based on a language or X Window System functions.   
It was/is based on the principle that Unix and GNU/Linux programs are  
supposed to be designed to do one thing and do that one thing well.


Systemd is a program that literally runs the entire system, more Microsoft in  
nature than Unix or GNU/Linux.  That is why the old developers are still  
upset and the newer ones are not, because they do not understand the  
underlying fundamental change that occurred, and yes that change came down  
from RedHat.  Even some Debian dev.'s are considering a systemd free fork  
etc...





Re: [Trisquel-users] New install for new Trisquel user

2015-04-27 Thread davesamcdxv
Trisquel will move to Systemd at its next release (which will be close to a  
carbon copy of of the corresponding Ubuntu version which should be 16.04  
which should use systemd).


[Trisquel-users] Re : New install for new Trisquel user

2015-04-27 Thread lcerf
Have you tried lighttpd? It is supposed to be light and it is far more  
popular (hence more documentation) than the alternatives you tried.


[Trisquel-users] Re : Microsoft was the biggest presence at a recent Linux conference in Washington. Your thoughts?

2015-04-27 Thread lcerf
Whether you like systemd or gnome3, you cannot deny they were forced on the  
larger community by RedHat.


Unless you provide evidences (references) that RedHat forced systemd and  
GNOME 3 onto Debian, I would deny...


[Trisquel-users] Re : Microsoft was the biggest presence at a recent Linux conference in Washington. Your thoughts?

2015-04-27 Thread lcerf
One is how quickly programs were tightly integrated into systemd, according  
to some developers the integration was required.


What are those programs you are talking about? Maybe GNOME Session that now  
uses logind rather than ConsoleKit? Well, ConsoleKit is not maintained  
anymore. That is even written in bold face on their Web page:  
http://freedesktop.org/wiki/Software/ConsoleKit/


Why even do that, most likely because RedHat is going to force a fork in the  
road for GNU/Linux, those that use SELinux and those that do not.


You are aware that SELinux was merged into Linux (where RedHat certainly has  
some influence but is not dominant) some 12 years ago and that, until now,  
we have GNU/Linux distributions such as Debian and its derivatives that do  
not use it by default? How is that forking GNU/Linux (whatever that means)?


RedHat has a much larger influence on the larger community than alot of  
people are comfortable with or willing to admit.


RedHat contributes a lot to free software projects upstream (the Linux  
kernel, GNOME, OpenJDK, LibreOffice, etc.). And many distributions adopt  
their work what gives RedHat much influence. I am willing to admit it. But,  
again, I see no evidence that Red Hat is forcing anything. I would not even  
say that RedHat is dominating any of the projects I listed above.


That is to be compared with Canonical Ltd. The company behind Ubuntu only  
contributes to its own projects (Upstart, Unity, Mir, Bazaar, etc.) that,  
apparently, nobody wants (Upstart was abandoned, Bazaar is dying, only Ubuntu  
uses Unity by default, Mir is repetitively postponed and nobody but Canonical  
pushes it because Wayland is better, etc.). Not to mention that, contrary to  
RedHat, Canonical imposes CLAs (it can relicense your contribution under a  
proprietary license). And Canonical has a past of not releasing all the code  
its employees write (it took more than four years for Canonical to release  
Launchpad under a free software license).


Re: [Trisquel-users] Microsoft was the biggest presence at a recent Linux conference in Washington. Your thoughts?

2015-04-27 Thread tegskywalker
According to that video I linked, they wooed people with food, beer, and  
after parties to show how cool they are now.


I'd be curious if jxself or anyone else who is a part of this community went  
to one of the Microsoft parties,


[Trisquel-users] GRUB issues

2015-04-27 Thread samy . melaine

Hello,

I'm new to Trisquel, but not to GNU/Linux (I have basically some experiance  
with Ubuntu desktop, and a debian servers) :)


So I just installed trisquel on my laptop where I have my Ubuntu 12.04  
installed, and surprisingly, I find isseus accessing ubuntu. It asks me for  
my username and password, when I do enter it, it sends me back to GRUB menu.

I tried boot-repair but it didn't work.
Anyone can help me with that?

Oh and, is there some kind of LTS and non-LTS versions of Trisquel?

Thank you!


Re: [Trisquel-users] A repository for Free Javascript?

2015-04-27 Thread tegskywalker

I'm a fan of https://cdnjs.com



Re: [Trisquel-users] Microsoft was the biggest presence at a recent Linux conference in Washington. Your thoughts?

2015-04-27 Thread garsmith
If Microsoft release complete programs under GPL I have no problem. But if  
they release part of a program under GPL but that code is depended on  
proprietary software or service I have a problem.


Microsoft is like a slimy boss or politician that tries to act like a buddy  
or friend but you know is an asshole. Their is a plan behind their buddy  
behavior. No matter how good Microsoft act we all know it is pure evil inside  
at the core. As Google, Facebook, Apple and other global companies. They  
always want to be in control and use all they can to keep the power. Instead  
of releasing the source code of a outdated old program to the public they  
prefer to kill it to force people to go their way.


[Trisquel-users] Calling all Trisquel users in GNU Social

2015-04-27 Thread vinz

Hi,

some time ago there was a trisquel user's group on identi.ca. Since they  
switched over to another social networking software (pump.io) this group  
sadly died.
Luckily the successor of this group has been around in the GNU Social network  
for a while so I'd like to invite all GNU Social users to join:

http://sn.jonkman.ca/group/trisquel

Best regards,
vinz.


Re: [Trisquel-users] Calling all Trisquel users in GNU Social

2015-04-27 Thread blade . vp2020

add me to this group


[Trisquel-users] Re : New to Trisquel :)

2015-04-27 Thread mattpub

Guys, How do we remove the Trisquel logo from the Gnome login screen ?


Re: [Trisquel-users] Microsoft was the biggest presence at a recent Linux conference in Washington. Your thoughts?

2015-04-27 Thread maestro

I prefer if they stay far far away..


[Trisquel-users] Quick question about the ThinkPenguin LibreCMC router

2015-04-27 Thread tegskywalker
Is this router based off of the Rosewill RNX-N300RT or RNX-N300RTv2 router?  
The LibreCMC page just says N300RT  
(http://librecmc.org/librecmc/wiki?name=TPE-NWIFIROUTER2), but the OpenWRT  
wiki (http://wiki.openwrt.org/toh/tp-link/tl-wr841nd) says that the  
TPE-NWIFIROUTER2 is based off of v2.


Does chris or anyone else know what the TPE-NWIFIROUTER2 is exactly based off  
of?


Re: [Trisquel-users] New install for new Trisquel user

2015-04-27 Thread g . smyli

Thanks Lembas,

It seems like lack of up to date, easy to read documentation is a condition  
that affects all of GnuLinux. So many lovers of free software are into  
hacking (not in that bad sense necessarily), programing and networking  
keeping the software moving along bridging obstacles, blazing territory and  
climbing mountains, but maybe not the same attention is given to documenting  
the trail. And, what documentation is done isn't always following a set of  
standard practices or located in standard places and I often feel it assumes  
a level of knowledge and familiarity with the subject that many people that  
would benefit from its use just don't have (like me).


I have studied some programing but am not proficient. I have a degree in  
networking so have a good understanding of basic principles of networking but  
honestly I find lots of questions that never got covered in school.


Since installing trisquel a week or so ago, I tried mini-httpd and thin for  
web servers. Thin I didn't understand enough to find the the start line and  
quickly decided it wasn't for me, it looks like a specialized app for Ruby  
people. mini-httpd worked for a moment but I had problems when I got  
ambitious, chrooting and enabling ssl, and it seemed to get broken. I wanted  
it to work because it's so small. But it was so hard to find answers, so I  
moved on. Installed Yaws (maybe I'll leave it running in case I want to try  
to study er... what was it, oh yeah, erlang). And now I have installed the  
old tried and true, and I think for me, extremely bloated Apache.


At least it's all behind a firewall and, as to locking down, I found it  
relatively painless to get cron.daily clamscan and rkhunter/unhide actions  
going. Also, I installed harden which I haven't done anything with but  
harden-doc might be the step by step guide I wanted. I'm going to start  
looking through that today.


Haven't spent much time looking at the forum but I have been loving my  
trisquel. I have one issue I might need help with re my graphics card, I am  
sure it has a solution but if I can't find it on my own in the next day or  
two I'll open a new post.




[Trisquel-users] Antwort: Calling all Trisquel users in GNU Social

2015-04-27 Thread vinz
You can only join by yourself. To do so click on the join button located  
besides the trisquel logo.


Re: [Trisquel-users] Microsoft was the biggest presence at a recent Linux conference in Washington. Your thoughts?

2015-04-27 Thread legimet . calc

Embrace, extend, and extinguish.


Re: [Trisquel-users] Plasma 5

2015-04-27 Thread legimet . calc
But for Plasma, it will install the old dependencies (Qt4, KDE frameworks 4,  
etc) so that won't work.


Re: [Trisquel-users] Microsoft was the biggest presence at a recent Linux conference in Washington. Your thoughts?

2015-04-27 Thread cantor86
I totally agree with SuperTramp83, for me it's like trying to destroy the  
system from within... bad behavior/strategy 


Re: [Trisquel-users] Librebooted Macbook 2,1

2015-04-27 Thread travis
That's awesome! Great entry I'll definitely be using it as a reference at  
some point in the future!