Re: [Trisquel-users] Could Trisquel 8 switch to MATE?

2015-06-13 Thread onpon4
Honestly, I think the question of interest is why it was enabled by default  
in Trisquel 6. That wasn't the case in Trisquel 5.5 (the first version of  
Trisquel I used), and I'd wager to guess that wasn't the case in any of the  
earlier versions either. So Trisquel 7 is just continuing the previous status  
quo.


One guess I have is that using Compiz by default (and falling back to  
Metacity, because remember, Compiz requires hardware acceleration) was an  
experiment, and deemed a failure because of problems it caused, or something  
along those lines. Compiz, after all, is quite an advanced window manager, so  
if you're going to use it, you should probably be using it on purpose.


Re: [Trisquel-users] Could Trisquel 8 switch to MATE?

2015-06-13 Thread blade . vp2020

now I test MATE
+1 to MATE


Re: [Trisquel-users] Could Trisquel 8 switch to MATE?

2015-06-13 Thread onpon4
It's still available, just not used by default (as was the case for most  
distros that used GNOME 2).


Re: [Trisquel-users] Best Project Management CMS Software and Also Git Collabarative Software? (Free Software of course)

2015-06-13 Thread tegskywalker

What about http://gogs.io instead of GitLab?


Re: [Trisquel-users] Could Trisquel 8 switch to MATE?

2015-06-13 Thread danigaritarojas
 Honestly, I think the question of interest is why it was enabled by default  
in Trisquel 6.


I don't know. It was? I remember that was installed by default, but not that  
was enabled by default too. If I remember correctly, Trisquel 4 also had  
Compiz installed by default.


 One guess I have is that using Compiz by default (and falling back to  
Metacity, because remember, Compiz requires hardware acceleration)


Using Compiz by default and falling back on something else if fails would be  
a bad idea anyway.


Re: [Trisquel-users] Could Trisquel 8 switch to MATE?

2015-06-13 Thread tegskywalker
Version 4 was my favorite as well. Excellent theme, icons, and an overall  
level of polish. I loved the level of opacity on the bottom panel and the  
menu.


It was so pretty that I instantly installed it on my brother's laptop which  
thankfully worked out of the box (video, audio, wireless) and he could surf  
the web, listen to music, and write documents for school in LibreOffice with  
no hassle.


I'm a very visual person and I can honestly say that the Gnome 2 based  
Trisquels were on par with the non-free ones in look and feel.


The magic was lost with Trisquel 6 onwards as we lost most of the visual  
flair and I couldn't customize my desktop as easily.


Now that MATE is supported and ready to shine, its time to seriously consider  
it default or at least offer it as another ISO alongside the regular and mini  
versions.


Re: [Trisquel-users] New Intel graphics will require non-free firmware

2015-06-13 Thread Andreas
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On Fri, Jun 12, 2015 at 02:44:43PM +0200, ja...@bluehome.net wrote:
 Not with Intel, unless someone manages to reverse engineer stuff or Intel
 changes their mind. First they had the proprietary BIOS. As if that wasn't
 bad enough, enter Boot Guard. To make things even worse now this with the
 video. Switching to AMD can address (some) of these three problems but the
 long-term solution for RYF-capable hardware, really, will eventually have to
 be leaving x86 entirely. I am once again reminded of
 http://files.jxself.org/build.ogv

Do you happen to have the full libreplanet talk by RMS?

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Andreas
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Re: [Trisquel-users] New Intel graphics will require non-free firmware

2015-06-13 Thread Andreas
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On Sat, Jun 13, 2015 at 03:26:44PM +0200, tomlukeyw...@fastmail.co.uk wrote:
 Do you happen to have the full libreplanet talk by RMS?
 http://mtjm.eu/releases/lp2015/lp-123-1426946502.ogv

Thanks.

The one you linked is from latest libreplanet. I think
http://files.jxself.org/build.ogv is from 2013 or 2014.

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Andreas
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Re: [Trisquel-users] New Intel graphics will require non-free firmware

2015-06-13 Thread tomlukeywood

not sure about 2013 but you can find all the 2014 stuff here:
http://mtjm.eu/releases/lp2014/


Re: [Trisquel-users] New Intel graphics will require non-free firmware

2015-06-13 Thread tomlukeywood

Do you happen to have the full libreplanet talk by RMS?
http://mtjm.eu/releases/lp2015/lp-123-1426946502.ogv


Re: [Trisquel-users] How to fix usb drive?

2015-06-13 Thread mokavey
It works now. I used dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/sdX bs=1024 and then format it  
FAT32 with gparted.


[Trisquel-users] Re : New Intel graphics will require non-free firmware

2015-06-13 Thread lcerf
It is there:  
https://media.libreplanet.org/u/libreplanet/m/richard-stallman-free-software-free-hardware/


[Trisquel-users] Re : Could Trisquel 8 switch to MATE?

2015-06-13 Thread lcerf
I heard that from a GNOME developer at a conference. I do not remember the  
details. I guess it has to do with things like closing the lid of your laptop  
(what suspends it by default) while the system is shutting down. If you have  
ever tried that with Trisquel (which currently uses ConsoleKit), you have  
probably discovered that the system may be stuck and need a hard reboot.


logind brings cool new features too. Multi-seat (many screens, keyboards,  
mouses, etc. for one single machine) for instance. According to  
https://wiki.freedesktop.org/www/Software/systemd/writing-display-managers/ :


systemd's logind service obsoletes ConsoleKit which was previously widely  
used on Linux distributions. For X11 display managers the switch to logind  
requires a minimal amount of porting, however brings a couple of new  
features: true automatic multi-seat support, proper tracking of session  
processes, (optional) automatic killing of user processes on logout, a  
synchronous low-level C API and much simplification.


Re: [Trisquel-users] Could Trisquel 8 switch to MATE?

2015-06-13 Thread onpon4
You're cunfused, then. That's talking about GNOME Shell, which is indeed tied  
to Mutter. Mutter is different from Metacity, and GNOME Panel should be  
perfectly usable with Compiz et al.


Re: [Trisquel-users] Looking for help with Abrowser flash films

2015-06-13 Thread onpon4
Right. There's also a GNU/Linux binary for ARM; I've used it before. ;) From  
what I understand, though, it was never updated past Flash 10, and only beta  
versions were released (unless Android was a bit different).


Re: [Trisquel-users] Looking for help with Abrowser flash films

2015-06-13 Thread catfishagain

Hi anatom
What sometimes works for me is get the user agent switcher addon for  
abrowser and download the user agents from here  
http://techpatterns.com/forums/about304.html
Then change user agent to android and you can sometimes get a different link  
;)


Re: [Trisquel-users] Looking for help with Abrowser flash films

2015-06-13 Thread martin
In a lot of such cases you can download the file video instead of using the  
Flash player.  You may find the video file URL in the page source code by  
looking of '.flv', '.mp4', '.webm', 'video' and other keywords.  But the site  
is in German which I don't understand, so I can't login and reach the page  
where the videos are.


Re: [Trisquel-users] New Intel graphics will require non-free firmware

2015-06-13 Thread greatgnu

thx bananna magique for that link!
tom too!


[Trisquel-users] Re : Apple is open sourcing Swift. Your thoughts?

2015-06-13 Thread calinou
We have many other competing, free languages that are even openly developed,  
like Rust, Python, Ruby, Go, ...


It's not like we lack programming languages. :)


Re: [Trisquel-users] Could Trisquel 8 switch to MATE?

2015-06-13 Thread tegskywalker

MATE is adding GTK3 support as of the 1.10 release:

http://phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_itempx=MATE-1.10-Released


Re: [Trisquel-users] Could Trisquel 8 switch to MATE?

2015-06-13 Thread tegskywalker
As long as Trisquel aims to offer a classic desktop that looks good and  
doesn't require 3d acceleration by default, the options are pretty limited  
right now.


Gnome fallback/classic tries to mimic many Gnome 2 features, but it really is  
barebones and a chore to customize. Like I said before, MATE is now supported  
fully upstream and by switching the default DE to it, we get more options.


The Gnome 2 versions of Trisquel were some of the best looking out there and  
we already have stable themes that can be used and improved upon where needed  
for MATE. The current implementation is hacky and really isn't working to be  
honest.


As for Magic's issue with ConsoleKit, I'm sure it can be resolved in a future  
MATE release if its important.


Re: [Trisquel-users] Could Trisquel 8 switch to MATE?

2015-06-13 Thread greatgnu
I always wait for the laptop to shut down before closing the lid. After all  
it is GNU and not windose, this meaning you don't have to wait 3 minutes for  
the stupid thing to shut down!! :P


Re: [Trisquel-users] Apple is open sourcing Swift. Your thoughts?

2015-06-13 Thread danigaritarojas

 It's not like we lack programming languages. :)

You can say that again :P


Re: [Trisquel-users] Could Trisquel 8 switch to MATE?

2015-06-13 Thread danigaritarojas
I thought that was the case since Trisquel 7 didn't include Compiz by  
default, but seems that was not the case. I'm still wondering why Compiz  
didn't make it into Trisquel 7 though.


Re: [Trisquel-users] Could Trisquel 8 switch to MATE?

2015-06-13 Thread danigaritarojas

The Gnome 2 versions of Trisquel were some of the best looking out there

You can say that again! Trisquel 4 was my favorite, and we can achieve the  
same look again with MATE easily, while with Gnome fallback it just keep  
getting trickier.


As for Magic's issue with ConsoleKit, I'm sure it can be resolved in a  
future MATE release if its important.


I hope they come up with a solution that satisfied people who don't like  
systemd. Then everyone is happy.