Re: [Trisquel-users] Apt-Get upgrade finds the US repository unready

2015-09-10 Thread t8mf4nu6lizp

I've filed a bug on this behavior here

https://trisquel.info/en/issues/5876


Re: [Trisquel-users] libreboot t400 is now available for purchase on minifree (gluglug)

2015-09-10 Thread moxalt
It'll take them some time to get it certified. I'm sure the FSF have been
informed of the release.


Re: [Trisquel-users] Apt-Get upgrade finds the US repository unready

2015-09-10 Thread moxalt
Try another one. mirror.fsf.org is usually pretty reliable (if somewhat slow).


Re: [Trisquel-users] Is there a shut down log, and where can I find it ?

2015-09-10 Thread jason

Look in /var/log. Things like syslog and kern.log and dmesg and etc.


Re: [Trisquel-users] Nautilus will add native support for Google Drive and require an opt-out. Thoughts?

2015-09-10 Thread J.B. Nicholson-Owens

You wrote:

i have no choice in the matter with this - i use youtube a lot and i need
google accouint for youtube


You could choose to use the Internet Archive at https://archive.org/ for 
your gratis hosting. archive.org's hosting is more flexible than youtube 
has ever been and doesn't have the horrible history of censorship Google 
has where some videos aren't available in some regions, or losing access 
(even accidentally) ostensibly for copyright reasons. archive.org will let 
you host more than just videos, and you can link to anything you upload in 
an ordinary HTML5 elements (video, audio, etc.) if you desire since the 
files are individually accessible. archive.org will also transcode certain 
filetypes for you if you wish. archive.org's download URLs will redirect 
users to the file you uploaded.


You can also purchase inexpensive hosting from places like Dreamhost.com 
which offers generous bandwidth and storage arrangements. Combining the two 
(archive.org and some other hoster) means you can easily host the 
multimedia files on archive.org and the rest somewhere else pointing to 
archive.org data as needed.


There are better choices out there. You should seek them out instead of 
resigning yourself to "having no choice in the matter".


Re: [Trisquel-users] Nautilus will add native support for Google Drive and require an opt-out. Thoughts?

2015-09-10 Thread jadedml
Sounds like a great feature to me-- it'll make Trisquel more approachable to  
new users.


Re: [Trisquel-users] Nautilus will add native support for Google Drive and require an opt-out. Thoughts?

2015-09-10 Thread cdwaldrum

i upploaded and comment on the videos... it is needed -@SuperTramp83


Re: [Trisquel-users] thinkpenguin question- graphic

2015-09-10 Thread cdwaldrum
i may ended up buying an system76 workhorse cause this going to pack an punch  
for my editing


Re: [Trisquel-users] libreboot t400 is now available for purchase on minifree (gluglug)

2015-09-10 Thread tomlukeywood
i wonder why it hasn’t got a "Respects Your Freedom hardware product  
certification"

from the FSF yet?


Re: [Trisquel-users] thinkpenguin question- graphic

2015-09-10 Thread tomlukeywood

"both up to 8 cores per Socket."
and if you get a certain type of the board you can have 16 cores per socket!


Re: [Trisquel-users] Nautilus will add native support for Google Drive and require an opt-out. Thoughts?

2015-09-10 Thread tomlukeywood
i use YouTube but what i do is have a link in the descriptions of all the  
videos to the same video but on my web-server which can be used without any  
non-free Javascript


so you could do the same thing with your YouTube channel an offer an  
alternative method
of viewing the videos on say goblinrefuge or your own server that requires no  
non-free software


Re: [Trisquel-users] thinkpenguin question- graphic

2015-09-10 Thread zwiebel444
What software are you going to use? Nuevo isn´t Cuda nor opencl  
compatible...

I don´t know why how, low end gpu´s drop frames, if any.
For editing, I would take, if you need so much cpu power, ASUS KFSN4-DRE  
server/workstation board. It has 2 cpu-sockets both up to 8 cores per Socket.  
It is also Libreboot compatible  
(http://www.libreboot.org/docs/hcl/kfsn4-dre.html).
Maybe some Computer shop in your near or eventually thinkpenguin, would build  
a computer with this main-board.


Re: [Trisquel-users] What WiFi speeds can I expect?

2015-09-10 Thread calle
The machines are sitting next to each other. Or do you mean switch the  
network cards of the computers? I don't think that's going to work...


Re: [Trisquel-users] What WiFi speeds can I expect?

2015-09-10 Thread contactame+antiesnob

What happens if u switch the pcs places? atheros to the mac and vice versa?


Re: [Trisquel-users] Nautilus will add native support for Google Drive and require an opt-out. Thoughts?

2015-09-10 Thread greatgnu
no you don't. you don't **need** a goog account. you **want* to have a goog  
account. Commenting or uploading videos to youtube is not a *need*. 


Re: [Trisquel-users] thinkpenguin question- graphic

2015-09-10 Thread greatgnu
you can software render avi and mp4 on any computer with a decent cpu without  
the need of any video acceleration whatsoever.. 


Re: [Trisquel-users] Nautilus will add native support for Google Drive and require an opt-out. Thoughts?

2015-09-10 Thread cdwaldrum
i have no choice in the matter with this - i use youtube a lot and i need  
google accouint for youtube


Re: [Trisquel-users] Nautilus will add native support for Google Drive and require an opt-out. Thoughts?

2015-09-10 Thread cdwaldrum
i have no choice in the matter with this - i use youtube a lot and i need  
google accouint for youtube


[Trisquel-users] Re : Internet connexion sharing

2015-09-10 Thread Julius22
My problem is that my access to Internet is from PC1 (by Wi-Fi). I want to  
share this access to Internet with PC2. I may want to connect another PC to  
my network one day. So, I want to use my router to share the access to  
Internet.


But I may try to connect PC1 and PC2 directly, avoiding the router from the  
problem, even if it's not what I initially wanted. Someone told me it should  
be easier to configure.


PC1 is my "normal" PC. PC2 is used for MythTV (it needs access to Internet  
for upgrading purpose, mainly; and I need to connect to it from my home  
network in order to use MythTV remotely).


Does my reply answer your questions?


Re: [Trisquel-users] Nautilus will add native support for Google Drive and require an opt-out. Thoughts?

2015-09-10 Thread onpon4
Proprietary software is required to create an account in the first place.  
That's the biggest reason why I don't have a Google account, and I'd wager to  
guess that's the case for a lot of others here.


Re: [Trisquel-users] What WiFi speeds can I expect?

2015-09-10 Thread calle
OK, I did the test with urandom described above. My MacBook is stable at 16  
megabyte/s. My X200 is fluctuating wildly but seems to average around 500  
kilobyte/s.


The Bit Rate from iwconfig says 65 Mb/s but the card is capable of 150 Mb/s  
(to my understanding). Nobody else here running a libreboot X200 with an  
atheros card? Does the transfer speeds not get any better that this?


Re: [Trisquel-users] Do DRM free games matter even if the game is non-free?

2015-09-10 Thread onpon4
It's not the same scripts, and there's one difference in outcome: Debian just  
removes the proprietary firmware, leaving in error messages telling you the  
names of the firmware files, while Linux-libre replaces those names with some  
slightly stylized version of "DEBLOBBED" (I want to say either "*DEBLOBBED*"  
or "/* DEBLOBBED */", but I'm not sure). There's also an unfortunate  
side-effect of the way Linux-libre does it where it becomes impossible to  
install these firmware blobs without modifying the source code and  
recompiling.


Re: [Trisquel-users] thinkpenguin question- graphic

2015-09-10 Thread cdwaldrum
the graphic card is for the frames that it renders - the lower ebd cards drop  
aboout 5 frames and that bothers me a lot - i going to be rendering a lot so  
i figure the titian be a good choice - i use to be surround by macs that been  
fitted with very high end cards at college and at high school so i know i  
would need them. 


Re: [Trisquel-users] Is there a shut down log, and where can I find it ?

2015-09-10 Thread amenex

More data ...

What alarmed me about the very brief text is that I thought I picked up  
something about an apache server ... which I am not knowingly using.


The extra text doesn't always appear ... and the brevity varies.


Re: [Trisquel-users] Nautilus will add native support for Google Drive and require an opt-out. Thoughts?

2015-09-10 Thread J.B. Nicholson-Owens

tomlukeyw...@fastmail.co.uk wrote:

now that i think about it i guess there is nothing bad about using Googles
online storage if you encrypt all your files.


The data describing one's uploads (when were transfers made, how large were 
the transfers, what IP addresses were involved in the transfer, etc.) could 
be quite revealing in the way that the distinction between "metadata" and 
"data" can be a bogus distinction with regard to someone's privacy.


With regard to software freedom: Is it possible to use the functionality of 
these third-party storage systems without running non-free software?


I imagine that the organizations involved (Google, Microsoft, Box, etc.) 
each have a considerable interest in getting their useds[1] to run non-free 
code. The non-free code implements the spying. Hence I imagine it's not 
hard to get people who aren't accustomed to thinking about software freedom 
or privacy to lose both by setting up the service so valuable functionality 
is unavailable to the public service API. One could use the service to a 
limited degree with exclusively free software but the parts that make the 
service truly worth using require giving up far more than these 
organizations will fully admit to (and the terms can change with each 
update of this non-free code). For instance, uploading and downloading 
files works via the API, but editing permissions, or getting a URI to point 
anyone to a file/directory one intends to share requires using the website 
which means running the non-free Javascript, or requires running an 
application.


If non-free code is required to use any part of the service, any 
integration with the service can be reasonably seen as a come-on for users 
to run the non-free code to fully use the service.




[1] This term "useds" used in the same way Stallman puts it in his most 
recent talks to speak of users who have been used by a service proprietor.


[Trisquel-users] Apt-Get upgrade finds the US repository unready

2015-09-10 Thread amenex
Two days in a row, when I ran sudo apt-get update and then sudo apt-get  
upgrade, the console said that there are upgrades ready to be downloaded, but  
when I ask for them, it turns out that the files aren't there yet.


This applies to the US repository. Not sure about any others.

Details:

> Need to get 321 kB of archives.
> After this operation, 0 B of additional disk space will be used.
> Do you want to continue? [Y/n] y
> Err http://us.archive.trisquel.info/trisquel/ belenos-security/main  
libspice-server1 amd64 0.12.4-0nocelt2ubuntu1.1

  404  Not Found [IP: 208.118.235.52 80]
> Err http://us.archive.trisquel.info/trisquel/ belenos-updates/main  
libspice-server1 amd64 0.12.4-0nocelt2ubuntu1.1

  404  Not Found [IP: 208.118.235.52 80]
> E: Failed to fetch  
http://us.archive.trisquel.info/trisquel/pool/main/s/spice/libspice-server1_0.12.4-0nocelt2ubuntu1.1_amd64.deb  
 404  Not Found [IP: 208.118.235.52 80]
> E: Unable to fetch some archives, maybe run apt-get update or try with  
--fix-missing?


What was there at the time:
> libspice-server1_0.12.4-0nocelt2ubuntu1_amd64.deb  08-May-2015 21:18 
  320750


What was not there:
> libspice-server1_0.12.4-0nocelt2ubuntu1.1_amd64.deb

What showed up a little later:
> libspice-server1_0.12.4-0nocelt2ubuntu1.1_amd64.deb  08-Sep-2015 14:04   
  321176


Same thing happened again today ... admittedly the delay was only a few  
minutes, but it's disconcerting to hit the server at the wrong moment two  
days in a row.


Shouldn't the files actually be present on the server before letting the  
server respond positively to an upgrade request ?


Re: [Trisquel-users] Do DRM free games matter even if the game is non-free?

2015-09-10 Thread moxalt
> Debian's kernel by default ships without the potentially non-free kernel bits

Does Debian actually use the Linux-libre scripts to deblob their kernel? Or do
they have their own in-house solution?

Also, is Debian's de-blobbed kernel (after Squeeze) effectively the same as
Linux-libre?


Re: [Trisquel-users] What WiFi speeds can I expect?

2015-09-10 Thread moxalt
> 11 megabytes/second

You lucky people- I consider 300kb/s fast. 500 tops. Usually around 120.


Re: [Trisquel-users] thinkpenguin question- graphic

2015-09-10 Thread tomlukeywood
"Games, AND NOTHING ELSE (excuse all-caps) come close to actually,  
technically requiring discrete cards as far as I know."


well if you were doing video editing or making highly detailed animations  
professionally then you would most likely want a good GPU just to improve  
your productivity and stuff would render quicker


but apart from that and games you don’t rely need a good GPU


[Trisquel-users] Accessing the Troll Hole

2015-09-10 Thread moxalt
Is the Troll Hole at all linked to a mailing list in the same way as the users
board? Thing is, I'd like to post on/read the Troll Hole, but can't be bothered
to actually log in to do it- I would rather post via mail, as I do in
trisquel-users. Is there a mailing list for the Troll Hole? Will there be a
mailing list for the Troll Hole? Can there be a mailing list for the Troll Hole?


Re: [Trisquel-users] thinkpenguin question- graphic

2015-09-10 Thread tomlukeywood
"Games, AND NOTHING ELSE (excuse all-caps) come close to actually,  
technically requiring discrete cards as far as I know."


well if you were doing video editing or making highly detailed animations  
professionally then you would most likely want a good GPU just to improve  
your productivity and stuff would render quicker


but apart from that and games you don’t rely need a good GPU


Re: [Trisquel-users] Is there a shut down log, and where can I find it ?

2015-09-10 Thread moxalt
> It very well could be the shutdown dialog

I doubt it. He seems to be describing a message occuring after X has already
been killed- like the shutdown message in text mode. Why this happens is beyond
me- Plymouth should kick in for the shutdown procedure (at least if he's using
Trisquel or Triskel). For me, the DE terminates, the screen goes black for a
second, then the Plymouth wallpaper appears for a few seconds, and then the
computer switches off. Strange.


Re: [Trisquel-users] Is there a shut down log, and where can I find it ?

2015-09-10 Thread moxalt
Anyway, I think that the white message on a black background you see is
actually a brief glimpse into text mode- the desktop environment has already
shut down, and the system is closing everything. The dialogue reads something
like this: "The system is going for shutdown NOW" and a bunch of things being
killed, or something to that effect.

> I have installed ksystemlog

Are you using KDE? That might have something to do with it. Or are you running
the standard Trisquel DE? About your normal shutdown procedure- does Plymouth
appear briefly on shutdown as well as boot? What do you normally see when you
shut down?


Re: [Trisquel-users] Do DRM free games matter even if the game is non-free?

2015-09-10 Thread tegskywalker
Yeah, they cannot completely open up the old Source engine due to the  
middleware. Would be interesting if Source 2 is all in-house.


Re: [Trisquel-users] thinkpenguin question- graphic

2015-09-10 Thread davesamcdxv
Games, AND NOTHING ELSE (excuse all-caps) come close to actually, technically  
requiring discrete cards as far as I know.


For best graphics performance without discrete cards though, just get a  
Broadwell (not skylake, not Haswell), or ix-5xxxC processor and then go  
without a discrete card.


And if I recall correctly video-editing is more CPU intensice than graphics  
intensive - maybe a Haswell i7 would serve you better than a Broadwell i5  
despite the latter's better graphics.


Long story short, you don't need a gaming card to do video editing. If I were  
you and didn't care about free software and didn't want to game but wanted to  
do video editing, I'd honestly consider by-passing a discrete card (and if  
needed, but probably not, get a Broadwell ix-5xxxC card). It simply isn't  
needed.


And rendering .avi and .mp4 don't depend on graphic cards.


Re: [Trisquel-users] thinkpenguin question- graphic

2015-09-10 Thread jadedml

Huh? You need a Nvidia card to render certain file formats?
You can render avi and mp4 files on pretty much any fair GPU (Including ones  
that work better than Nouveau) or CPU.
If you get a Penguin machine, you'll be able to render avi and mp4 files,  
period- this I guarantee you.


[Trisquel-users] Re : Do DRM free games matter even if the game is non-free?

2015-09-10 Thread calinou

Source has third-party proprietary dependencies, like Havok.


Re: [Trisquel-users] The Boinc problem

2015-09-10 Thread gromobir
Thank you very much for your efforts, Larissa. What actually happened to your  
LibreBOINC project? Is the source code still available somewhere?


Re: [Trisquel-users] thinkpenguin question- graphic

2015-09-10 Thread tomlukeywood

"for it can render avi files and mp4."

my pc uses integrated intel graphics and can render high quality mpeg-4 and  
avi (ogg, webm, mpeg-2 etc etc) video very well


so i don’t think you rely need an external GPU for this purpose.


Re: [Trisquel-users] What WiFi speeds can I expect?

2015-09-10 Thread calle
I was downloading the same file from my NAS on both computers. Both computers  
approx 3 meters from the router. The file was traveling from my NAS, cat6  
cable, Asus RT-AC68U, WiFi, to laptop, in both cases. Transfer was over SMB.


I'm at work now, but when I get home I do a better test for the actual  
speeds. My thinking is that I can set up my home server like this:

$ cat /dev/urandom | nc -l 1234
and then on my laptop
$ nc server.ip 1234 > /dev/null

That should be a better indicator for actual max speeds. I'll try to get that  
done tonight.


Is anybody else using an X200 with Atheros AR9285? What kind of speeds are  
you getting?