Re: [Trisquel-users] The future of Libre Computing: Crowd Funding Campaign Starts Now

2016-08-21 Thread luke . leighton
yeahyeah, it's kinda important!  this is one of those things where, if you  
don't stay on top of it, companies will simply default to "get it out the  
door, source code drops are extra cash wasted so don't bother" mode.




Re: [Trisquel-users] Well, I just installed Powershell

2016-08-21 Thread jabjabs
Exactly. MS would rather make 'open source' software in an effort to squeeze  
Oracle/Amazon/IBM our of the picture than to keep it proprietary and lose  
business.


This is a power play, nothing more.

Note Microsoft never say Free software or GNU as it would push the ethics,  
even when they ship big components of the system with the inclusion of GNU  
Bash. 


Re: [Trisquel-users] Well, I just installed Powershell

2016-08-21 Thread jabjabs
While that would be cool technology wise and to some degree security wise.  
But that would be yet another example of why the Linux kernel should have  
been moved over to GPLv3. On GPLv2 MS would still be able to ship it without  
allowing people to modify their local version.


Re: [Trisquel-users] Well, I just installed Powershell

2016-08-21 Thread tegskywalker

Microsoft released this to benefit Azure and not you.


Re: [Trisquel-users] Libreboot 20160818

2016-08-21 Thread greatgnu
> So would following the instructions on the libreboot website and not just  
going with the built-in MAC address. :)


Hehe, sure, but I was more thinking of the situation where one already made  
the mistake of flashing it with the built in one. Jxself santo subito :P


Re: [Trisquel-users] suggestions to uruk gnu/linux 2.0

2016-08-21 Thread dahunt
As I write this, I am using Uruk 32-bit edition on my laptop, having a Core 2  
Duo processor and 3 gb ram; The running Mate desktop is very fast, and  
applications seem to load more quickly than they would, even in the stock  
Triisquel 7.  I had trouble getting orca to run on my two older machines; on  
the large Dell machine, speech died once I started the installer. On the Asus  
netbook, I never got orca to come up.  I'm still running Uruk 1 from a usb  
drive, btw.  


Re: [Trisquel-users] suggestions to uruk gnu/linux 2.0

2016-08-21 Thread dguthrie
MATE is better I think. It runs on old computers reasonably well and is as  
easy, if not easier than GNOME Shell. And more recent versions of MATE have  
GTK3 Support, and in future they plan to support Wayland. This is a good  
option I think.


Re: [Trisquel-users] suggestions to uruk gnu/linux 2.0

2016-08-21 Thread dahunt
For the live image, go with GNOME Shell; it works and is accessible; I just  
don't like all that overhead. If you can get speech and braille into the net  
install, as Debian has done, and offer all the desktops, with whatever  
accessibility they support, I think everyone's covered.  


Re: [Trisquel-users] Getting debian fsf approved

2016-08-21 Thread dguthrie
If you are just making an ISO of Debian packages, just changing the  
installer, then it is still Debian, just with a slightly different installer.  
If you plan to change all the packages that are offending, then you would  
just be duplicating the efforts of gNewSense, which has few resources as it  
is, and already has the stamp of FSF approval. Go and help them if you want  
speedier development of Debian made free (according to FSF)!
None of what you propose will actually speed up development. It would also  
need to have self-hosted packages to comply with the strict FSDG. What you  
propose seems to be just an Iso file. I think you miss the point entirely.
Just remember, the FSF is not a Church. Just because it says one thing it  
doesn't mean it is necessarily right. It doesn't reflect badly on you as a  
person. 


[Trisquel-users] Re : explaination about free software mouvement and Trisquel in Trisquel 8 Flidas

2016-08-21 Thread lcerf
For some reason the access to the files in the "rms" subdirectory was denied.  
I fixed the permissions. Notice that I got the FSF membership card yeas ago.  
I hope those newest videos have replaced some of the older ones:


https://audio-video.gnu.org/video/TEDxGE2014_Stallman05_LQ.webm
https://static.fsf.org/nosvn/FSF30-video/FSF_30_720p.webm



Re: [Trisquel-users] Getting debian fsf approved

2016-08-21 Thread svhaab
It seems you now understand what I wrote in my first post. I get the  
impression you want to brush off what I wrote.

>It's hypothetical.
No.
>what does it offer
No asking for non free software when you install.
Fsf approval.
This I do not know. I assume it is a smaller task to make a librian iso than  
a trisquel iso because its the debian 8 main repository.
If people are not strict about non free software they can ask about that on  
the debian forum. On the trisquel forum you may and should not.

Updates follow debian 8.
I do not use trisquel and I am skeptical about it. One thing is that trisquel  
has small resources. If I have question about non free software I cannot ask  
on the trisquel forum. A new version of trisquel hangs. People claim trisquel  
does not get updates fast enough. If correct it tells you that you have  
reasons to be skeptical.

Instead fsf should corporate with debian to make a librian version.
>distributing Debian
No.
>still links to documentation, and recommends nonfree firmware in log files,  
etc
I have written why I think you are wrong. You write the same one more time.  
Provide documentation.


Re: [Trisquel-users] Libreboot 20160818

2016-08-21 Thread jason
"I was just providing a link to macchanger, that would have prevented what  
you described previously"


So would following the instructions on the libreboot website and not just  
going with the built-in MAC address. :)


Re: [Trisquel-users] explaination about free software mouvement and Trisquel in Trisquel 8 Flidas

2016-08-21 Thread universlibre

Thanks


Re: [Trisquel-users] explaination about free software mouvement and Trisquel in Trisquel 8 Flidas

2016-08-21 Thread universlibre

Thanks (You can use framadrop for sharing files)


Re: [Trisquel-users] suggestions to uruk gnu/linux 2.0

2016-08-21 Thread greatgnu

> What do you want to contain in it
How do you want it to be


Based on the next Debian stable with the Pantheon DE by default. Can you do  
that for me? :D


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-lB4QDWVIMM


[Trisquel-users] Re : explaination about free software mouvement and Trisquel in Trisquel 8 Flidas

2016-08-21 Thread lcerf
I have lost the Trisquel keychain. I still have the FSF membership card and  
here is the free software advocacy material on it (214 MB):  
http://dcc.ufmg.br/~lcerf/fsf


I can upload an archive of the whole thing if anybody wishes.


Re: [Trisquel-users] Libreboot 20160818

2016-08-21 Thread greatgnu
> A website you are accessing on the internet (like, say, fsf.org) has no  
access to your MAC address. The place you're connecting to from would be able  
to know it so a better way to say it might be that "Since it is a unique  
identifier, network access points can track you from one the other." This is  
the case as long as you're connected to the access point, regardless of  
whether or not you are actually making use of the internet. But anyway, you  
seem to be missing my point.


That's correct. You only have to concern yourself with your MAC address if  
you do not wish the local network administrator to be able to identify you.  
MAC addresses do not cross router boundaries, so anything outside of your LAN  
will never see it.
I was just providing a link to macchanger, that would have prevented what you  
described previously: "Two libreboot people doing that meet up, use the same  
network, and get their network interfaces shutdown because duplicate MAC  
addresses were found on the network."




Re: [Trisquel-users] suggestions to uruk gnu/linux 2.0

2016-08-21 Thread blade . vp2020

XFCE will be the default
but we Thinking to make Custom iso for users nede accessible (for me I cant  
use XFCE)

but I  confused what to use


[Trisquel-users] Re : suggestions to uruk gnu/linux 2.0

2016-08-21 Thread pinmaritim

Hi Alimiracle ;-)

I prefer XFCE

From a general  perspective  GNOME Shell's  large software offer and it's  
ease of use is a good choice.


 a Netinstall Iso with the possibility to install  all Desktops Environments  
would be great,doesn't mean that they all need to be ''customized as you have  
done with Uruk 1.0 MATE"


;-)
Thank you


Re: [Trisquel-users] suggestions to uruk gnu/linux 2.0

2016-08-21 Thread blade . vp2020

yes we Thinking about using it as default
but The big problem is

for me I prefer GNOME Shell
its so accessible


What is the best for you
 Mate or GNOME Shell?



Re: [Trisquel-users] suggestions to uruk gnu/linux 2.0

2016-08-21 Thread dahunt
I haven't tried xfce lately, but last time I did, the panel and file manager  
weren't accessible, though all the apps I tried seemed to be so.  Xfce's nice  
and fast, however, and may be the best option, for the default de, if you're  
planning to accommodate light-weight systems.  


Re: [Trisquel-users] Libreboot 20160818

2016-08-21 Thread vitacell

Yes.

The problem is, that, if you want more powerful CPUs, you must to buy one  
with microcode. Only alternatives are ARM, Core2Duo-Quad.


[Trisquel-users] Re : explaination about free software mouvement and Trisquel in Trisquel 8 Flidas

2016-08-21 Thread pinmaritim

The Examples folder on gNewSense Deltah 2.3 contains :

fables_01_01_aesop.spx ( 229,7 kB)
 GPLv2.TXT (18,0 kB )
oo-trig.xls (76,6 kB)
ForkingUbuntu.odp* (16,3 kB )
logos   (  2 items, totalling 3,4 kB )
free-software-song.ogg (326,8 kB)
oo-maxwell.odt (27,8 kB)
gnu-and-penguin-color-1024x946.png   (802,9 kB)
oo-payment-schedule.ods (76,6 kB )

4.3 MB

The heaviest  on board is the PDF doc
 rms-essays.pdf (2,7 MB)

Free Software, Free Society:
Selected Essays of Richard M. Stallman Introduction by Lawrence Lessig
Edited by Joshua Gay
First printing, first edition.
Copyright © 2002 Free Software Foundation, Inc.


Short Contents
Editor’s Note . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .  
. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 1
A Note on Software . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .  
. . . . . . . . . . . . . 3
Topic Guide . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .  
. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 7
Introduction . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .  
. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 9
Section One . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .  
. . . . . . . . . . . . . . 13
1 The GNU Project . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .  
. . . . . . . . . 15
2 The GNU Manifesto . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .  
. . . . . . . . 31
3 Free Software Definition . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .  
. . . . . . . . 41
4 Why Software Should Not Have Owners . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .  
. 45
5 What’s in a Name? . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .  
. . . . . . . . . . 51
6 Why “Free Software” is Better than “Open Source” . . . . . . . . .  
. . . 55
7 Releasing Free Software if You Work at a University . . . . . . . . . . .  
61
8 Selling Free Software . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .  
. . . . . . . . . 63
9 Free Software Needs Free Documentation . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .  
. . 67
10 Free Software Song . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .  
. . . . . . . . . 69
Section Two . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .  
. . . . . . . . . . . . . . 71
11 The Right to Read . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .  
. . . . . . . . . . . 73
12 Misinterpreting Copyright—A Series of Errors . . . . . . . . . . . . . .  
. . 77
13 Science Must ‘Push’ Copyright Aside . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .  
. . . . . . 87
14 What is Copyleft? . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .  
. . . . . . . . . . . 89
15 Copyleft: Pragmatic Idealism . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .  
. . . . . . . 91
16 The Danger of Software Patents . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .  
. . . . . . 95
Section Three . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .  
. . . . . . . . . . . . . 113
17 Can You Trust Your Computer? . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .  
. . . . 115
18 Why Software Should Be Free . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .  
. . . . . 119

19 Copyright and Globalization in the Age of Computer Networks . . 133
20 Free Software: Freedom and Cooperation . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .  
. 155
21 Words to Avoid . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .  
. . . . . . . . . . 187
Section Four . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .  
. . . . . . . . . . . . . . 193
GNU General Public License . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .  
. . . . . . . . 195
GNU Lesser General Public License . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .  
. . . . . 203


upload here max is 2MB so i have removed the PDF  :-u


Re: [Trisquel-users] explaination about free software mouvement and Trisquel in Trisquel 8 Flidas

2016-08-21 Thread universlibre

yes ! Can you send me this file please ?


Re: [Trisquel-users] explaination about free software mouvement and Trisquel in Trisquel 8 Flidas

2016-08-21 Thread universlibre
Can you check that for me please ? If they are such document, can you send  
them to me ? 


Re: [Trisquel-users] Libreboot 20160818

2016-08-21 Thread dguthrie
Microcode isn't a malware function that can only be removed by Intel. It is a  
function of the chip - how hardware instructions communicate with raw  
silicon.
Even if they released source code you probably couldn't change it. It could  
be malicious but you're best getting a chip designed without it. 


Re: [Trisquel-users] suggestions to uruk gnu/linux 2.0

2016-08-21 Thread blade . vp2020

> Maybe an accessible login greeter, such as the one used in Trisquel?
ok
> How about an accessible net installer, such as in Debian?
we will try

> I'd suggest sticking to Mate
> 1.12, based on problem reports that latelyh come up on Sonar GNU support  
forum.

its  not best to use Mate

We will become like(as copy) from trisquel
its xfce ok for you?
and What about GNOME Shell?

>  if you are sticking with Mate, how about including audacious as the music
> player, and vlc as the audio/video player?
  ok