Re: [Trisquel-users] The future of Libre Computing: Crowd Funding Campaign Starts Now

2016-09-03 Thread chris
No, it's a new standard, so you would need a housing that says "EOMA68  
compatible", unless you are operating the computer card independently of any  
housing, in which case you need the cable kit. Right now only two housings  
are being manufactured. One is a desktop housing and one is a laptop housing.  
Other housings are planned for the future. Anybody can design a housing  
around EOMA68 [though they'll need to comply with the standard to state this  
and get certification]. 


Re: [Trisquel-users] Test message, please ignore

2016-09-03 Thread vitacell

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Re: [Trisquel-users] Test message, please ignore

2016-09-03 Thread pinmaritim

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Re: [Trisquel-users] Test message, please ignore

2016-09-03 Thread dguthrie
If you're parodying text messaging it sort of shows you don't do it much. why  
would they add z to the end of words? nobody does this!!!


Re: [Trisquel-users] The future of Libre Computing: Crowd Funding Campaign Starts Now

2016-09-03 Thread calmstorm
I have probably both said and asked more than enough, so I am probably better  
off, keeping my mouth shut for a while.


Forgive me, I will try to say no more.

I think I might be way too impaitent about certain things... ;/




Re: [Trisquel-users] The future of Libre Computing: Crowd Funding Campaign Starts Now

2016-09-03 Thread luke . leighton
the (completely independent team) inside allwinner which has nothing to do  
with any of the other teams, is stating "we want to maintain control over our  
hardware, we [naively] believe that this is the best way to do it".


the fact that they're pissing *everybody* off and forcing people to waste  
their time reverse-engineering the unencrypted libdram.a seems to have  
entirely escaped their attention.




Re: [Trisquel-users] The future of Libre Computing: Crowd Funding Campaign Starts Now

2016-09-03 Thread luke . leighton

> Luke did say he was thinking of a 9 inch tablet yes?

> but why not a 2 in 1 tablet that is 11 inches?

because it's about justifying the cost (as in "will people buy it") as well  
as the power budget and a whole stack of other factors.  designing a 9in  
tablet: $50k.  designing an 11in tablet: $50k.  anybody who is convinced  
enough that there's a market, enough to sponsor a design (estimated $50k) i'm  
quite happy to hear from them.


the alternative is that someone in the community does the design.  they need  
to be prepared however to spend at least a year on it.


> I am curious though if you plan to upgrade the following: to a 3 cell or  
higher battery such as 6 cell or 9 cell,


this has been answered already a number of times: it's a total redesign (i.e.  
another $50k).  the different battery arrangement means that the casework  
from the 15.6in laptop has to be discarded, and you have to start again.   
also, the power board cannot be used: you have to start again with that, too.  
 because you now have a totally different power board, you also have to  
redesign the casework to fit that.  also, because the battery is unlikely to  
fit on the right-hand side and has to go at the back, now that impacts PCB1  
because it's designed to fill the left-hand side all the way to the back.


to summarise: *EVERY SINGLE ONE* of the things that you're casually asking  
for is basically a minimum of ONE YEARS worth of work, CalmStorm!  even the  
micro-desktop board took about... two to three months of work, and that's a  
4in x 4.5in board!


64-bit: i'm looking into options (it's on the updates page) however every  
single option basically requires full-time a minimum of 3 months work and  
will require a minimum of $2k in PCB costs... that's excluding my time.


please remember: this is hardware, it takes time, and it takes money.  that  
time and that money have to be justified in terms of the return on  
investment.  if anyone would like to sponsor the development, or work with me  
to get these projects done, i'm open to discussions.






Re: [Trisquel-users] The future of Libre Computing: Crowd Funding Campaign Starts Now

2016-09-03 Thread luke . leighton

> They haven't even imagined somebody would want more than 2GB at this point.

correct.  all these SoCs are targetted at tablets, tablets, tablets, tablets,  
tablets aaand... tablets.  why would you *ever* want to run more than one  
program on... a tablet?  that's the logic.  any fabless semi company that  
pays MORE MONEY for the DDR3 Hard macros that can address more than 2GB ends  
up... not being competitive!


... or so they believe.  and it's too much money to throw away on a risk like  
that ($USD 30 *MILLION* minimum for most of these companies).


about the only way to convince them is to steer fabless semi companies  
towards "chromebooks".  *all* x86-based chromebooks can do 8GB RAM... none of  
the ARM-based ones can.  chromebooks are a large market, therefore they  
*MIGHT* be convinced of the extra costs.




Re: [Trisquel-users] The future of Libre Computing: Crowd Funding Campaign Starts Now

2016-09-03 Thread luke . leighton
the iMX8 isn't quite ready yet (documentation-wise) although they do have  
pre-production silicon.  freescale works with big customers first (volumes of  
1 million and above), then when they're ready (i.e. when they won't get  
overloaded with questions because the documentation's fully complete) they'll  
sell QTY 1 to absolutely anybody.  it'll get there.




Re: [Trisquel-users] The future of Libre Computing: Crowd Funding Campaign Starts Now

2016-09-03 Thread luke . leighton
> Would I be able to get 8 hours web surfing with the design on the 15.6  
inch?


with care (i.e. by ramping down the backlight on the LCD, which uses about  
3.5 watts at full brightness just on its own)... that's more than likely.


> But also, won't 32 bit become obsolete someday?

when using 200+ tabs on your web browser becomes the norm, when running 600+  
programs simultaneously becomes the norm, when 3D internet becomes the norm,  
when Virtual Reality becomes the norm yes.




Re: [Trisquel-users] The future of Libre Computing: Crowd Funding Campaign Starts Now

2016-09-03 Thread svhaab
Can you put the computer card into a x86 notebook with no mainboard? Can you  
connect display, keyboard, touchpad, speakers, battery and powersupply? How  
do you connect the devices? Thank you. 


Re: [Trisquel-users] Test message, please ignore

2016-09-03 Thread greatgnu

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please ignore em bothz


Re: [Trisquel-users] Libreboot 20160818

2016-09-03 Thread no-email

my sputnik r20160902 version:

./ich9gen --macaddress MY:MA:CX:AD:DR:SX
./cbfstool ~/x200.rom remove background.jpg -n background.jpg
./cbfstool ~/x200.rom add -f background.jpg -n background.jpg -t raw