Re: [Trisquel-users] A mail provider based in Bulgaria, using 100% open source software, Tor-friendly and no javascript friendly.
I have sent a mail to Ryan for including Tutanota.de in the list of approved free software webmail systems. Hopefully, he will get it from there.
Re: [Trisquel-users] A mail provider based in Bulgaria, using 100% open source software, Tor-friendly and no javascript friendly.
Yes, it seems Tutanota is already under review. If you view the source code of the FSF page (https://www.fsf.org/resources/webmail-systems), you'll see a section that's commented out - lines 369-395. This is what they say about Tutanota: LibreJS blocks pretty much all scripts on the page - js needed for registration. They do look keen on GPLv3 and security, as well as libre/freedom, so look promising.
Re: [Trisquel-users] A mail provider based in Bulgaria, using 100% open source software, Tor-friendly and no javascript friendly.
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Let's hope tuta nota fixes their scripts soon, and can get the RYF seel of approval. Same for postio. On 08/12/2015 02:45 PM, tba...@openmailbox.org wrote: Yes, it seems Tutanota is already under review. If you view the source code of the FSF page (https://www.fsf.org/resources/webmail-systems), you'll see a section that's commented out - lines 369-395. This is what they say about Tutanota: LibreJS blocks pretty much all scripts on the page - js needed for registration. They do look keen on GPLv3 and security, as well as libre/freedom, so look promising. -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1 iQEcBAEBAgAGBQJVy5ahAAoJEPDWzxLwi2tAoxIIAJQ0Qha/gO3l73lHlWgUhj/o vBZk3+z3od/dFxVd69j/1xDs7TEBPdFWHHBjO9VO+joR7BH+4MlBYKds8HOlBjYh FYro/XFA7/Y0U9S6v8d1CbjJxP+jjvbed9jHhEdWZvZtx22/0x5WHfBFFRNHLwcN xV66gl68EuUzdJF8gCmeR0Fbb4z3OI2MoIZH38HF1rIkTSVnn2ZMWvoESvJXZGiN 6TbKDQzWkII+TPc4OkQgNYN4jRhomPbMD5bM3rOggxPxJ53JbPhbnDQtoTHw2K8o uNcKEvOlpcufvjRxQsSamvfCZS7Q8e3OPo7XiAhKE5r7ns23LKy9p3rFz0MWeE0= =ikEb -END PGP SIGNATURE-
Re: [Trisquel-users] A mail provider based in Bulgaria, using 100% open source software, Tor-friendly and no javascript friendly.
Dave, posteo.de is recommended by the Free Software Foundation too. According to FSF, posteo is Fully compliant with LibreJS's standards, but a bug in LibreJS causes the site to not work when the plugin is enabled.
Re: [Trisquel-users] A mail provider based in Bulgaria, using 100% open source software, Tor-friendly and no javascript friendly.
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Thanks for further validating my choice of email provider :) I whitelisted the site in noscript. The web interface could use some accessibility improvement; since I can use icedove, it's not a deal breaker. Cheers, Dave On 08/11/2015 03:11 PM, tba...@openmailbox.org wrote: Dave, posteo.de is recommended by the Free Software Foundation too. -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1 iQEcBAEBAgAGBQJVyk3jAAoJEPDWzxLwi2tAV+cH/2AZd4BXrPRGAmB/DPiCaXHy tPmkhsnE71oLuE1rGzcuXxIEeUWp6BSK0+KSti1s2nIcFsADBxSq3LOPCOkH8Vtn sZ6ZghsmV8QiXzejjMt7q90aJZodRHFqm02+JOCzt4nYxgpqpx5V6K37VmqRCyDi wd9FKFWwTDalTSytwio+DBGlsCsK9qQR4Bzi/PJO19FP2/66nvPX7Z4mhZkfJlEL s43/dux8j47XoaP5bGO3nH8Mcq7vldEMqZs+9GuMnrQx0wTXNTMOeIOzUJ+74dwa qOENgZkvJv4rsHvJHSJN72hF/IwlIIG3I31gm3O/sMrz98ar9WmtD9RHshYX8xc= =z3Xi -END PGP SIGNATURE-
Re: [Trisquel-users] A mail provider based in Bulgaria, using 100% open source software, Tor-friendly and no javascript friendly.
Tutanota looks cool. I hope someone is passing on all these suggestions to the FSF for consideration, to see if they are appropriate to list on the Free Webmail List (or Free Software Directory in the case of MailinaBox).
Re: [Trisquel-users] A mail provider based in Bulgaria, using 100% open source software, Tor-friendly and no javascript friendly.
https://tutanota.uservoice.com/forums/237921-general/suggestions/7926183-is-this-site-as-safe-as-it-proclaims In addition we plan to support LIbreJS
Re: [Trisquel-users] A mail provider based in Bulgaria, using 100% open source software, Tor-friendly and no javascript friendly.
Where have you heard that plan? There's an open issue for it at: https://tutanota.uservoice.com/forums/237921-general/suggestions/7502086-librejs-compliance
Re: [Trisquel-users] A mail provider based in Bulgaria, using 100% open source software, Tor-friendly and no javascript friendly.
Excellent news! Thanks.
Re: [Trisquel-users] A mail provider based in Bulgaria, using 100% open source software, Tor-friendly and no javascript friendly.
Great news about tutanota; I've decided to migrate to posteo.de. Not sure about its fitness for librejs, but I temporarily whitelisted it for signup and preferences setting. There is a captcha of the non-image, non-audio-file kind; I had no trouble with it. The automatic migration assistant is a nice extra; I've copied my gmail data. Account config in icedove is automatic; very nice!
Re: [Trisquel-users] A mail provider based in Bulgaria, using 100% open source software, Tor-friendly and no javascript friendly.
What about https://tutanota.de/?
Re: [Trisquel-users] A mail provider based in Bulgaria, using 100% open source software, Tor-friendly and no javascript friendly.
Well actually at the moment it is the best one. Openmailbox I think has cookies attached to it. :( Noscript picks up suspicious scripts on it. and yes I know that it was on the list. It is also the best one on the list though (at the moment.)
Re: [Trisquel-users] A mail provider based in Bulgaria, using 100% open source software, Tor-friendly and no javascript friendly.
Hi Dave! That is a shame indeed. Not only filling a captcha is required to open the account but also to login to the webmail service. If you have a friend that can help you fill the captcha when you open an account you can then use their service with a client like icedove or claws mail. I sent them a mail about the requirement of filling a captcha when loging into an account when using the webamil service. I can understand a need for one when signing up for a new account but needing to fill a captcha each time one wants to log in is unnecessary and it is a problem for many people with visual impairment. cheers
Re: [Trisquel-users] A mail provider based in Bulgaria, using 100% open source software, Tor-friendly and no javascript friendly.
I've tried getting accounts on rugged inbox and open mailbox. Both have visual captcha, with no alternative way to prove I'm human. I guess people who need tools like Orca screen reader are not welcome.
Re: [Trisquel-users] A mail provider based in Bulgaria, using 100% open source software, Tor-friendly and no javascript friendly.
My bad! I forgot about this email self defence guide. Thank you SuperTrump83, for bringing the old pal to memory.
Re: [Trisquel-users] A mail provider based in Bulgaria, using 100% open source software, Tor-friendly and no javascript friendly.
gmail..
Re: [Trisquel-users] A mail provider based in Bulgaria, using 100% open source software, Tor-friendly and no javascript friendly.
I will try it
Re: [Trisquel-users] A mail provider based in Bulgaria, using 100% open source software, Tor-friendly and no javascript friendly.
Of course, many of my contacts use or might use it (or yahoo, or hotmail, or whatever). It's unfortunate, and I can try to talk them out of it at least for personal life, but that's the way it is for now. I can be as free as I want, if I can't my message across, it's pointless, you know what I mean?
Re: [Trisquel-users] A mail provider based in Bulgaria, using 100% open source software, Tor-friendly and no javascript friendly.
Hi lap4fsf. I'm glad you like ruggedinbox. I myself trust them. I have a riseup mail account and I opened a ruggedinbox account too :) I recommend you install the addon enigmail for Icedove. It is a very easy way to sign/encrypt/decrypt your mails, very effective and very easy to use. Here a guide that may help you - https://emailselfdefense.fsf.org/en/
Re: [Trisquel-users] A mail provider based in Bulgaria, using 100% open source software, Tor-friendly and no javascript friendly.
Sure. And that is why I personally signup for a decent mail provider and then calmly and gently explain to my friend why, if he wants to communicate with me by mail, he needs to use a decent mail provider. If he understands I call him and tell him the password for his new mail account (which I opened, because he is 80% so noob as to not even try) and tell him where in the settings he can change the password. I then tell him that he can use gmail with the rest of the world but when he wants to communicate with me he logs into his decent webmail, inserts the psswd and writes me a mail. Simple. If they don't understand/want to listen, I don't care much. Communication ends, or goes through telephone (not smartphone, I don't have one).
Re: [Trisquel-users] A mail provider based in Bulgaria, using 100% open source software, Tor-friendly and no javascript friendly.
I just tried sending myself a test mail from ruggedinbox to gmail. It's received as a spam. I wouldn't call that useable. Is there a way to prevent that?
Re: [Trisquel-users] A mail provider based in Bulgaria, using 100% open source software, Tor-friendly and no javascript friendly.
Good idea, it's doable, although it's a bit unpractical. Though the idea of emails being truly personal is a great argument, and could be very convincing. I'll probably do that while keeping gmail for business (no way I'd do that with work partners, I'd starve). I'm also tempted by the idea of the home phone only (ditching the smartphone). after all, I can check messages and call back. But for now I'll accept giving my geolocation for a very useful (potentially lifesaving tool) while looking for a better way. But it's definitely tempting.
Re: [Trisquel-users] A mail provider based in Bulgaria, using 100% open source software, Tor-friendly and no javascript friendly.
Great to hear that! I have opened an account in ruggedinbox.com. The roundcube log-in screen seems to have some issue with LibreJS add-on, while squirrelmail flavour, on the other hand seems to work like charm. Possibly, a newbie question: How do the ruggedinbox.com handle encryption? Do I need to set up the encryption key-pair myself and if so, where should I save them? I have an openmailbox account too, but when I log out, the key pair (public and private) is lost, and this has caused issues in reading encrypted mails. To be frank, I am having limited experience in sending unencrypted and unsigned mails. So any help is highly appreciable.
Re: [Trisquel-users] A mail provider based in Bulgaria, using 100% open source software, Tor-friendly and no javascript friendly.
Plus most corporate users you'll communicate with will be using gmail, yahoo mail etc. Might as well use one of those too (not anonymous nor privacy-friendly, but secure enough, even with js enabled). The true advantage of ruggedinbox (not being forced to use javascript and maybe Tor) is indeed rendered impractical in that case anyway.
Re: [Trisquel-users] A mail provider based in Bulgaria, using 100% open source software, Tor-friendly and no javascript friendly.
Let me add one that you may not be using or have heard of... posteo.de They have something called cryptomail which encrypts your whole email. and that isn't all either... :) and they have 0 trackers on their website at least to my knowledge. Although their is a 1$ fee per month which might turn some of you off. but 1$ a month is nothing compared to startmail's 60$ a year :) my point? look at it you may like it. :)
Re: [Trisquel-users] A mail provider based in Bulgaria, using 100% open source software, Tor-friendly and no javascript friendly.
Let me add one that you may not be using or have heard of... posteo.de CalmStorm: posteo is the first in the list on the website we are talking about! :P
Re: [Trisquel-users] A mail provider based in Bulgaria, using 100% open source software, Tor-friendly and no javascript friendly.
openmailbox is subject to the Charlie law. It requires javascript to open an account. It has a google tracker. It requires you to provide an email address for you to open an account. It doesn't have an onion hidden instance. Ruggedinbox has a few limits: - 30 outgoing emails per day - 1 outgoing email every 3 minutes I see no limits in it.. Besides Openmailbox has grown rapidly. They already have about 130 000 users at the moment. So?
Re: [Trisquel-users] A mail provider based in Bulgaria, using 100% open source software, Tor-friendly and no javascript friendly.
As promised, ruggedinbox mail service was added to the list of Free Software Webmail Systems yayy :P
Re: [Trisquel-users] A mail provider based in Bulgaria, using 100% open source software, Tor-friendly and no javascript friendly.
Ruggedinbox has a few limits: - 30 outgoing emails per day - 1 outgoing email every 3 minutes while Openmailbox has not these limits. Besides Openmailbox has grown rapidly. They already have about 130 000 users at the moment.
Re: [Trisquel-users] A mail provider based in Bulgaria, using 100% open source software, Tor-friendly and no javascript friendly.
Since I read your posting, I did open an e-mail account with them. Matter fact, I'm looking and researching to setup a e-mail server for us. My colleagues agree and vote for it, All 14 employees voted unanimously. I'm committed to my employees because of their vote! My employees would like it to be functional in 6 months. Anymore suggestion are welcome.
Re: [Trisquel-users] A mail provider based in Bulgaria, using 100% open source software, Tor-friendly and no javascript friendly.
The gentleman who answered my mail told me that he informed the guy responsible of the mail list and that they should update the website to include several new services (rugged included hopefully).
Re: [Trisquel-users] A mail provider based in Bulgaria, using 100% open source software, Tor-friendly and no javascript friendly.
Iḿ interested
Re: [Trisquel-users] A mail provider based in Bulgaria, using 100% open source software, Tor-friendly and no javascript friendly.
Awesome. I love https://ruggedinbox.com/ . :)
Re: [Trisquel-users] A mail provider based in Bulgaria, using 100% open source software, Tor-friendly and no javascript friendly.
glad you liked it lloydsmart! :)
Re: [Trisquel-users] A mail provider based in Bulgaria, using 100% open source software, Tor-friendly and no javascript friendly.
Hi lap4fsf! I think you are right. In fact I just sent them a mail. Hopefully ruggedinbox will get added to the list. Cheers!
Re: [Trisquel-users] A mail provider based in Bulgaria, using 100% open source software, Tor-friendly and no javascript friendly.
WOW! Mailinabox looks pretty amazing. I've been running my own mailserver for a while now, but it's a pain to set everything up manually and the security best practices included in Mailinabox are compelling. I think I'll make the switch!
Re: [Trisquel-users] A mail provider based in Bulgaria, using 100% open source software, Tor-friendly and no javascript friendly.
Hi SuperTramp83, Great job! I strongly believe this should be included in Free Software Foundation's Free Software Webmail Systems page for the whole free software community. Can you do it?
Re: [Trisquel-users] A mail provider based in Bulgaria, using 100% open source software, Tor-friendly and no javascript friendly.
Jei: sure! But many don't have the knowledge or just don't want to take the trouble of setting their own server. But I agree that it is the best possible solution. I personally trust and use riseup. But this one seems pretty decent too (the ruggedinbox mail). I didn't try it (yet) but this seems an easy way to set up a webmail server: https://mailinabox.email/ cheers
[Trisquel-users] A mail provider based in Bulgaria, using 100% open source software, Tor-friendly and no javascript friendly.
I know many of you use openmailbox. I think you may be interested in this alternative. Bulgaria seems better then France (the level of surveillance machinery in France nowadays is like in the USA). This mail provider works great with Tor and has a .onion hidden instance. It works perfectly fine without javascript (just made an account). You can both make an account and access the webmail without allowing any javashit. https://ruggedinbox.com/
