Re: [Trisquel-users] Community feedback is needed on whether Libreboot should re-join GNU

2017-04-30 Thread strypey
This is a rare and special event. It gives me great hope for the future. It  
makes me question some of the hardline positions I have taken my own past  
activism, and the bridges I may have unnecessarily burned in the process. I  
trust we have all learned some important lessons about how to handle and  
resolve conflict. I wish the Libreboot community all the best, and I hope the  
reunion with the GNU Project is as smooth and mutually beneficial as  
possible.


Re: [Trisquel-users] Community feedback is needed on whether Libreboot should re-join GNU

2017-04-24 Thread jbahn

Good going. Keep it up.


Re: [Trisquel-users] Community feedback is needed on whether Libreboot should re-join GNU

2017-04-23 Thread info
Libreboot will soon apply to re-join the GNU project. It is not yet certain  
whether the GNU project would indeed accept Libreboot as a renewed member.


RMS of GNU and John Sullivan of the FSF have both accepted my apologies, via  
private emails. With that, plus consent from Libreboot core maintainers and  
acceptance by the community, an attempt at re-joining the GNU project is now  
in progress.


You can keep up to date with further news, on the Libreboot News section on  
the website:

https://libreboot.org/news/


Re: [Trisquel-users] Community feedback is needed on whether Libreboot should re-join GNU

2017-04-23 Thread info

UPDATE:

The community here and in various other places where Libreboot users are  
prevalent, has decidedly voted in favour of a reunion with the GNU project.


See update on the Reddit thread:
https://www.reddit.com/r/libreboot/comments/66tdds/proposal_for_libreboot_rejoin_gnu_community/

Alyssa Rosenzweig, Libreboot's designated spokesperson, is handling the  
re-join in addition to all communication with the GNU project.


I have stepped down as leader of the Libreboot project, while still  
contributing to it.


Re: [Trisquel-users] Community feedback is needed on whether Libreboot should re-join GNU

2017-04-23 Thread tct
I too believe it's best if libreboot is part of the GNU project, just like  
Linux-libre, another important piece of GNU, is part of the project.


Re: [Trisquel-users] Community feedback is needed on whether Libreboot should re-join GNU

2017-04-23 Thread mkl80
I was of great benefit to us all and to freedom, if you would join again with  
GNU project. And we all make mistakes, don't be too hard on yourself...


Re: [Trisquel-users] Community feedback is needed on whether Libreboot should re-join GNU

2017-04-22 Thread info
RMS has replied, saying that he accepts my apology and that he hopes  
Libreboot can work with the community in good relation again.


Re: [Trisquel-users] Community feedback is needed on whether Libreboot should re-join GNU

2017-04-22 Thread calmstorm

Ah okay, well I did say to disregard my message if you did.

regardless though, it is a good idea to rejoin GNU.


Re: [Trisquel-users] Community feedback is needed on whether Libreboot should re-join GNU

2017-04-22 Thread gromobir

Yes, please try to re-join GNU!


Re: [Trisquel-users] Community feedback is needed on whether Libreboot should re-join GNU

2017-04-22 Thread info
I actually sent my apology to RMS directly, via email. I did apologize  
generally to the GNU project, on the website.


RMS generally prefers email and as far as I know he doesn't use the web.


Re: [Trisquel-users] Community feedback is needed on whether Libreboot should re-join GNU

2017-04-22 Thread calmstorm

I would also advise you to apologize if you haven't already to stallman.

But if you have,

then disregard the above part of my message and go for it.

;)


Re: [Trisquel-users] Community feedback is needed on whether Libreboot should re-join GNU

2017-04-22 Thread keiyamashita
I feel like the issues that would make this decision questionable have been  
more than adequately taken care of (decentralized authority, thorough and  
humble apology, reorientation on project goals, etc.). Also, I see Libreboot  
as a very useful (and at this point critical) piece of free software that  
would do well to be a part of GNU. You have an emphatic request to rejoin  
from me! :-)


Re: [Trisquel-users] Community feedback is needed on whether Libreboot should re-join GNU

2017-04-22 Thread jbahn
I know this case only from the outside: What I have read on this an other  
forums and on sites like libreboot.org, fsf.org etc. I have never met any  
implied parties and have no insider knowledge about persons, situations,  
relations or what not.


I have purchased a libreboot installation service from Minifree and in  
relation to that I have communicated with Leah. About the order and about  
some related technical issues in the very same way I am now communicating  
with Tiberiu from Tehnoetic about a similar installation service.


I have grown to become a very firm believer in free and open software. Yet I  
have no deep knowledge about underlying and implied technical issues or  
matters of principle.


Hence, I consider my self a member of the libreboot community as well as of  
the free software community but still as sort of an outsider.


In my view, based on the above, I have two comments:

Firstly, in my opinion there is no doubt, that libreboot, GNU and fsf  
basically are working towards the same goals. And hence it makes little sense  
that they are not joined. My vote is a yes, re-join.


Secondly, I wish to second opinions expressed at least on this site, that  
apologies of the magnitude we have seen in this case goes far beyond what  
most of us would be capable to express. Let the clean one throw the first  
stone, and let the rest of us live and live on with errors and mistakes -  
especially those repented and made up for.


[Trisquel-users] Community feedback is needed on whether Libreboot should re-join GNU

2017-04-21 Thread info

Context:
https://libreboot.org/news/unity.html
https://libreboot.org/news/proposal-rejoin-gnu.html

Main discussion thread:
https://www.reddit.com/r/libreboot/comments/66tdds/proposal_for_libreboo
t_rejoin_gnu_community/

Thoughts are welcomed. If the community agrees, I will begin the
application process for Libreboot to be considered for re-entry into
the GNU project.

Discussion is welcome here aswell, since Trisquel forms a large part of the  
core FSF community, and very much reflects Libreboot's userbase.