Re: [Trisquel-users] Firefox and Abrowser

2017-11-15 Thread davidecaramori

Yes, I got the point FindEssential, thanks to everyone


Re: [Trisquel-users] Firefox and Abrowser

2017-11-15 Thread dhood

Davide0,

This sort of inquiry hearkens to an important issue in Free Software, whether  
to define it narrowly or broadly. Here in this forum people tend to define it  
broadly to encompass things that are not software or additional points that  
can be easily replicated with mainline software.


For many people mainline Firefox with EME and telemetry turned off is  
sufficient. Branding isn't software and though non-free repos are available,  
if you don't use them the end product is the same. Many, many people feel the  
same way about Debian. As it ships, it is free software, the issues advocates  
raise are software adjacent. It really just depends on where you want to  
stake out your position.


For example, I wouldn't use Debian as Trisquel is sufficient for my needs. I  
find Icecat/Abrowser wanting in performance which is important in my use  
case. I also don't really share the "freedom concerns" regarding Firefox  
others share and have no issue using it on Trisquel. I do turn off EME and  
Telemetry though. I also only install add-ons I know to be free software, but  
I do use the Mozilla repo to do so because I want my add-ons updated in a  
timely manner as Quantum rolls out. I am not confident that would happen with  
the Trisquel or FSF repo. 


Re: [Trisquel-users] Firefox and Abrowser

2017-11-15 Thread davidecaramori
And is it possible to disable telemetry/data collection/tracking in Firefox  
(and also HTML DRM)? And if I disable them is Firefox like Abrowser (apart  
the logo)?


Re: [Trisquel-users] Firefox and Abrowser

2017-11-14 Thread alonivtsan
IceCat is ESR - based on Firefox 52. Abrowser is not (it's based on newer  
Firefox 56). Abrowser/Icecat also hide the DRM option in the main menus.


Re: [Trisquel-users] Firefox and Abrowser

2017-11-14 Thread dhood
As far as I am aware these "features" are not removed per-say. Its just that  
by default EME and telemetry are turned off which can be done in mainline  
Firefox as well. Firefox ships with EME opt-in only, but I believe Telemetry  
is on by default. Beyond that there is the branding and the add-on repo as  
well. Pocket is removed too.


Icecat/Abrowser are ESR as apposed to stable. Normally this isn't a problem,  
but with Quantum serving as a significant upgrade I can understand why people  
would want to dump an ESR rebrand for mainline Firefox. Especially if they  
fall in the "branding is not software" camp, which is a legitimate point.


Icecat/Abrowser do not have support for Sync, so there might be a freedom  
issue there I am not aware of.


Re: [Trisquel-users] Firefox and Abrowser

2017-11-14 Thread alonivtsan
There are other differences between the browsers other than artwork  
licensing, such as Abrowser removing support for HTML5 DRM and also removing  
telemetry (and linking to a free add-on repository).


Re: [Trisquel-users] Firefox and Abrowser

2017-11-14 Thread greatgnu
Yes, Firefox, the software is free software with a free software license. The  
logo is not libre. A logo is not software though, but art, or symbol. So.. if  
you are ok with that, with the nonfree painted fox, go for it, yes.


[Trisquel-users] Firefox and Abrowser

2017-11-14 Thread davidecaramori
The only difference between Abrowser and Firefox is the addons repository? If  
so, if I install Firefox and only free addons am I using a GNU-compatible  
software?