Re: [Trisquel-users] GNU Hurd/ advantages

2014-03-08 Thread davesam415
I think it could be the same story of how the name Linux took off the way  
GNU/Linux didn't.


Re: [Trisquel-users] GNU Hurd/ advantages

2014-02-13 Thread icarolongo
I tried Debian GNU/Hurd in one computer I have and the GRUB didn't install.  
This was the only issue.


In a virtual machine it works (KVM or VirtualBox) :-)


Re: [Trisquel-users] GNU Hurd/ advantages

2014-02-13 Thread alejandroamatmartinez
As far as I know (I haven't given it a try) Hurd doesn't (still) support  
audio or USB.


Re: [Trisquel-users] GNU Hurd/ advantages

2014-02-12 Thread gustavo_cm
There's also Arch Hurd (unfortunately, it seems not much active these days):  
http://web.archive.org/web/20131006165016/http://www.archhurd.org/


Re: [Trisquel-users] GNU Hurd/ advantages

2014-01-30 Thread onpon4
From what I've heard, the Hurd is usable and stable (doesn't crash) now, but  
still not as good as Linux for most users. Apparently is has special features  
of some sort, but that's a low-level thing that would only be of interest to  
a small number of people. It probably also doesn't have as much hardware  
support as Linux, though I'm not sure about this.


Re: [Trisquel-users] GNU Hurd/ advantages

2014-01-30 Thread virx61
It may not be too hard to just try GNU/Hurd firsthand instead of relying on  
nebulous statements like "only marginally usable". Doesn't Debian have a  
GNU/Hurd sub-distro ready to try?


Re: [Trisquel-users] GNU Hurd/ advantages

2014-01-30 Thread lloyd
But surely, being a libre project that anyone can fork and improve if they  
want to, it's superior design should have encouraged more development and  
attention than Linux so that, over time, it could become more popular and  
complete?


Re: [Trisquel-users] GNU Hurd/ advantages

2014-01-29 Thread LDrumbler
According to Wikipedia, it's not fully developed yet. "The Hurd followed an  
ambitious design which proved unexpectedly difficult to implement and has  
only been marginally usable." (source)


Re: [Trisquel-users] GNU Hurd/ advantages

2014-01-29 Thread shiretoko

Maybe the fact that it's not ready for real usage?


Re: [Trisquel-users] GNU Hurd/ advantages

2014-01-29 Thread lloyd
Sounds fantastic. I wonder what's prevented it from taking off the way Linux  
has?


[Trisquel-users] GNU Hurd/ advantages

2014-01-29 Thread dadix

The GNU Hurd has a number of enticing features:

It's free software, so anybody can use, modify, and redistribute it under the  
terms of the ?GNU General Public License (GPL).


It's compatible as it provides a familiar programming and user environment.  
For all intents and purposes, the Hurd provides the same facilities as a  
modern Unix-like kernel. The Hurd uses the GNU C Library, whose development  
closely tracks standards such as ANSI/ISO, BSD, POSIX, Single Unix, SVID, and  
X/Open.


Unlike other popular kernel software, the Hurd has an object-oriented  
structure that allows it to evolve without compromising its design. This  
structure will help the Hurd undergo major redesign and modifications without  
having to be entirely rewritten.


The Hurd is built in a very modular fashion. Other Unix-like kernels (Linux,  
for example) are also modular in that they allow loading (and unloading) some  
components as kernel modules, but the Hurd goes one step further in that most  
of the components that constitute the whole kernel are running as separate  
user-space processes and are thus using different address spaces that are  
isolated from each other. This is a multi-server design based on a  
microkernel. It is not possible that a faulty memory dereference inside the  
TCP/IP stack can bring down the whole kernel, and thus the whole system,  
which is a real problem in a monolithic Unix kernel architecture.


One advantage of the Hurd's separation of kernel-like functionality into  
separate components (servers) is that these can be constructed using  
different programming languages -- a feature that is not easily possible in a  
monolithic kernel. Essentially, only an interface from the programming  
environment to the RPC mechanism is required. (We have a project proposal for  
this, if you're interested.)


The Hurd is an attractive platform for learning how to become a kernel hacker  
or for implementing new ideas in kernel technology. Every part of the system  
is designed to be easily modified and extended.


It is possible to develop and test new Hurd kernel components without  
rebooting the machine. Running your own kernel components doesn't interfere  
with other users, and so no special system privileges are required. The  
mechanism for kernel extensions is secure by design: it is impossible to  
impose your changes upon other users unless they authorize them or you are  
the system administrator.


The Hurd is real software that works right now. It is not a research project  
or a proposal. You don't have to wait at all before you can start using and  
developing it.