[Trisquel-users] Is foxyproxy libre?
Hi, I'm searching for a libre proxy switching plugin for my browser. I have been using foxyproxy for a long time, but I don't know if it's libre. I found foxyproxy on a Trisquel page: http://trisquel.info/en/browser/addons/foxyproxy-standard-0 However, I read foxy's FAQ: https://getfoxyproxy.org/mozilla/faq.html#hidden and found this: Under what license is FoxyProxy released? The FoxyProxy source code is released under the GPL license. The FoxyProxy name, logo, graphics, art work, website, styles, and documentation are proprietary works and are NOT open-source. So I don't think it a 100% free software. What do you think? Iru
Re: [Trisquel-users] Is foxyproxy libre?
Hi Iru! There are differing views. The FSF is concerned whether the code and documentation are free, so depending on whether the docu is bundled, they might call it free. Ironically the Debian project which distributes proprietary software requires that also media be under free licenses to be placed into Debian main repository. (On the other hand anything goes as long as it's legal to distribute in their non-free repo.) I personally think protecting the name makes sense and I believe there are FSF approved free software licenses which have a clause forbidding the use of the name or another misleading very similar name. Ditto the logo, Mozilla products famously do this, hence e.g. abrowser on Trisquel (and iceweasel on Debian). Not liberating the graphics and especially the documentation are poor choices if you ask me. Perhaps somebody could have a friendly chat with the author. Probably would change nothing however...
Re: [Trisquel-users] Is foxyproxy libre?
> There are differing views. The FSF is concerned whether the code and > documentation are free, so depending on whether the docu is bundled, they > might call it free. Although I use Debian, I actually agree with the FSF line on this issue. It makes sense that *tools* (software, etc.) be free so that society can control the functional components that actually have the potential to be used for good or bad. On the other hand, non-functional components (media, artwork, etc.) I think the author should be able to distribute however they want- they are just data that does nothing by itself, but is actually consumed. Software, on the other hand, is not consumed, it is *used to an end*. To me, this is a rational extension of my views concerning property in general; although I respect personal property (commodities to be consumed) I advocate social ownership of capital- and software is essentially digital capital. It is important that society control it democratically. Is there any particular reason why Debian decided to be so finnicky about insisting on rejecting 'non-free' documentation and media? I'd be interested to know how that happened. In the Debian package collection, games like Alien Arena are bundled in non-free even though the game itself is under the GPL! It's a silly situation where people have to enable the non-free repository to have access to certain software that is actually free- in the same way that OpenMW is packaged in contrib even though it too is GPL- it just requires Morrowind data files, which are non-free. It's only because of Debian's insistence on providing non-free software as a 'service' (read dis-service) to its users that this situation even exists. If I was in charge of Debian, I would have only one repository, which would package only free software- including free software with non-free non-functional data. OpenMW, Alien Arena, etc. would be where they rightly belong- in main.
Re: [Trisquel-users] Is foxyproxy libre?
The game's engine is libre, the data is proprietary. Hence there is no place for that game in the default Debian installation. And it should be that way. I absolutely don't agree with you that non-free data should be included in main. And mind that I am perfectly fine with and and use a lot of non-free data (as all do, some just don't realize it or don't admit it). The mission stated is clearly (it's the first point of the social contract) to keep Debian 100% libre by default: Debian will remain 100% free We provide the guidelines that we use to determine if a work is "free" in the document entitled "The Debian Free Software Guidelines". We promise that the Debian system and all its components will be free according to these guidelines. We will support people who create or use both free and non-free works on Debian. We will never make the system require the use of a non-free component.
Re: [Trisquel-users] Is foxyproxy libre?
Now we'll see how far this goes: For some reason, Alien Arena existed in the Free Software Directory. Actually I was the one who sent to to be reviewed (that is, I didn't approve it, but I was the one who sent it to be evaluated). And, although I don't like the game that much, I remember being very happy when Alien Arena was approved as free software, just like I aways feel when some new free software is approved there (just to give you an idea, I have the news freed for new entries). However, some weeks later, the entry for Alien Arena was suddenly removed. According to what I can recall, the history stated that it was non-free software. I'm not saying that I agree or disagree. I'm just saying that we might as well be careful as to who reviews entries on the Free Software Directory. For the purposes stated in the previous paragraph, I was going to suggest something along the lines of "if the reviewer is working on the Free Software Directory, even if he follows the Debian Free Software Guidelines personally, he has to follow the GNU Free Systems Distribution Guidelines when working on the Free Software Directory". That might seem obvious, but it doesn't really work all the time. Even we, as simple humans, can't manage to let our personal feelings out of our daily work. That is, according to my teacher of human resources management, most researchers usually recommend people to just "wear masks" to try to separate personal feelings from daily work, but that doesn't work well, and will probably blow up worse later on. So, just get the right people that really follow the guidelines we do follow, and we should be o.k. :D
Re: [Trisquel-users] Is foxyproxy libre?
> Debian will remain 100% free Debian is a distribution of free *software*. The Debian project should not concern itself with the issue of free culture, which is an entirely separate issue -or at least it should not take such precedence that free software is rejected due to dependency on non-free artwork. The free software and free culture movements can very well cooperate, but Debian should retain free software as its one and only goal. As long as the software is free- the part that actually matters- it should be accepted in main IMLHO. The rejection of non-free data in main means that in order to access certain free software, users must enable non-free repositories! I chose rather to simply eschew using free software unfortunate enough to fall in non-free, but others might not be so resolute. Very well. I reconsider my position. In light of the ridiculous situation that *there is free software in non-free (!!)* there should in fact be four sections of the Debian repository: main (for free software and free data), fettered (for free software and non-free data), contrib (for free software which depends on packages in non-free) and non-free (for non-free software only (but not data)). This way people who support the FSF line on non-free non-functional data could enable 'fettered' (or whatever it would be called) and use non-free data without actually exposing themselves to non-free software. The way things are currently structured Debian judges non-free non-functional data to be just as bad as non-free software, which is clearly ridiculous.
Re: [Trisquel-users] Is foxyproxy libre?
I kind of agree that there shouldn't be some arbitrary distinction made for inclusion of non-libre cultural works. What's the problem, anyway? So there are some libre software games that aren't in the main repository because they're not libre culture. (But mind, those games are in contrib, not non-free.) All you have to do is get those games from another source. I haven't had any problem doing this with The Ur-Quan Masters on Trisquel.
Re: [Trisquel-users] Is foxyproxy libre?
exactly Onpon. Not in non-free but contrib.
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> Wouldn't there actually be a problem if one wants to, let's say, sell debian dvds? Indeed. > If non-free art is in the free repos or not makes a minor difference. > As long as there is no nonfree _software_ in it.. One important thing to realize, as Calinou pointed out, is that a lot of games' "data" is actually software. Just to give a few examples: - SuperTux's levels can have Lua scripts embedded into them. - Naev has Lua scripts all over its "data" (including missions and events, which are entirely Lua code). - ReTux's "data" includes "timelines", which are sequences of instructions in a specialized mini-language. In the next version (which is coming out soon), it supports basic "if" statements and even supports directly executing Python code, because I've found that trying to prevent these from being programs is futile. - Frogatto's "data" includes a bunch of programs of some type in it's "cfg" files (though I don't know what language it is). - Ren'Py games' "data" include Ren'Py scripts, which are (from my understanding) a superset of Python code. - All point-and-click adventure games (like Flight of the Amazon Queen and Beneath a Steel Sky) include scripts (programs) by necessity, in various languages.
Re: [Trisquel-users] Is foxyproxy libre?
This is perhaps because, either the developers or packagers, don't make
a distinction between functional and non-functional data.
I personally think that functional data should have terms like
"font-${font_name}", "${package_name}-doc", "${package_name}-dev",
"${package_name}-mod-${modification_name}",
"${package_name}-addon-${addon_name}",
"${package_name}-${extension_name}",
"${package_name}-plugin-${plugin_name}", "${package_name}-engine" (if
the package needs third party non-functional data to work, but it should
not depend/recommend/suggest non-shareable non-functional data) or
"${package_name}" if it's the main program.
As for non-functional data, I think it should have names like "-models"
(I'm not sure, but I leave this here if 3D models are considered
non-functional data), "-levels" (id. "-models"),
"${package_name}-sounds", "${package_name}-musics", and
"${package_name}-graphics".
If I missed some particular case, please let me know.
Note however, that I didn't use "${package_name}-data" as I find it too
misleading.
Re: [Trisquel-users] Is foxyproxy libre?
It's not because of packagers that this happens, it's because of us game developers. Mostly because making a strong separation between software and non-functional data can sometimes be very difficult or lead to esoteric designs.
Re: [Trisquel-users] Is foxyproxy libre?
Actually, I would try to simplify things a little more:
* "${package_name}-${addon/extension/mod/plugin_name}" (considering only the
scripts and executables)
*
"${package_name}-${addon/extension/mod/plugin_name}-(graphics|models|musics|sunds)"
(for non-functional data related to the above)
* And of course, the corresponding "-dev", "-doc", "-engine", "-help" (that
is available for viewing through the "Help" menu of a program), "-locale",
"-src", both for "${package_name}" and for the previous three items above.
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