Re: [Trisquel-users] Its time to nominate your free software hero(s)!
viejito you have had my vote since the day one I came here. Best Troll ever!
Re: [Trisquel-users] Its time to nominate your free software hero(s)!
Vote for me as the best "TROLL AWARDEE"
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Yes, we need hardware. And more people like Francis. And more free firmwares, efi, bios...
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So you could explain how is that if I call Richard Stallman a troll (and that's my opinion as you have yours and we can discuss that) and if I call a user of trisquel a troll my messages got hidden by the spammersbegonetool (which its purpose is for spamming) and if someone that belongs to the trisqueltrollsquad like moxalt calls me a troll and his message got +1? You can see the message here http://trisquel.info/en/comment/reply/15505/78649
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What do the programs he wrote has to do anything with me calling him a troll? He is a troll as u can read his posts on GNU social. Period. If you don't like my opinion ,you, member of the trisqueltrollsquad, have the right to not allow others to express themselves. Enjoy it, cause I'll be reporting it.
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I said CLEARLY "Does he program?" Never said he DIDN'T PROGRAM BEFORE. YOU HAD TO READ ONLY 3 SHORT SENTENCES AND YOU DIDN'T. Who needs the medication ? Clearly YOU lembasswholelottaluv Of this plus other shit from members of the trisqueltrollsquad like u and magicbanana I'll taking note to report this as not free of speech on Trisquel forums. Trisqueltrollsquad is not suitable for a moderation program.
Re: [Trisquel-users] Its time to nominate your free software hero(s)!
Rubén Rodríguez Phuk all the others LOL
Re: [Trisquel-users] Its time to nominate your free software hero(s)!
Richard Stallman is a satanic troll. Does he program? I'm pretty sure he forgot howta do it.
Re: [Trisquel-users] Its time to nominate your free software hero(s)!
??? Wait... are you an antiesnob alt?
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Actually, wait, no. I just read your other post. You're far too coherent to be an antiesnob alt :-)
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> Sorry, but I think I did that only in this thread. True. > I'm doing it on purpose simply to show that some 'exclusive' users have the > right to say anything including call someone a troll like moxalt did Cool experiment. You've neglected the fact that acting like a troll (surprise suprise) will get you *treated as a troll*. That's all you've demonstrated, for all your supposed 'free speech' campaign, and the miraculous 'revelation' of the 'conspiracy' behind trisquel-users: the so-called 'trisquel troll squad'. What happened here was that you acted like a troll. You were promptly dealt with as a troll. And since when was I an 'exclusive' user of any kind? I'm a relatively recent addition to the Trisquel community, and not exactly some sort of respected sage or something. Can you end your experiment already, and regain some modicum of the sliver of decency you previously possessed? > I didn't sum up ANY ARGUMENT. True. An actual argument would be welcome, as opposed to making baseless assertions and just generally acting in a very troll-like manner. Then we could just debunk whatever idiotic argument you come up with for your 'experiment' instead of calling troll. > The same users replying to me because of calling Richard Stallman a troll > didn't reply to moxalt's post in which he calls me a troll. That's called democracy. The vast majority of people here (myself included) do not agree that Richard Stallman is a troll. They thus defended rms and attacked your position. On the other hand, it seems the majority consider my 'troll' analysis as valid.
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"though it's nothing that can't be solved by another post that would clear the misunderstanding." No one asked for that. not a single user asked for any argumentation (that I have). "calling people trolls and other names (ad-hominem indeed) and not backing it up is what you often did these days" Sorry, but I think I did that only in this thread. And yes , that's not good but I'm doing it on purpose simply to show that some "exclusive" users have the right to say anything including call someone a troll like moxalt did WHILE there is the majority of users who CANNOT DO SUCH. So, as you say, freedom of speech it's not easy so there are limitations to try to achieve that. In the English trisquel forum those limitation DOES NOT APPLY to users like lembas, onpon4, MagicBanana, moxalt, etc. Thus, it is censure made by themselves. Also, an ad-hominem attack is when you use a human being as an argument (on this case) and I didn't do that. In fact, as MagicBanana said I didn't sum up ANY ARGUMENT. So, there CANNOT be an ad-hominem attack. Simply making statements without an argument doesn't mean you don't have one and the downvotes didn't have any arguments. For example: onpon4 said he doesn't agree with Richard Stallman being a troll. The he sums up an argument of that. However, think what would happened if he wouldn't have summed up an argument... Read it: I DON'T AGREE WITH RICHARD STALLMAN BEEING A TROLL. Is that an ad-hominem attack? Because a positive adjetive/noun is used doesn't mean it is an attack. The same users replying to me because of calling Richard Stallman a troll didn't reply to moxalt's post in which he calls me a troll.
Re: [Trisquel-users] Its time to nominate your free software hero(s)!
Hi, daddy. Are you a troll?
Re: [Trisquel-users] Its time to nominate your free software hero(s)!
I'm not sure Rubén Rodríguez, Francis Rowe, or Richard Stallman are really good candidates for various reasons. RMS is obviously ineligible (or it was to some here anyway). There are a number of other people who deserve recognition for the work they've done including Rubén Rodríguez and Francis Rowe, but I'm skeptical that this award is appropriate for these people. The award has traditionally been given to people who have primarily working on software development. While there is some of that going on within these projects I'm not convinced I'd call it the primary focus. Packaging, removing code, reverse engineering, and similar efforts are worthy of an award, but that's not really primarily software development. I think we need a more general award to recognize a slew of people who are making major contributions, but of whom are not directly working on software development projects. This could include people who are managing distributions (ie building, maintaining, and packaging software, and writing bits of code here and there), spreading free software (in significant ways), advocating for release of code from within (think hardware too), designing chips/laptops/desktops/board that make it possible to run 100% software, and similar. I can think of a dozen people I'd like to nominate and yet I have never nominated anyone as I haven't felt the awards were appropriate to the work they're/were doing. It's my main reason for abstaining. I don't feel that releasing code under a free software license in and of itself is deserving of a free software award. It's important, but it's not everything.
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I totally agree except I still wouldn't call it primarily software development work though. It's why I think there should be another award category. I think reverse engineering and other related work is as if not more important. However I'm not a big fan of that. I'd rather support the people from within who are getting companies to release code. I already know we have a few people here and there which are doing a tremendous amount of good at getting people at the top of particular companies to recognize there is a problem (ie complying with free software licenses and so on) and getting them to understand what needs to be done to solve non-compliance related issues (and/or release source if its not a compliance issue- ie they own the copyrights).
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No one asked for that? You should be the one concerned about bringing clarifications about your statements. Ad-hominem: means responding to arguments by attacking a person's character, rather than addressing the content of their arguments. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ad_hominem Sure, most users (if not all) didn't reply to moxalt calling you a troll. Why, you ask? I don't know your whole posting history, but I can tell that calling names several times in a row (even if only in this thread) and being called a troll isn't incompatible. And believe me, when you'll see a real troll posting here, no one will disagree with you calling him or her a troll. I fail to see an injustice here.
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Reverse engineering is possibly the highest priority the FSF has at the moment. Plus, libreboot is not just about removing blobs, there's also work on automating scripts to make it user-friendly, as well as porting work done upstream at coreboot. IMO it's one of the most important fields of work on free software today. Firmware is our last frontier, and these people are tackling it.
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Funny, your idea of what free speech is reminds me of the crazy lady in this video I saw yesterday: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ivq3Ukpy0Co In fact, moxalt didn't just call you a troll, he included a speculation that you might be a troll given how absurd your post he was responding to was. But even if your narrative was correct, that still wouldn't mean you lack freedom of speech. Freedom of speech doesn't mean freedom from dissent.
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Social networks are inconvenient for me; I don't directly use any. My postings on GNU Social are generated from stallman.org and I write them in emails. - RMS
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agree. We have a lot of free software. We need free hardware or at least hardware that is not backdoored. Rowe it is for me.
Re: [Trisquel-users] Its time to nominate your free software hero(s)!
What about nominating someone from Jitsi, for creating a fully free software WebRTC system we can use to wean people off Skype?
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You're right!
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Its SO hard to chose
Re: [Trisquel-users] Its time to nominate your free software hero(s)!
https://trisquel.info/en/forum/its-time-nominate-your-free-software-heros#comment-78615
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Today, you can see how an OS works, thanks to Richard. Today you can use a fully free OS, thanks to Richard. Today, you have tons of free software, thanks to Richard. Today, you can use a fully fre computer, thanks to Richard and Francis. Today, you can improve your programming, seeing source code of others programs, thanks to Richard. Today, you can improve your programs, seeing how other programs work, thanks to Richard. Yes, Richard did a lot, he defended/defend our freedom, but now he is old, not young, he have his reasons.
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Freedom of speech isn't an easy task: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Freedom_of_speech#Limitations Fortunately, calling people trolls and other names (ad-hominem indeed) and not backing it up is what you often did these days, so I can't say I would defend that. But I can see why you're bothered by the upvote/downvote system without a proper reply though, because it's essentially the same problem. Minus the fact that the majority of downvotes (even without replies) are justified. But I can agree that it's a bad and lazy habit.
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Oh, OK. I was wondering why all the Social Benefit recipients were organisations... :) Thanks.
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And don't forget the fact that he pioneered the concept of copyleft, which uses the principles of copyright law to preserve the right to use, modify and distribute free software. He is also main author of free software licenses which describe those terms, most notably the GNU General Public License, the most widely used free software license. So he not only initiated the efforts to build a completely free operating system (GNU) from scratch, but also dedicated time and resources to preserve free software from getting abused by big corporates/individuals with vested interests. 3 cheers to St. IGNUcius, a saint in the Church of Emacs!!
Re: [Trisquel-users] Its time to nominate your free software hero(s)!
None other than richard stallman himself!
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So you could explain how is that if I call Richard Stallman a troll (and that's my opinion as you have yours and we can discuss that) and if a call a user of trisquel a troll my messages got hidden by the spammersbegonetool (which its purpose is for spamming) and if someone that belongs to the trisqueltrollsquad like moxalt calls me a troll and his message got +1? You can see the message here http://trisquel.info/en/comment/reply/15505/78649 There's only free of speech in the Trisquel English forum for the members of the trisqueltrollsquad (onpon4, magicbanana, moxalt, Sup3rTramp, lembas, plus others). This doesn't happen on the Spanish forum because the only member of the trisqueltrollsquad there is sup3rtramp If you want to sum any arguments against an idea or another argument you click on reply. Period. If you hid the message that your replying means youre censorship it and also others users can't see to WHAT are you replying at. So that means you're only trying to impose your argument/idea.
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In if helps, please keep in mind that the awards are very different. The Advancement of Free Software award is given to a single person that "who has made a great contribution to the progress and development of free software, through activities that accord with the spirit of free software": https://www.fsf.org/awards/fs-award The Free Software Award for Projects of Social Benefit is given to a project or, not a person for "applying free software, or the ideas of the free software movement, in a project that intentionally and significantly benefits society in other aspects of life." To help draw some contrast and help explain the differences further, consider this: The first winner of the The Advancement of Free Software award was Theo de Raadt for his work on free software: OpenBSD and OpenSSH. The first winner of the Free Software Award for Projects of Social Benefit was Wikipedia. Wikipedia uses free software but their focus is outside of free software (to help human knowledge by making a free encyclopedia i.e. "a project that intentionally and significantly benefits society ***in other aspects of life.***") And so, Rubén and Francis would be eligible for the Advancement of Free Software award but not the the Free Software Award for Projects of Social Benefit because their focus isn't outside of free software like, say, Wikipedia is. Hope this helps keeps things straight. :)
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Thumbs up 4 u [°|°] |A|
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I said CLEARLY "Does he program?" Never said he DIDN'T PROGRAM BEFORE. YOU HAD TO READ ONLY 3 SHORT SENTENCES AND YOU DIDN'T. Who needs the medication ? Clearly YOU lembasswholelottaluv Of this plus other shit from members of the trisqueltrollsquad like u and magicbanana I'll taking note to report this as not free of speech on Trisquel forums. Trisqueltrollsquad is not suitable for a moderation program.
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What do the programs he wrote has to do anything with me calling him a troll? He is a troll as u can read his posts on GNU social. Period. If you don't like my opinion ,you, member of the trisqueltrollsquad, have the right to not allow others to express themselves. Enjoy it, cause I'll be reporting it.
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You got it in the wrong way, dude. Current FSF staff and board members, as well as award committee members, are not eligible. So you cannot have Richard M Stallman as a nominee. Well, I was impressed by Francis for the Libreboot Project and Paul for the Replicant Project; In fact Ruben is also an eligible candidate since he is involved in the development and maintenance of GNU IceCat along with the Trisquel GNU/Linux project. So I'm really confused; They all are doing an excellent job!! Picking one is a real challenge for me.
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I don't agree with all of RMS's views, but that doesn't mean he's a "troll". It means he's a human who, like all other humans, has a complex set of beliefs.
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This is such a difficult decision- I'm tied between Ruben and Francis. A question- would advancing the Trisquel GNU+Linux distribution be considered for the Advancement of Free Software (self-explanatory) or Social Benefit (putting a really high quality free-as-in-freedom distribution into the hands of consumers in the name of the FSF)? I can't really see either being possibly construed as for Social Benefit, looking at the past award winners and nominees, so I'm tied between either Trisquel (Ruben) or Minifree (Francis Rowe) for the Advancement of FS award.
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What. The. Fuck. I never expected this from you, contactame+antiesnob. Have you finally snapped? Has someone hacked your account? Or were you a closet troll all along?
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I voted for Francis Rowe, the comrade behind Libreboot and Minifree :)
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Probably Paul Kocialkowski- what he and the other Replicant developers are doing is vital to the free software movement.
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Rubén Rodríguez Phuk all the others LOL
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Francis did the most important things for use some laptops fully free.
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Richard Stallman, and Francis Rowe. Thanks to Francis, everyone can have a computer without proprietary BIOS/EFI (I hate it).
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Take your medication and do some reading before making statements like that.
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Richard Stallman is a satanic troll. Does he program? I'm pretty sure he forgot howta do it.
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I voted for rms
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Same!
[Trisquel-users] Its time to nominate your free software hero(s)!
FSF is inviting nominations for the 18th annual Free Software Awards opened at LibrePlanet 2015, right after the most recent Free Software Awards were presented[1]. This is a great opportunity to publicly recognize people and projects that have inspired you. Send your nominations to award-nominati...@gnu.org by November 1st, 2015 at 23:59 UTC. Source(s):- [1] http://www.fsf.org/blogs/community/who-is-improving-the-world-through-free-software-nominate-them-now
