Re: [Trisquel-users] Lenovo T-61 too old for Belenos?
I'm not asking you to start over but if you ever want/need to (which I doubt will happen, but anyway) perhaps a Netinstall or Debootstrap will serve you. (Debootstrap will probably require a lot of learning, though)(And Netinstall might involve a network cable, or perhaps USB tethering, for the first steps during and after netinstall, while Debootstrap can be done from a LiveCD), After the base install, install xorg, trisquel-base, a desktop environment (LXDE, XFCE, etc), and a DM (LightDM, LXDM, GDM, etc) with apt-get.
Re: [Trisquel-users] Lenovo T-61 too old for Belenos?
I've been playing around with netinstalls on Gnome-boxes and then with my minimalist distraction-free netbook that is deliberately command line only and I don't think I'll do a clean install any other way again. A lot of my distro-hopping was completely unnecessary and nothing more than various customizations for specific hardware or specific usage that I'm perfectly capable of doing myself. Debootstrap scares and intimidates me right now but that's why I absolutely HAVE to have virtualization that works on my big desktop: it is SO much easier to learn new things when the consequences of failure are just shrugging, sending a file to the trash, and opening a browser window to google up what went wrong. :) I didn't put gvfs on my netbook yet. I bet that's the problem with pmount.
Re: [Trisquel-users] Lenovo T-61 too old for Belenos?
:) One tiny, though: I don't think I'll do a clean install any other way again. There's the wonder of Debootstrapping(followed by Chrooting). Though the only practical thing it's got going for it on an OS-less PC is that you can perform an installation whilst doing other things with the same computer (like listening to music, using LibreOffice, etc) from the Live CD/USB. If you want to install a 2nd OS onto the computer you can use debootstrap from the OS on it and not need a flash drive, CD, etc. Oh, and it doesn't need to involve a Virtual machine, just a directory (preferably an empty partition mounted to one since you probably want to be able to boot to it).
Re: [Trisquel-users] Lenovo T-61 too old for Belenos?
OP here with an update--might as well stick to Heather for a username since I've already outed myself as a middle aged low-socioeconomic status female and not been flamed off the boards. My T-61 is now running Belenos natively just fine and is only slightly less zippy than it was with Toutatis. It will not boot to a live CD or USB stick, but it surprised me by booting to a USB install. I have no idea what was going through my head when I plugged it in and hit the power button, but I rebooted into Toutatis, clicked on upgrade to 7.0 on the update manager, and everything's fine now so this thread shouldn't stay on the forums to unnecessarily discourage anyone. If you are reading this after Toutatis' EOL or are otherwise unable to get your hands on a 6.0 install .iso, you could take the hard drive out of your T-61 and run the installer on a different machine or use Clonezilla. It's definitely not over for these laptops, and there are still a bunch of them with Coreboot floating around.
Re: [Trisquel-users] Lenovo T-61 too old for Belenos?
As I've said above, though, unsupported is different from impossible to use:)
Re: [Trisquel-users] Lenovo T-61 too old for Belenos?
I get a black screen and can't even run live. It looks like a video card issue to me, but somebody more knowledgeable would have to confirm or deny my suspicions. I had to change the default video card on Aquemu to see the cursor on Triskel. This is a separate issue than the kernel problem I was having with Toutatis, since the pre-release of Triskel shipped with 3.13 and the lappy is back to it's old self with 3.14. I understand that mini may not be a priority for the developers so it might be worth another try with the official release and I do have an old CRT monitor I could use to try the trick in the article. Hardware is much less expensive these days, but money is not always the only motivation for keeping older machines useful and out of landfills. I'm certainly up for stretching my knowledge a bit and doing some research and some tinkering if anyone can point me in the right direction. I fell completely in love with Brigantia when I decided it was time to move to a FSF endorsed distro, but waited for a LTS before taking the plunge. I believe I have years, rather than months, before Toutatis is unsupported but I can't seem to find the page with the exact date right now.
Re: [Trisquel-users] Lenovo T-61 too old for Belenos?
Most likely, Toutatis will become unsupported some time in April 2017.
Re: [Trisquel-users] Lenovo T-61 too old for Belenos?
Anyway, what problem did you exactly have with Belenos? Is it simply that the LiveCD underutilises your RAM (which in that case I think I recall another distro in which its Live CD would see less RAM than there actually is, but everything becomes fine once the OS is installed). And having searched for Ubuntu trusty lenovo t61 problems this result might interest you http://askubuntu.com/questions/459733/ubuntu-14-04-does-not-run-on-ibm-thinkpad-t61
Re: [Trisquel-users] Lenovo T-61 too old for Belenos?
Does it remain black screen? I believe that's what happens with some radeons. Don't know if there is a workaround. You can find out your hardware with thelspcicommand.
Re: [Trisquel-users] Lenovo T-61 too old for Belenos?
Here's a workaround (not the world's best, though): When Toutatis reaches EOL, change the repository entries in /etc/apt/sources.list to http://oldarchive.trisquel.info/trisquel toutatis main (and of course, do the same for toutatis-security and toutatis-updates) since the Toutatis contents of archive.trisquel.info would be moved there by then. You won't get any updates then, though, and I don't think packages will be patched, etc. That's why I said that it isn't the world's best. (Anyway I'm typing this from a newly installed and updated Trisquel Dagda) Still, as lembas said, I think you should first run lspci and post the results here.
Re: [Trisquel-users] Lenovo T-61 too old for Belenos?
Yep, I get a black screen and can't even run live off the USB stick. :( Here's lspci: noordinaryspider@ThinkPad-T61:~$ lspci 00:00.0 Host bridge: Intel Corporation Mobile PM965/GM965/GL960 Memory Controller Hub (rev 0c) 00:02.0 VGA compatible controller: Intel Corporation Mobile GM965/GL960 Integrated Graphics Controller (primary) (rev 0c) 00:02.1 Display controller: Intel Corporation Mobile GM965/GL960 Integrated Graphics Controller (secondary) (rev 0c) 00:19.0 Ethernet controller: Intel Corporation 82566MM Gigabit Network Connection (rev 03) 00:1a.0 USB controller: Intel Corporation 82801H (ICH8 Family) USB UHCI Controller #4 (rev 03) 00:1a.1 USB controller: Intel Corporation 82801H (ICH8 Family) USB UHCI Controller #5 (rev 03) 00:1a.7 USB controller: Intel Corporation 82801H (ICH8 Family) USB2 EHCI Controller #2 (rev 03) 00:1b.0 Audio device: Intel Corporation 82801H (ICH8 Family) HD Audio Controller (rev 03) 00:1c.0 PCI bridge: Intel Corporation 82801H (ICH8 Family) PCI Express Port 1 (rev 03) 00:1c.1 PCI bridge: Intel Corporation 82801H (ICH8 Family) PCI Express Port 2 (rev 03) 00:1c.2 PCI bridge: Intel Corporation 82801H (ICH8 Family) PCI Express Port 3 (rev 03) 00:1c.3 PCI bridge: Intel Corporation 82801H (ICH8 Family) PCI Express Port 4 (rev 03) 00:1c.4 PCI bridge: Intel Corporation 82801H (ICH8 Family) PCI Express Port 5 (rev 03) 00:1d.0 USB controller: Intel Corporation 82801H (ICH8 Family) USB UHCI Controller #1 (rev 03) 00:1d.1 USB controller: Intel Corporation 82801H (ICH8 Family) USB UHCI Controller #2 (rev 03) 00:1d.2 USB controller: Intel Corporation 82801H (ICH8 Family) USB UHCI Controller #3 (rev 03) 00:1d.7 USB controller: Intel Corporation 82801H (ICH8 Family) USB2 EHCI Controller #1 (rev 03) 00:1e.0 PCI bridge: Intel Corporation 82801 Mobile PCI Bridge (rev f3) 00:1f.0 ISA bridge: Intel Corporation 82801HEM (ICH8M-E) LPC Interface Controller (rev 03) 00:1f.1 IDE interface: Intel Corporation 82801HM/HEM (ICH8M/ICH8M-E) IDE Controller (rev 03) 00:1f.2 SATA controller: Intel Corporation 82801HM/HEM (ICH8M/ICH8M-E) SATA Controller [AHCI mode] (rev 03) 00:1f.3 SMBus: Intel Corporation 82801H (ICH8 Family) SMBus Controller (rev 03) 03:00.0 Network controller: Intel Corporation PRO/Wireless 3945ABG [Golan] Network Connection (rev 02) 15:00.0 CardBus bridge: Ricoh Co Ltd RL5c476 II (rev ba) 15:00.1 FireWire (IEEE 1394): Ricoh Co Ltd R5C832 IEEE 1394 Controller (rev 04) 16:00.0 Network controller: Qualcomm Atheros AR5416 Wireless Network Adapter [AR5008 802.11(a)bgn] (rev 01) noordinaryspider@ThinkPad-T61:~$ ^C This is a workhorse, but not my only workhorse, so I greatly appreciate David's advice on keeping her out of the landfill and usable for some, but not all, of my day to day life needs. Of course I fixed grub this morning so it would boot straight to 3.14 without holding down the shift key. Even I am not that lazy. ;) Triskel is actually running quite nicely in Aqemu on my (family's shared) desktop now. I'm not a huge fan of KDE4, but LXDE installed just fine and I can live with that so I have my playtoy now even though it's virtual and not physical. ;) After a good night's sleep, I think the biggest problem is my ego. I'm in a different place in life than I was ten years ago when I enjoyed being an early adaptor. The laptop isn't the only one who's getting old, and I'm probably better off accepting the gifts of time and expertise that Rueben, Jason, and the rest of you are offering me. My own energies might be better spent on the forums answering those time consuming newbie questions that can get repetitive, but are only boring if you don't allow yourself to see the unique, individual human stories behind each outwardly identical post. So many of my contemporaries are at a place where they reply to my own simple questions with, My son told me to tell you to tell your son to just buy you an iPad. At least I don't live in that world. :D Thank you for taking the time to answer my questions in a respectful manner that will help me to stay free.
[Trisquel-users] Lenovo T-61 too old for Belenos?
Still no luck. I'm trying to install mini from a USB stick and the RAM is maxed out at 2 gigs. It won't boot to a 3.15 kernel with 6.0.1 so I have to hold down the shift key and choose an older kernel. Is there a workaround or is it time for a new laptop when Toutatis reaches EOL? TIA
